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| ttx | dims: regarding office hours / TC discussion channel -- it feels like people are pretty split. I was thinking about proposing two governance changes -- one setting office hours (on #openstack-dev) and one switching channels (to #openstack-tc) so that we can evaluate those separately | 13:59 |
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| dims | ttx : sounds good | 14:00 |
| ttx | dims: but I don't want to steal your thunder, if you want to propose that yourself | 14:00 |
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| dims | ttx : if you can do the office hours, i can file the switching channels after that | 14:02 |
| ttx | ok | 14:03 |
| dims | i am going to draft something for the "binaries" now (starting with an email) | 14:03 |
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| makowals | Hello everyone | 14:18 |
| makowals | Which place is the best to raise issues with devstack ? | 14:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: How to propose changes: do not mention meetings https://review.openstack.org/467255 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/governance master: Introduce office hours https://review.openstack.org/467256 | 14:22 |
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| sdague | makowals: here or in #openstack-qa | 14:23 |
| sdague | makowals: what's up? | 14:23 |
| makowals | There is a patch -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467078/ -- pinning non-openstack project to branch other than master. This fails because there is a test assuring all defaults point to master to avoid mess | 14:24 |
| makowals | But in this case master branch of novnc project shouldn't be used as it's broken comparing to packaged (rpm/deb) versions | 14:24 |
| makowals | So the idea is to pin this git repo in devstack to stable/something | 14:24 |
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| makowals | At this moment CI does not accept it, but at the moment I strongly believe it's the best solution in this one particular caase | 14:25 |
| makowals | s/caase/case | 14:25 |
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| makowals | (https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/tests/test_refs.sh is the test failing) | 14:28 |
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| ttx | mordred: what are your plans re: assert:never-breaks-compat (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446561/) ? Do you plan to refresh it or should we abandon it for now ? | 14:31 |
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| sdague | makowals: if you just fix the unit tests for devestack, it will work | 14:38 |
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| sdague | makowals: honestly, is there a real artifact that's not a git tree for that? | 14:38 |
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| sdague | I've never liked that noVNC was pulling from git | 14:39 |
| makowals | sdague: This project looks really bad, they should at least release pypi package | 14:40 |
| sdague | makowals: well, it's all javascript, I'm not sure pypi is a thing that makes sense | 14:41 |
| makowals | sdague: Well, the rpm is called python-novnc if I remember correctly | 14:41 |
| sdague | that's probably the nova daemon with this bundled? | 14:42 |
| sdague | makowals: so, anyway, path forward here | 14:42 |
| makowals | No idea about this to be honest | 14:42 |
| sdague | put an exclusion in test_refs.sh to not care about the ref for noVNC | 14:43 |
| makowals | I will try to make the test ignoring this one repo then | 14:43 |
| makowals | Thanks | 14:43 |
| sdague | yep | 14:43 |
| sdague | that should be easy, we'll get that quickly approved | 14:43 |
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| mordred | ttx: let's just abandon it - I don't think I've got wide enough buy-in on it for now and it's not the battle I want to spend energy on this cycle | 14:46 |
| dims | ttx : dhellmann : sent a proposal for binaries/containers to -dev@ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117282.html | 14:46 |
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| ttx | mordred: ok, can do unless you beat me to it | 14:50 |
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| cdent | good eye smcginnis | 15:13 |
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| cdent | although I bet directoros are snappy dressers | 15:13 |
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| smcginnis | cdent: ;) | 15:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack/governance master: Add zuul-base-jobs and zuul-jobs to openstack-infra https://review.openstack.org/467296 | 15:58 |
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| jaypipes | zaneb: ftr, I agree with nearly everything you've written on the Pendulum swinging on PaaS layers thread. I hope you could tell there was some amount of sarcasm in my response to you. | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | jaypipes: Sarcasm? From you? | 16:40 |
| jaypipes | smcginnis: :) | 16:40 |
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| cdent | soon you will be in my power | 16:47 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 16:47 |
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| cdent | ttx: tonight's tc meeting is skipped, correct? | 17:46 |
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| smcginnis | cdent: Was wondering the same thing since the agenda page has tbd for the next date. | 17:53 |
| cdent | smcginnis: I think I recall that ttx's email from last friday said it would be skipped. looking for that now. | 17:53 |
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| cdent | smcginnis: yeah, the end of this: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/117047.html | 17:54 |
