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| ayoung | rcrit, OK, so I got everything setup on my system, and the deploy goes without an error, but no registration. I wonder if I am missing a setup step? | 14:13 |
| rcrit | you'd need to look at the logs to know | 14:13 |
| rcrit | cloud-init.log on the instance, /var/log/novajoin/* on undercloud | 14:14 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, you sure? I don't think I have that log | 14:15 |
| rcrit | which log? | 14:15 |
| ayoung | $ sudo ls /var/log/novajoin | 14:15 |
| ayoung | novajoin-notify.log novajoin-server.log | 14:15 |
| ayoung | Oh...misread | 14:15 |
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| ayoung | I thought you meant cloud-init.log on underclouid....OK, gonna run it again, see what I get. | 14:16 |
| ayoung | rcrit, what is the thing about meta-data and the glance image? I saw that alee was adding it in the create server call | 14:16 |
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| rcrit | it won't prevent an enrollment, that is only for setting an image to always enroll | 14:17 |
| ayoung | rcrit, but if it is not there, we need to pass it as an additional var on the create? | 14:17 |
| rcrit | yes | 14:17 |
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| rcrit | well, it completely depends on what version of novajoin you have | 14:17 |
| rcrit | and the current version is somewhat broken, regardless of which one you have | 14:18 |
| ayoung | rcrit, installed over the weekend... | 14:18 |
| ayoung | lets' see | 14:18 |
| rcrit | it's not when, it's what build you have | 14:18 |
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| rcrit | and there is no way to tell from version number, unfortunately | 14:18 |
| rcrit | I'm going to do a new spin today just not before an afternoon of meetings I fear | 14:18 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, that is OK. I think I have another fire to fight anyway. It seems Keystone broke Tripleo last Friday | 14:19 |
| rcrit | We found an issue with caching on Friday due to ironic pinging the metadata service | 14:19 |
| ayoung | rcrit, so, once I bring up an instance, can I use curl to hit the metadata server and see the OTP/IPA info? | 14:20 |
| rcrit | yes but the otp probably won't work | 14:20 |
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| ayoung | I see that we set a Namespace in the Nova conf, how does that translate to the URL for metadata? | 14:20 |
| rcrit | it doesn't | 14:21 |
| rcrit | the URL is set by nova based on release | 14:21 |
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| rcrit | this is NEWTON, 2016-10-06 and the file is vendor_data2.json | 14:21 |
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| ayoung | So what URL do I use to see the IPA data, to confirm it is exposed? | 14:23 |
| rcrit | http://169.254.169.254/openstack/2016-10-06/vendor_data2.json | 14:23 |
| jroll | I'd like to note that ironic uses a thing called ironic-python-agent for deployments, commonly abbreviated as IPA. and when ironic and (IPA meaning freeIPA) are discussed at the same time it's super confusing :) | 14:24 |
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| rcrit | freeIPA Is older :-) | 14:26 |
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| jroll | yeah, just pointing it out because I'm wondering why/what IPA data would be available at a certain url :) | 14:28 |
| ayoung | rcrit, Oh, yeah, that has been messing me up all along | 14:28 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, when the ipa command line is installed, it is really going to throw people for a loop | 14:29 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, OK, so the cloud-init log does not seem to have anything join specific in it. THe meta data is available at the url you posted | 14:30 |
| ayoung | and the server is not enrolled | 14:30 |
| jroll | ayoung: that shouldn't trip people up, ironic-PA doesn't run in the instance, only during deployment (also, the cli command for it is ironic-python-agent, not ipa) | 14:30 |
| ayoung | jroll, I think you underestimate the ability we have to confund and confuse | 14:31 |
| rcrit | ayoung, what metadata do you see, an otp and hostname? | 14:31 |
| ayoung | rcrit, http://paste.openstack.org/show/567179/ | 14:31 |
| rcrit | there's no ipa stuff in there, just the cloud-init script | 14:32 |
| ayoung | let me see what is in /root/setup-ipa-client.sh | 14:32 |
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| ayoung | s: cannot access /root/setup-ipa-client.sh: No such file or directory | 14:32 |
