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| stevemar | flaper87: err, i guess not... | 04:31 |
| stevemar | it worked locally *shrugs* | 04:32 |
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| jd__ | zaneb: I feel your pain with events :( | 16:16 |
| zaneb | jd__: maybe we can discuss this in Atlanta? | 16:16 |
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| jd__ | zaneb: without me then, I won't be there :) | 16:17 |
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| jd__ | zaneb: harlowja has some ideas about that too FTR, I think he already talked a bit about that at some point | 16:17 |
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| zaneb | jd__: is anyone from telemetry coming? when _can_ we have a cross-project discussion with y'all if not at the PTG? | 16:19 |
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| jd__ | zaneb: we don't have a Telemetry track so I doubt anyone will be there – blame this new PTG thing :) | 16:19 |
| jd__ | zaneb: though we're cool chatting async'ly on openstack-dev | 16:20 |
| jd__ | zaneb: TBH I started working on notification 3 years ago and I never went very far because designing a solution to the problem is (more or less) simple | 16:20 |
| jd__ | zaneb: the real challenge is to have adoption of the solution | 16:20 |
| jd__ | zaneb: e.g. solved the DLM / group membership problems 3 years ago with tooz and it's still barely used where it should be :-) | 16:21 |
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| zaneb | jd__: well if it doesn't exist I guarantee nobody will adopt it ;) | 16:22 |
| jd__ | zaneb: haha, true | 16:22 |
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| zaneb | jd__: and this is somewhat easier than the tooz situation, because projects already send notifications. so we just need users to adopt it | 16:22 |
| zaneb | which they will do if it's useful to them | 16:23 |
| jd__ | zaneb: but at that point that goes a bit around the telemetry area, and I think everyone decided not to lead the effort anymore considering the high friction | 16:23 |
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| jd__ | I think the user use case is an important one but it's not really tied to telemetry | 16:24 |
| jd__ | we're just consumers of whatever we can get :p | 16:24 |
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| zaneb | jd__: that's why I've been doing stuff like https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/building-self-healing-applications-with-aodh-zaqar-and-mistral to try to get users interested in this kind of thing | 16:26 |
| zaneb | jd__: I'm happy to be the cheerleader for this, but we need to get folks from all the different projects involved into a room and get them to agree on a strategy | 16:27 |
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| jd__ | zaneb: well count us in :) | 16:32 |
| jd__ | zaneb: if you have a strategy to expose already we'll be happy to take a look | 16:32 |
| zaneb | jd__: but not in Atlanta :/ | 16:32 |
| jd__ | zaneb: no, though you can consider us easy folks to deal with without being f2f :p | 16:34 |
| zaneb | I don't have a particular strategy to push, I think the folks who would end up maintaining/using the code need to come up with that themselves | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, fungi : o/ | 17:41 |
| fungi | howdy | 17:41 |
| ttx | ohai | 17:41 |
| fungi | just trying to figure out when i should push the resolutions i'm staging up for review | 17:41 |
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| dhellmann | I think I'm confused. I thought each of us had at least 1 patch to push, which is why I was trying to coordinate | 17:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx, I had you down for the "different animal" patch | 17:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I missed mine, and I don't have much time now to write it... | 17:42 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 17:42 |
| dhellmann | I could write that one | 17:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we could post tomorrow, or you can post mine with me as co-author today | 17:42 |
| ttx | Or maybe I can whip up something really really quick | 17:43 |
| dhellmann | ttx: is yours what we have on lines 141 or so of the etherpad? | 17:43 |
| dhellmann | because I do have a version of that one | 17:43 |
| ttx | 141+ and 264+ | 17:43 |
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| ttx | I have to drop in 2 min so probably won't have time to finalize it | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | yes, ok, I have that | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | I'll post that with you as a co-author | 17:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi , if you still have time to do it now, I think we can go ahead | 17:44 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ok, and will check it first thing tomorrow | 17:44 |
| ttx | will post a patchset2 if I have any improvement for it | 17:45 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yep, i'll start pushing them up to gerrit now in that case | 17:45 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ack, go for it | 17:45 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ok, sounds good. my version doesn't have a resolution attached to the rules change, since I had that pulled out as a separate independent item | 17:45 |
| ttx | should they use a common topic or subject line prefix ? | 17:45 |
| fungi | not formal-vote yet then? | 17:45 |
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| dhellmann | let's put "driver-team:" at the start of the commit message | 17:45 |
| dhellmann | we can set the topic to driver-team for now | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | or "teams" plural | 17:46 |
| ttx | well, I'll have to override the topic soon enough, so title prefix is probably preferable yes | 17:46 |
| fungi | also maybe we should use the same resolution filename for all of them? | 17:46 |
| fungi | i was going to for mine at any rate | 17:46 |
| ttx | so that they generate conflicts ? good idea | 17:46 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 17:46 |
| ttx | but I really need to run :) | 17:46 |
| fungi | resolutions/20161128-driver-teams.rst | 17:46 |
| fungi | later ttx. thanks! | 17:46 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: thanks | 17:47 |
| dhellmann | fungi : what's the right form of co-author attribution? "Co-Authored-By"? | 17:48 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yep, and then full name with e-mail address in <> | 17:49 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 17:49 |
| fungi | Co-Authored-By: Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> | 17:49 |