| smcginnis | Oh, right! | 17:55 |
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| * cdent is trying to figure out how to do weekly meeting minutes when there is no meeting and there's thierry's message too | 17:59 | |
| cdent | moar trolling! | 17:59 |
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| smcginnis | Hah! | 17:59 |
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| smcginnis | Lot's of grepping through IRC logs? | 17:59 |
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| cdent | I thinking I'm going to go with "things that required lots of my attention" and see where that gets me | 18:04 |
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| amrith | clarkb, you asked something of me at some point (19:51) yesterday | 18:05 |
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| amrith | no, it was not intentional that I know of | 18:06 |
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| amrith | sdague, any ideas on how I could get someone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463738/ | 18:11 |
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| cdent | zaneb: thanks for the nostalgia trip on AllowEncodedSlashes. I gave up on that long enough ago that I didn't know they had _finally_ added the NoDecode option | 18:42 |
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| zaneb | cdent: didn't realise that was a new thing. probably doesn't really help unless other layers support it | 18:45 |
| cdent | it's not "new" in real time, but newish, relatively to pre 2.x apache | 18:46 |
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| cdent | there was a bug related to that that was _years_ old | 18:46 |
| cdent | and it was especially strange because people didn't seem to grok that it was desirable and normal to pass a %2F and that special casing it was super weird | 18:47 |
| cdent | the behavior was never what the apache docs actually said it was | 18:47 |
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| dims | jaypipes : edleafe : LOL on "You are more than welcome to implement the placement API in etcd or Cassandra" :) | 19:40 |
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| rockyg | dims, ++ | 19:46 |
| edleafe | dims: nah, it's gotta be Cockroach DB! | 19:46 |
| dims | :) | 19:47 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek : did you see this thread on the operators list? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-May/013500.html | 20:02 |
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| clarkb | that issue was a big part of why the pymysql driver was looked at as an laternative | 20:03 |
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| dims | cdent : oooh, the small compute service! | 20:04 |
| cdent | dims: this seems to be the week for everyone to lay our their crazy ideas. that one has been around forever, but may as well come back up | 20:06 |
| sdague | my patience with crazy ideas is very low at the moment. I'm going to measure everything in units of Tasks Vaporware, which is how many 3 year units have people been talking about a thing with no progress | 20:06 |
| sdague | small compute is at least a 0.5 TV | 20:07 |
| * dims smells a challenge :) | 20:08 | |
| sdague | hey, anyone that is going to go build concensus, do the hard engineering to evolve what we have, more power to you. But random "wouldn't it be great if" emails are just noise. We have no lack of good ideas in this community. | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: havent seen that list | 20:10 |
| sdague | there are so many good ideas that come out of summits / forums | 20:10 |
| sdague | and conversations | 20:10 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: so, yes. can't use the native MySQL driver w/ eventlet | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : your input on how to make mysql:// URLs use pymysql so we don't have to validate for mysql+pymysql:// would be most welcome | 20:11 |
| cdent | sdague: that's all true, but there's a certain extent to which having conversations can be motivating and generative for some. it helps _some_ people keep beliving that we are alive and working towards stuff, not sitting still | 20:11 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: do you want it in oslo.db ? | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | I don't know where the driver selection stuff is right now | 20:11 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: it's in the .conf file for every openstack application | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : !? | 20:12 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK let me figure out where to join this ML, how about that? | 20:12 |
| sdague | cdent: that's fine, as long as you understand that's where lots of people tune off of threads because they consider it folks smoking up in dorm rooms late a night, and want to get back to productive things | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: I mean what takes the scheme portion of that url and decides what library needs to be loaded | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | 20:12 |
| cdent | sdague: dude, you're harshing my mellow | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: if you don't put the "+drivername" part, SQLAlchemy has defaults. for MySQL, its the "mysqlclient" or Python-mysql driver depending on which is instlaled since they use the same module name in Python | 20:13 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: oslo.db can easily prevent this | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: ah. so, who do we need to talk to about changing that default? ;-) or maybe overriding it in oslo.db is better? | 20:13 |