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| ayoung | So nothing is triggering that | 14:33 |
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| ayoung | $ sudo crudini --get /etc/nova/nova.conf DEFAULT vendordata_providers | 14:33 |
| ayoung | StaticJSON, DynamicJSON | 14:33 |
| rcrit | I'm not familiar with jq but your cloud-init script looks wrong too, it should not have real LF | 14:33 |
| ayoung | rcrit, jq just does the formatting. Without it I have... | 14:34 |
| rcrit | don't paste it, if you have something with \n that's fine | 14:34 |
| rcrit | you'd need to look at cloud-init logs, that isn't something I control | 14:34 |
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| ayoung | http://paste.openstack.org/show/567181/ | 14:34 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, cloud-init log has little in it: http://paste.openstack.org/show/567182/ | 14:35 |
| ayoung | ouytput log roughly the same | 14:35 |
| rcrit | dunno, maybe cloud-init-output.log | 14:36 |
| rcrit | it may blow up if it can't get to the net to install the packages | 14:36 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, missing the glance step | 14:36 |
| rcrit | it doesn't matter | 14:36 |
| ayoung | it did not complain, but it also did not get uploaded | 14:36 |
| rcrit | just specify the ipa_enroll=True property when you create the instance | 14:37 |
| jroll | does cloud-init continue looking for other data sources, or stop after the first one? | 14:37 |
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| rcrit | good question, I don't know | 14:37 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, jroll http://paste.openstack.org/show/567183/ | 14:37 |
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| rcrit | ok, config drive doesn't work in CentOS | 14:38 |
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| rcrit | you need cloud init 0.7.6+ | 14:38 |
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| ayoung | ugh | 14:38 |
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| ayoung | $ rpmquery cloud-init | 14:38 |
| ayoung | cloud-init-0.7.5-10.el7.centos.1.x86_64 | 14:38 |
| jroll | that'll do it | 14:38 |
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| ayoung | we have a way to update? | 14:39 |
| rcrit | RHEL has it so you could grab that package and update the image | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed openstack/governance: Add networking-cisco back into the Big Tent https://review.openstack.org/363709 | 14:39 |
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| alee | rcrit, ayoung the other option to having a cache for nova-join is to do some kind of force- host -add , so that the last access to the metadata always wins | 18:45 |
| ayoung | alee ++ I like that better anyway | 18:46 |
| rcrit | alee, it would have to be a host_mod to reset the OTP | 18:47 |
| rcrit | possible if we have to | 18:47 |
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| rcrit | it is just odd to fetch the metadata multiple times IMHO and not trust the result | 18:48 |
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| alee | ayoung, rcrit - well its not that we dont trust the result, as much as we're worried about scaling and multiple controllers .. | 18:49 |
| rcrit | yeah, we'll see what happens. I'll add the cache for now | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, catch the error and call host mod IFF the join was never done? | 18:50 |
| rcrit | there are lots of ways to do it, that just seems reactive to a bad symptom | 18:50 |
| alee | rcrit, agreed - the long term fix is probably to cache the metadata in nova, but thats unlikely to happen .. | 18:52 |
| rcrit | there is a lot to think about with the caching too: permissions, SELinux, etc. | 18:53 |
| rcrit | e.g. right now I have it in /var/run/nova which doesn't survive reboots (on most systems anyway) | 18:53 |
| alee | rcrit, right - which is why I'm more inclined to the last access wins approach .. | 18:54 |
| alee | rcrit, no state required .. | 18:54 |
| rcrit | I just need to ponder the implications | 18:55 |
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| alee | rcrit, yup -let me know when you have a build I can test - either way is ok for me to continue testing | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add tag for devstack plugins https://review.openstack.org/366301 | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Add tag for tempest plugins https://review.openstack.org/366302 | 19:19 |
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| mtreinish | EmilienM: ^^^ you asked for that right? Sorry it took me so long to get around to that | 19:20 |