| fungi | or whatever | 17:49 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm going to go ahead and start pushing patches | 17:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: add a resolution allowing teams based on vendor-specific drivers https://review.openstack.org/403826 | 17:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: establish a new "driver team" concept https://review.openstack.org/403829 | 17:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: add resolution requiring teams to accept driver contributions https://review.openstack.org/403830 | 17:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: add resolution requiring teams to accept driver contributions https://review.openstack.org/403830 | 17:53 |
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| harlowja | jd__ whats FTR? | 18:01 |
| harlowja | what did i talk about? :-P | 18:01 |
| harlowja | face-to-rear | 18:01 |
| harlowja | ? | 18:01 |
| harlowja | (assuming thats not what FTR means) | 18:01 |
| fungi | harlowja: "for the record" | 18:02 |
| dhellmann | for the record? | 18:02 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:02 |
| harlowja | ya, that makes more sense,lol | 18:02 |
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| fungi | granted, when i ask vera (via the dict utility) it only suggests "full text retrieval" | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: Proprietary driver dev is unlevel https://review.openstack.org/403834 | 18:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: Driver development can be level https://review.openstack.org/403836 | 18:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: Stop requiring a level playing field https://review.openstack.org/403838 | 18:12 |
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| zigo | flaper87: Can you *please* stop opening wrong CR against the deb-* repos? That is *not* the place where to edit upstream code. Besides that, we never edit the master branch, which is for upstream, not for packaging. | 18:15 |
| zigo | flaper87: Please abandon all of you CR for deb-* too. | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/governance: driver-teams: Level playing fields, except drivers https://review.openstack.org/403839 | 18:16 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: 403834, 403836, 403838 and 403839 (i had to reword/shorten the commit message subjects to accommodate the prefix, but reused the original subjects as the resolution headings) | 18:17 |
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| fungi | looks like you beat me to filling in the blanks on the pad | 18:17 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I've been updating as I saw them come in | 18:17 |
| fungi | awesome--thanks! | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | would you double-check that I matched the order properly? | 18:18 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think this ML post is ready to go so I'm going to send that now | 18:21 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'm rereading carefully now | 18:24 |
| fungi | dhellmann: while not a governance change, is the proposed cinder spec at https://review.openstack.org/341780 worth a mention? or just let them bring it up when replying on that thread? | 18:25 |
| dhellmann | looking | 18:25 |
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| dhellmann | I'll let smcginnis bring that one up on the thread. It looks like a good alternative, but I don't want anyone to think it's in response to this since it pre-dates it | 18:26 |
| fungi | right, makes sense to me | 18:27 |
| dhellmann | it would work as a solution to requiring teams to support drivers, or even to just encouraging them to while recognizing that it doesn't mean they "own" the results | 18:27 |
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| fungi | i saw it more as a data point | 18:28 |
| fungi | temperature of one specific team on that option | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | yep | 18:28 |
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| dhellmann | after fixing the word salad on line 43, I think I'm ready to go | 18:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, sent | 18:34 |
| fungi | dhellmann: all the urls on the pad look correct to me. just finished browsing through | 18:34 |
| fungi | oh, good! ;) | 18:34 |
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| dhellmann | and links to the ML are now added back to all of the patches | 18:36 |
| dhellmann | I think we're set. | 18:36 |
| * dhellmann braces for discussion | 18:36 | |
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| fungi | jaypipes: i'm hoping the answer is not that potential customers think their products are better supported if the dev team is officially recognized by the tc. we definitely need to do a better job of setting up a marketing tarpit around driver support issues so that it doesn't bleed into our governance decisions | 19:19 |
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| jaypipes | fungi: that is my fear exactly. :( | 19:24 |
| fungi | i'm hoping over time https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ becomes the answer to that dilemma | 19:25 |
| fungi | give the service teams a means to register lists of which drivers they believe to have sufficient support based on whatever criteria they prefer (whether that's in-tree review, third-party testing, pinky-swear it works, whatever) | 19:27 |
| jaypipes | ya | 19:27 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: TIL about https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/. Is it communicated from time to time? | 19:33 |
| fungi | dmsimard: i think it may still be a little rough around the edges. that's one of the things that would need to be addressed before we could make it the go-to place for vendors to be able to show their driver is "supported" | 19:34 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: Very delayed response, but yes, that was just a data point, | 21:10 |
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| flaper87 | zigo: did you read my reply to your email? I sent it this morning and I had abandoned *ALL* deb- patches | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | zigo: not sure what patches are you referring to | 21:29 |
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| flaper87 | zigo: is it possible that you just got a flood of emails because of all the "abandones" and thought I was proposing patches again? | 21:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy McCrae proposed openstack/governance: Add os_searchlight to OpenStack-Ansible https://review.openstack.org/403933 | 22:50 |
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