| clarkb | the default is +pymysql I thought | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: the default itself is a function of the installers in use for whatever service you are dealing with | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | clarkb: yah shuld be | 20:14 |
| zzzeek | clarkb dhellmann however if this was an old installation that they upgraded, it could have the older URL | 20:14 |
| sdague | clarkb: we're setting it to that in devstack, I don't know about oslo.db | 20:14 |
| clarkb | at least upstream we use pymysql (I remember zzzeek and to much lesser extent myself and I think sdague making that happen) | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, maybe this thread is based on an installation from before that change? that would also be a good response to have on the ML | 20:14 |
| sdague | dhellmann: we did also allow people to set their drivers because there were trade offs | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : the specific issue was that someone had mysql://... instead of mysql+pymysql://... and that triggered using the other library | 20:15 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: what is the trick to reply to a mailing list thread that you didn't acvtually receive in your inbox b.c. you just subscribed? | 20:15 |
| sdague | every query takes longer in pymysql over the native driver, but you get the non deadlocking parallelism | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | sdague : this is going to end up being part of the python 3 deployment story, I think | 20:15 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok | 20:15 |
| clarkb | sdague: in aggregate the cost wasn't significantly higher though (job run times were on par with each other, though we may want ot periodically remeasure that) | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : maybe if I copy you on a reply you can join the thread that way. | 20:16 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: graet :) | 20:16 |
| fungi | zzzeek: you can download the mbox file for the relevant month's archive, dig out the message-id and then create a in-reply-to header by hand, though i usually don't bother (and agree it would be nice if there were an easier answer too) | 20:16 |
| zzzeek | fungi: right. dhellmann is going to email me :) | 20:17 |
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| fungi | wishing pipermail would just display the message-id or provide a link in each message to be able to retrieve it or something along those lines | 20:17 |
| fungi | but i haven't been sufficiently motivated to propose such a patch | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | sent | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | fungi, clarkb, sdague : do any of you have any idea why this log would be showing a constraint value for appdirs that is several weeks old? http://logs.openstack.org/47/464747/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.log-ubuntu-xenial-newton/184218b/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | more specifically http://logs.openstack.org/47/464747/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.log-ubuntu-xenial-newton/184218b/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2017-05-15_20_47_04_610 | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | oh, wait, newton | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | bah | 20:19 |
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| sdague | yeh, that's the mixed mode job | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | fungi, clarkb, sdague : nevermind | 20:19 |
| fungi | clarkb: right, i know i hacked on a bunch of that too after volunteering at a summit (hong kong maybe?), and my reason for considering it an important migration was because of the lack of py3k support in the module we were using (plus one fewer non-pure-python dep for services) | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | setuptools is killing me | 20:19 |
| fungi | dhellmann: did they bump their appdirs minimum again? | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | apparently | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | either that, or we did | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | I think those need to be in sync across our branches for some of these jobs | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | sdague, fungi : https://review.openstack.org/467377 should update the appdirs version in newton. I'll check ocata, too | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ocata is already up to date | 20:22 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: looks like the setuptools install_requires on it was last updated back in january to >=1.4.0, so it's just stable branches on a handful of repos (or more) we've not gotten around to updating for that yet | 20:23 |
| fungi | i remember having to correct that on yet more repos to get some backports for security advisories to pass recently | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | fungi : it's weird that the other patches in this series passed the tests just fine. Is that IOError a race? | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | what is the current incantation for "retry my approved patch"? Does a recheck alone allow it to merge, or do I need to recheck and then W+1 again | 20:24 |
| fungi | if it failed testing previously, recheck should work fine | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 20:25 |
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| fungi | reapplying workflow +1 is generally only necessary if the current verify result is already +1 (due to a quirk in how gerrit replacing a vote with the same value doesn't emit vote details in its event stream) | 20:26 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: in that log, it isn't entirely clear to me why appdirs==1.4.3 ends up installed later | 20:29 |