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| rcrit | alee, try 1.0.2 at https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rcritten/novajoin/packages/ | 19:31 |
| rcrit | glance metadata should add now, it has caching, it should configure more of nova.conf and it does the transport_url in join.conf | 19:31 |
| alee | rcrit, will do - thanks -- this is with cache? | 19:31 |
| rcrit | some of this is relatively untested | 19:31 |
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| alee | rcrit, so I shoudl re-run the install script? | 19:32 |
| rcrit | I don't think you have to | 19:32 |
| rcrit | just FYI | 19:32 |
| rcrit | it should also create /var/run/nova | 19:32 |
| alee | ok | 19:32 |
| rcrit | yeah, I think if you just update the pkg and restart the services you should be good | 19:32 |
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| alee | rcrit, the package requires openstack-config -- which is not a package I think | 19:35 |
| alee | rcrit, openstack-utils ? | 19:35 |
| rcrit | bah, yeah | 19:35 |
| rcrit | install with no deps and it should still work, be sure ipa-admintools is installed | 19:35 |
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| alee | rcrit, ayoung latest build works for manually created server | 19:50 |
| rcrit | woo | 19:50 |
| alee | rcrit, now trying controllers .. | 19:50 |
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| alee | rcrit, interesting .. it appears for some reason the ipa delete did not succeed for controller when I tore the stack down .. | 19:55 |
| rcrit | check the notify log | 19:55 |
| alee | yup checking | 19:56 |
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| alee | rcrit, yeah -- exception .. | 19:57 |
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| rcrit | gah | 19:57 |
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| rcrit | can you paste? | 19:57 |
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| alee | rcrit, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/423116/73191882/ | 19:58 |
| alee | rcrit, NameError: global name 'uuidcache' is not defined | 19:58 |
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| rcrit | yeah, I forgot the self | 19:58 |
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| rcrit | alee building in copr now | 20:01 |
| alee | rcrit, cool -- I modified manually in the meantime | 20:02 |
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| alee | rcrit, just waiting for my stack to complete so I can blow it away and try again | 20:02 |
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| rcrit | alee ok, 1.0.2-2, and the Requires should be fixed now too | 20:04 |
| ayoung | rcrit, alee any reason I can't just yum update, but would need to reinstall? | 20:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack/governance: Add missing deb repo 1/5 https://review.openstack.org/366319 | 20:04 |
| rcrit | ayoung, you've probably already manually done everything you need to do | 20:04 |
| rcrit | I don't know that it would _hurt_ at this point | 20:04 |
| rcrit | I'll need to blow everything away eventually and do a scratch install to verify | 20:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add 'library convergence' to Requirements mission https://review.openstack.org/363502 | 20:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/governance: Mention where the metric rules are defined/used https://review.openstack.org/342225 | 20:17 |
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| EmilienM | mtreinish: oh wow | 20:23 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: really cool | 20:23 |
| EmilienM | mtreinish: thanks | 20:23 |
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| rcrit | ayoung, strangely cloud-init 0.7.5-10 works in my tripleo install | 20:36 |
| rcrit | and force config drive is True in nova.conf | 20:36 |
| rcrit | curious | 20:36 |
| rcrit | ah, DataSourceOpenStack | 20:36 |
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| rcrit | it is the ConfigDrive datasource that doesn't work so hot | 20:37 |
| ayoung | rcrit, just updated an testing the later version anyway | 20:37 |
| ayoung | openstack overcloud image upload --update-existing | 20:37 |
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| rcrit | in my testing so far I've used a vanilla CentOS7 qcow2 | 20:38 |
| rcrit | are you using overcloud-full? | 20:39 |
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| ayoung | yeah, but I updated with | 20:40 |
| ayoung | virt-customize -a overcloud-full.qcow2 --install http://download.eng.bos.redhat.com/brewroot/packages/cloud-init/0.7.6/9.el7/x86_64/cloud-init-0.7.6-9.el7.x86_64.rpm | 20:40 |
