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| dtroyer | armax: this might be faster than review-tag | 20:23 |
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| armax | dtroyer: | 20:29 |
| armax | agreed | 20:29 |
| armax | :) | 20:29 |
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| armax | here now | 20:30 |
| dtroyer | kk | 20:30 |
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| dtroyer | I checked my old nova-net DevStack and security group list does have the default group, but I'm not certain it had not already been created so I'm restarting it… | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | I'm not sure what a different action name would accomplish other than add a new name…create is accurate in my mind | 20:31 |
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| dtroyer | take —dry-run out of the picture... | 20:32 |
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| armax | ok | 20:33 |
| armax | I appreciate the nuisance here | 20:33 |
| dtroyer | I think 'create —or-show' is what has been described to me WRT the resource being created the first time and simply returned subsequently | 20:33 |
| armax | I am just not sure what the cleanest route is | 20:33 |
| dtroyer | I can live with —or-show defaulting to true even though it is not anywhere else | 20:33 |
| armax | so what would the command work in practice? | 20:34 |
| armax | s/what/how/ | 20:34 |
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| armax | openstack network topology create [—or-show] ? | 20:34 |
| dtroyer | exactly what was proposed except it is named create rather than show and has an —or-show option to keep pendantists like me happy | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | yes | 20:35 |
| armax | ok | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | I was hoping there might be ways to detect if the create had happened, then we could make the commands both behave as expected. I think this is our best alternative | 20:35 |
| armax | there’s none | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | and if that capability ever becomes available, we can add it without breaking back-compat | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | I'm not sure how likely that is, but its there | 20:36 |
| armax | I don’t think there’ll ever be need | 20:36 |
| armax | from a nova-neutron perspective | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | ok | 20:37 |
| armax | bear in mind that this was something done to address the case where nova autoassigned a network to a tenant on first vm boot | 20:37 |
| armax | the CLI exposure is somewhat incidental | 20:37 |
| dtroyer | right, although I can see where it might be useful | 20:38 |
| dtroyer | I wouldn't cry if we didn't have it though | 20:38 |
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| armax | perhaps adding something to the command line to emphasize taht the topology is unique per user | 20:38 |
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| armax | might help set expectation that multiple create commands don’t yield multiple topologies | 20:38 |
| dtroyer | do you mean project? | 20:39 |
| armax | right | 20:39 |
| armax | the relationship is one topology per one tenant/project | 20:39 |
| dtroyer | the —project arg should convey that? | 20:40 |
| armax | that’s only honored if an admin calls it | 20:40 |
| armax | as he/she can provision topologies on behalf of the project | 20:40 |
| armax | that’s what nova does effectively | 20:40 |
| armax | as they talk to neutron with admin creds | 20:40 |
| dtroyer | right, that's common for us. it does need —project-domain though, I didn't notice that before | 20:41 |
| armax | ok | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | so are we there? | 20:41 |
| armax | I would not make —project mandatory if this is what you mean | 20:42 |
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| armax | oh, personally I am okay with whichever you like to do, I have been providing my perspective on how the API works | 20:42 |
| dtroyer | right, it should not be… I meant that its presence implies one per…and as I write that I guess it doesn't really | 20:42 |
| dtroyer | and that has been very helpful, thanks | 20:42 |
| armax | I was a bit confused as to why the security group show/list case was treated differently | 20:43 |
| armax | but now I understand that might have been an oversight | 20:43 |
| dtroyer | I'll leave a comment that the docs should include one topo per project | 20:43 |
| armax | when referring to the ‘default’ security group | 20:43 |
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| dtroyer | right, I didn't even think about it working that way | 20:43 |
| dtroyer | I'm going to verify nova-net just to ease my mind :) | 20:44 |
| armax | my confusion stemmed from the fact that I had assumed you guys turned a blind eye tehre and not here | 20:44 |
| armax | I shouldn’t have implied that I guess :) | 20:44 |
| armax | but now I guess it makes sense | 20:44 |
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| dtroyer | no worries, I can see where that would happen | 20:44 |
| armax | as for nova-net I am not quite sure what happens there, but I also believe tah the default security group is provisioned on the fly | 20:45 |
| armax | but I might be wrong | 20:45 |
| armax | for sure for the topology case | 20:45 |
| dtroyer | it is one reason I try to not think too much about implementations, to keep a user perspective and not get swayed by how it is actually built | 20:45 |
| armax | nova is different in that the admin creates networks in advance | 20:45 |
| armax | and when a user boots a vm | 20:45 |
| * dtroyer created a lot of those back in the day, but never looked in the db | 20:46 | |
| armax | a network is simply linked to the project | 20:46 |
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| armax | but there was never an explicit call to do that | 20:46 |
| armax | via the nova api | 20:46 |
| armax | I was never fond of this use case | 20:46 |
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| armax | but apparently I had to put up with the nova team’s request to get them to kill nova-net once and for all :P | 20:47 |
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| dtroyer | I think this shows one place that 'business logic' that operates on primitives is a desirable thing, at a lower level than say Heat might provide | 20:48 |
| dtroyer | I think that is going to be spelled 'oaktree' in the future | 20:49 |
| armax | yup | 20:49 |
| dtroyer | ((although that isn't going to be good for this specific nova use case)) | 20:49 |
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| armax | dtroyer: I’ll keep an eye on the review, thanks | 20:54 |
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| dtroyer | thanks… I'm writing this up now | 20:55 |
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