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| fungi | looks like maybe tempest is installed without the same constraints list or something | 20:30 |
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| fungi | ohh... are we trying to install current (master) tempest with stable/newton era constraints there? | 20:33 |
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| fungi | http://logs.openstack.org/47/464747/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.log-ubuntu-xenial-newton/184218b/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2017-05-15_20_53_37_237 | 20:33 |
| fungi | certainly looks like it | 20:33 |
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| fungi | rather, i think we're pip installing tempest (master) into a virtualenv, then pip installing its requirements.txt with stable/newton upper-constraints.txt applied | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | zzzeek, dhellmann: This was hit by CERN, and yep, this was upgraded from when they originally set the connection string four years ago. | 20:36 |
| smcginnis | "this" being the mysql:// deal. | 20:37 |
| zzzeek | smcginnis: makes sense | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : so maybe we just want oslo.db to log a warning, and not make a change for them? | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I believe they are making the change now. | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: They just didn't know to do so. | 20:37 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: So at a minimum I think logging a warning would be good, but ideally I think just switching to use pymsql would avoid issues. | 20:38 |
| smcginnis | I think the problem is, unless they've really been following along closely at home, no one knows there is a different preferred connection prefix. | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah. sdague said there are different performance trade-offs with the new lib, so that made me think forcing the change might not be the best move. although "slow" is better than "deadlocks" | 20:41 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: we can make oslo.db "fix" URLs silently if that's an immediate thing we really need, i just dont like it :) | 20:49 |
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| clarkb | zzzeek: the big issue we'll likely run into with that is if these are older installs chances are they don't have pymysql installed | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : I think I'd rather go with a log warning than a hard-cut over | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | that's another good reason not to force it | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : do you have time to work on that patch? | 20:50 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: tmorrow yes, not today | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek : sure, as long as it has an owner. Would you reply to the list so folks know the plan? | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | please | 20:52 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: sure | 20:53 |
| clarkb | and maybe also poll tripleo, kolla, puppet, osa, et al and see what they do? | 20:53 |
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| clarkb | EmilienM: odyssey4me ^ | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : awesome, thanks | 20:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/governance master: Establish a #openstack-tc water cooler channel https://review.openstack.org/467386 | 21:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/governance master: Establish a #openstack-tc water cooler channel https://review.openstack.org/467386 | 21:14 |
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| dims | smcginnis : please reapply your roll call vote :) it's going to be strange to -1 my own proposal :) | 21:15 |
| smcginnis | dims: :) | 21:16 |
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| cdent | thanks for dropping your dig mriedem. that's like 90% of the point of me writing those things. | 21:52 |
| mriedem | sweet | 21:52 |
| mriedem | immediately after i wrote it, i thought about a counter argument to my dig | 21:53 |
| mriedem | i.e. no one is one a new enough release to know they need to backport any fixes, | 21:53 |
| mriedem | because they are stuck in juno | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | *is on | 21:53 |
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| mriedem | it was less a dig at consumers/operators and more at vendors who do all of their stable branch maintenance stuff internally downstream | 21:53 |
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| cdent | I'm sure if you spent enough thought and time you could counter dig yourself into a very deep hole | 21:54 |
| mriedem | get it | 21:54 |
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| EmilienM | clarkb: missing full context | 22:47 |
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| clarkb | EmilienM: what mysql driver for sqlalchemy do your deployment tools use? | 22:49 |
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| EmilienM | clarkb: pymysql | 22:50 |
| EmilienM | connection=mysql+pymysql://nova_api:Cq8NBkysUsGNBXP7mrWzQupaE@192.168.24.13/nova_api?read_default_group=tripleo&read_default_file=/etc/my.cnf.d/tripleo.cnf | 22:53 |
| EmilienM | for example | 22:53 |
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| clarkb | cool so at least tripleo/puppet are pymysqling | 22:54 |
| EmilienM | indeed | 22:55 |
| EmilienM | since liberty I believe | 22:55 |
| EmilienM | clarkb: thanks for checking | 22:55 |
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