| ayoung | gotta got get kids... | 20:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack/governance: Add missing deb repo 2/5 https://review.openstack.org/366336 | 20:54 |
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| annegentle | I want to know mtreinish 's question's answer too | 21:01 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: ok, so we only have 3.5 days in Barcelona | 21:01 |
| sdague | ttx: do you have the schedule google doc? | 21:01 |
| sdague | that made this much clearer for me | 21:01 |
| * flaper87 wants that link too | 21:01 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:01 |
| ttx | so we juggle a bit | 21:01 |
| mtreinish | ttx: oh, it's only 3.5 days where does the first half go? | 21:01 |
| sdague | I didn't understand what was going on until I saw that over your shoulder | 21:01 |
| ttx | Ops summit | 21:02 |
| ttx | ok, let me publish that somewhere | 21:02 |
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| anteaya | mtreinish: the monday is a holiday | 21:02 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: the summit is 4 days not 5 this time | 21:02 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: sure, I understood it was 4 days vs 5 | 21:02 |
| anteaya | mornings on days 1 and 2 are keynotes | 21:02 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: okay | 21:02 |
| ttx | yes, and we still want to not overlap with ops stuff | 21:02 |
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| sdague | anyway, my point is many people complained a lot last time that they didn't get much out of their xp sessions. So, I'd rather do fewer ones that we think will produce results, than keep all the slots | 21:03 |
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| annegentle | sdague yeah I think fewer is fin | 21:03 |
| annegentle | fine even | 21:03 |
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| rockyg | maybe double slots for the ones that need more discussion? | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | real cross project has lots of moving parts to nail down. | 21:04 |
| sdague | rockyg: sometimes they do, but if most of that isn't nailed down before you get into the room, they rarely gain traction there | 21:05 |
| ttx | mtreinish: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3glpzd35r5fmux/layout.pdf?dl=0 | 21:05 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: so tehe ops stuff takes half of Tuesday | 21:05 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: ah, ok thanks. That gives me a clear picture of the situtation and the proposal now | 21:05 |
| rockyg | well, I could see a double session for how to achive convergence on handling thirdparty drivers | 21:05 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: the other critical bit is that contributors meetup doesn't start until 2pm on Friday | 21:06 |
| ttx | mtreinish: we run cross project workshops from Tuesday mid-afternoon an Wednesday mid-afternoon | 21:06 |
| ttx | then regular session up to Friday noon | 21:06 |
| ttx | then "contributor meetup" on Friday afternoon only | 21:06 |
| ttx | instead of full day | 21:06 |
| ttx | we have a lot more rooms on Friday than on other days | 21:06 |
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| ttx | (the red in the diagram is when we don't have the room for us) | 21:07 |
| sdague | ttx: we should make sure that get messaged to people soon, a lot of folks tend to peel off on friday | 21:07 |
| ttx | That was communicated to PTLs | 21:07 |
| ttx | sdague: and that was part of the discussion they had with their teams on their space requests | 21:08 |
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| * mtreinish won't be there on friday | 21:08 | |
| sdague | ok, I was just thinking how sparse the Friday afternoon tends to be (re: Austin, Tokyo, Vancouver) | 21:08 |
| ttx | mtreinish: so that purple line on Wednesday afternoon is the 7th cross-project workshop slot, which I'd like to shift to normal sessions | 21:09 |
| sdague | lots of folks make travel arrangments to not stay Friday | 21:09 |
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| ttx | sdague: given that the summit starts on a Tuesday, that's a bit silly, but meh | 21:09 |
| sdague | ttx: same thing happened in tokyo. | 21:10 |
| ttx | if you decide to only stay 3 days, you shouldn't expect to have 4 days of content | 21:10 |
| ttx | but yes, I'd have preferred if that had been Mon-Thu, I blame religion | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ttx: I'm not sure that's what people were expecting. But there is also just an assumption that Friday would be what Friday was | 21:11 |
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| ttx | oh well, short cycle anyway | 21:11 |
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| ttx | I'll just feel very alone in those 25+ rooms we have on Friday :) | 21:12 |
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| sdague | heh | 21:12 |
| sdague | what I'm trying to say is... the schedule caught me by surprise. I was staying until Sat anyway, but it still caught me by surprise. So it will probably surprise others. | 21:13 |
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| ttx | on another note, I'm kind of happy that it's the last one. Those are a effing pain to set up | 21:13 |
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| ttx | Maybe I placed too much trust in PTL communication. I know a lot of them advised their team to stay on Friday. But then some people booked travel the day the thing was announced a year ago | 21:15 |
| jroll | ttx: for a data point, I communicated it to the team, and a handful of people said they already booked to leave friday :( | 21:18 |
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| persia | Some folk are required to book travel very far in advance: I missed a summit due to not having organised sufficient budget for it in the prior fiscal year, and I suspect others may be affiliated with organisations like that which I had hoped would sponsor me that time. | 21:20 |
| ttx | jroll: yes, no matter how early we would communicate, if people plan to skip a day you can't prevent them | 21:21 |
| ttx | jroll: food for thoughts | 21:21 |
| jroll | yep | 21:22 |
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| anteaya | rockyg: I don't expect any amount of time or space will result in convergence on third party drivers | 22:02 |
| anteaya | rockyg: i've spent 3 years in the space and there has never been anything that I have witnessed coming close to convergence | 22:03 |
| anteaya | the only thing I have seen that works is a project decides what it wants and tells the vendors this is the way they will accept the drivers | 22:04 |
| anteaya | do it or don't be accepted | 22:04 |
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| rockyg | anteaya, yes, but Cinder (with a lot of help from you) manged it. I think the convergence is to come up with a process modeled on what Cinder did to be the foundation for all other projects with third party drivers. | 22:30 |
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| rockyg | And that's where the cross-project meeting comes in. What is common across all projects and what is customizable because it's needed to account for technology differences | 22:31 |
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| rockyg | anteaya, actually, cinder didn' | 22:33 |
| rockyg | t mange it, but they did manage it :-) | 22:33 |
| anteaya | well the thing is neutron | 22:33 |
| anteaya | they dealt with vendors first, they have more than any other project | 22:33 |
| anteaya | someone saying 'be like cinder' is not going to work with neutron | 22:34 |
| anteaya | totally different paths | 22:34 |
| rockyg | Yeah. So then it becomes what does the thirdparty CI look like and what tests must each pass. | 22:34 |
| anteaya | well neutron has made ci optional | 22:34 |
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| anteaya | they did that about 2 years ago | 22:34 |
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| anteaya | so you don't even have a consistent foundation around testing expectations | 22:35 |
| anteaya | that was in vancouver, so in the L release | 22:35 |
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| rockyg | So, it may be that a separate set of tests has to be created to validate conformity to neutron apis. And maybe Neutron will need to evolve stricter requirements for the drivers. I don't know, but it's worth a corss project discussion | 22:35 |
| anteaya | so before you can standardize on what tests must pass you first have to standarize on testing has to exist, and we don't have that | 22:36 |
| anteaya | sure you can discuss it | 22:36 |
| anteaya | I won't be at summit | 22:36 |
| anteaya | someone can share the highlights with me | 22:36 |
| rockyg | Here's a question also for you anteaya ... Should there be thirdparty CI for Trove? | 22:36 |
| anteaya | but regardless of how much time you allot I don't expect convergence | 22:37 |
| anteaya | that is up to trove | 22:37 |
| anteaya | infra simply has requirements for what a ci needs to do to keep a gerrit account active | 22:37 |
| rockyg | Lucky you for this particular issue. You can just read the recap. Maybe requiring vendors to write the test set based on a driver test spec? | 22:37 |
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| anteaya | what trove wants from their third party ci is up to trove | 22:37 |
| anteaya | sure, you can require vendors to do whatever | 22:38 |
| anteaya | wear blue hats | 22:38 |
| anteaya | who is going to follow up and ensure it happens | 22:38 |
| anteaya | and what is the consequence if they don't? | 22:38 |
| anteaya | what you want them to do is entirely different than what you are willing to enforce | 22:39 |
| anteaya | vendors as a group only pay attention to what you enforce | 22:39 |
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| rockyg | That's what the in-tree/out-of-tree thing with Cinder helps with. At least some vendors are getting much better at responding to inquiries and monitoring their thirdparty CIs because of it. | 22:40 |
| rockyg | Yeah, not all of them. But *some* are getting better | 22:40 |
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| anteaya | oh yes indivdually some vendors are stellar | 22:41 |
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| anteaya | a complete joy to be around every interaction and great contributors to the community | 22:42 |
| anteaya | but the convergence you invoke would apply to all vendors | 22:42 |
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| anteaya | not just those who want to play nice | 22:42 |
| anteaya | I have to go for a walk now | 22:42 |
| rockyg | I've gotta run, but anteaya, you've done so much to make the thirdparty CI a real thing and so much to move Neutron closer to it, that you should feel good whenever anyone even suggests Neutron *could* make it work. | 22:42 |
| anteaya | pleasure to chat | 22:42 |
| rockyg | The same. Take care and enjoy your waok. | 22:43 |
| rockyg | walk | 22:43 |
| anteaya | thank you | 22:43 |
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| jgriffith | dtroyer: or sdague either of you around for a grenade question? | 23:06 |
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| clayg | sc68cal_: hey! I'm struggling to reconcile your comment on patch 364203 with your comment on patch 364236? | 23:37 |
| clayg | sc68cal_: err.. at least I'm taking from https://launchpad.net/~scollins that's you? :D | 23:37 |
| clayg | sc68cal_: it sounds like you want that whole section related to the Neutron f | 23:37 |
| clayg | ... "fixed" | 23:37 |
| clayg | but I dont' really know anything about that? I'm just trying to get the default value that used to be in the docs back in there - I didn't change anything else | 23:38 |
| clayg | worse - i'm not competent to speak authorativly on the other changes that have been suggested? | 23:38 |
| clayg | I tried to compromise by moving them out to a follow up change - but you want me to do both in the first one that fixes the thing I care about? | 23:39 |
| clarkb | clayg: until relatively recently nova network was still the default used by devstack hence that extra bit of documentation about how to enable neutron in order for that to work. My reading of that is since neutron is the default now you don't need to do that so its redundant and can be removed | 23:39 |
| clarkb | (I am not devstack core so don't really have an opinion on that, but thats the background aiui) | 23:39 |
| clayg | clarkb: yes, I believe that was the reviewers comment as well - use gerrit inline edit? | 23:40 |
| clayg | clarkb: I'm quite sure you know more about it than I | 23:40 |
| clayg | i just tracked down how the default value of IP_ADDRESS got removed from the docs and tried to point it out | 23:40 |
| clarkb | clayg: I think they want you to remove lines 533 to 540 | 23:40 |
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| clayg | clarkb: how 'bout a diff then so I can be sure? why would I guess? | 23:41 |
| clayg | I split the follow up to a seperate change - we can back and forth there? | 23:41 |
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| clarkb | sure | 23:41 |
| clayg | step #1 fix well researched and obvious bug #2 make docs better in unrelated way | 23:42 |
| clarkb | ya in your followup remove 533 to 540 is what sc68cal_ is saying | 23:42 |
| clarkb | clayg: I think sc68cal_ keeps east coast hours and may not respond until tomorrow | 23:42 |
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| clayg | a'ight I'll see if I can bribe him into doing the right hting on patch 364203 with another rev on patch 364236 that may or may not be what he wants? | 23:43 |
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