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| kornicameister | hi guys, I am experiencing a rather strange problem with local vagrant based deployment of devstack | 06:34 |
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| kornicameister | some error output here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/611166/ | 06:34 |
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| giuseppe1992 | Hello! :-) | 09:41 |
| giuseppe1992 | Some of you are using a remote debugger for Nova?? I want to use Pycharm, but I'm not sure how to do it, can you help me? | 09:43 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: There is a known issue with setuptools 36.0.0 and errors about the "six" package. For current details see https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues/1042 and monitor #openstack-infra | 09:43 | |
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| mugsie | cdent: ++ - a very eloquent way of wording it | 11:00 |
| cdent | thanks, I'm really tired of the pattern | 11:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/governance master: Add swift artifacts for deploy-api-in-wsgi goal https://review.openstack.org/469847 | 11:45 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Hi! Can I get your opinion on https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/blob/master/zaqar/storage/sqlalchemy/driver.py#L74 ? | 14:21 |
| zzzeek | therve: sure | 14:21 |
| therve | It feels like it should be return session, not return session() | 14:21 |
| therve | Related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1691951 you looked at | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691951 in tripleo "Lost connection to MySQL during query" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele) | 14:22 |
| zzzeek | therve: "we should migrate to oslo.db asap." I already have a widely used pattern for this ready to go called enginefacade | 14:22 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yeah... I'd like a simpler fix for now if possible :) | 14:22 |
| therve | If that's indeed the issue | 14:23 |
| zzzeek | therve: in all honesty it would likely be :) however, scoped_session indicates you are using thread local storage for sessions. is that what you want ? | 14:23 |
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| zzzeek | also what is lazy_property(), this will be called only once per application right ? | 14:23 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yes. But the result of that property is cached, so I'm wondering if we cache the right thing | 14:24 |
| therve | Yes | 14:24 |
| zzzeek | therve: OK so the name "connection" is also a really misleading name | 14:24 |
| zzzeek | when someone comes to me and says "zaqar lost the connection" or somethign like that, will be v. confusing | 14:24 |
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| zzzeek | the scoped_session / sessionmaker() are factory objects | 14:24 |
| zzzeek | therve: this is a lot to look at. I see "def run()" and "def close()" which look pretty scary considering what ".connection" is. I'd need to see how these things are used in context | 14:25 |
| therve | zzzeek, OK so maybe simpler questions. Is scope_session() thread safe? | 14:26 |
| zzzeek | therve: I dont think that's a simple question :) the answer is, " if used as intended", I guess | 14:27 |
| therve | :D | 14:27 |
| zzzeek | it's a factory | 14:28 |
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| therve | zzzeek, And the thing that it returns? | 14:28 |
| therve | ie scope_session()() | 14:29 |
| zzzeek | therve: I never use SS so I'm readign my own tutorial to remember exactly the API :) | 14:29 |
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| therve | Thanks :) | 14:29 |
| * bandini peeks in ;) | 14:29 | |
| zzzeek | therve: zaqar does all SQL strictly through "run()" ? there's no ORM use ? | 14:30 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yes | 14:30 |
| zzzeek | therve: then there is no reason to use Session or scoped_Session or any of that, it is all waste | 14:30 |
| * zzzeek is trying to find any of yoru queries | 14:31 | |
| zzzeek | ah ok | 14:31 |
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| zzzeek | therve: OK. this is towards figuring out bandini's error right ? | 14:32 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yeah. It looks a lot like a thread safe | 14:32 |
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| zzzeek | therve: it is thread safe. that is not the issue | 14:33 |
| therve | Hum | 14:33 |
| zzzeek | therve: the issue is that all your threads will begin a SQL transaction and then leave it open forever | 14:33 |
| zzzeek | therve: as of yet...b.c. i dont see anyone using .close()....however i may be missing that, where is .close() called ? | 14:33 |
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| therve | zzzeek, I believe somewhere in the pipeline | 14:34 |
| zzzeek | therve: OK so. ControlDriver is a global singleton object in the application ? | 14:35 |
| therve | zzzeek, Yes | 14:35 |
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| zzzeek | OK. then the request comes in, some bits happen to call things like CatalogController.exists(), CatalogController.insert(), etc., and you'd like these to all be in the same transaction on that thread. then, at the end, something definitely calls ControlDriver.close(), guaranteed, no matter what errors have happened, exceptions, etc., right? | 14:36 |
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| therve | zzzeek, It uses autocommit, so I don't think there are transactions? | 14:37 |
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| zzzeek | therve: right, I see that. if you want every SQL on it's own connection w/ autocommit, this can be much much much simpler | 14:37 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Well, I think we'd like to keep connections open for efficiency, but otherwise yeah simpler would be great | 14:38 |
| therve | Although I mostly care about correctness | 14:39 |
| zzzeek | therve: when you use Session with autocommit, every time you call execute(), it gets connection from the pool, runs the statement, commits it if it is a DML, then returns the connection to the pool; pool unconditionally emits rollback() on the connection to get rid of any remaining state (it doesn't assume commit() was called), stores it back for re-use | 14:39 |
| zzzeek | therve: what is lazy_property(write=False), waht does the "write=False" part mean ? | 14:40 |
| therve | zzzeek, It means you can't do driver.connection = stuff | 14:41 |
| zzzeek | therve: oh, OK. | 14:41 |
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| zzzeek | therve: I think in general since the session is autocommit and you are not using ORM then there's nothing happening at all here that would cause issues. however, simplification forthcoming | 14:44 |
| therve | zzzeek, OK! Thanks for the info, that's very useful | 14:44 |
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| zzzeek | therve: re: "Correctness", if someone asks zaqar for some information, and zaqar used three SQL queries to get that information and possibly change things, you'd want those operations to all be in the same transaction | 14:45 |
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| zzzeek | therve: more critically, if zaqar is aksed to do something, and it runs mutiple INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE statements that are all related, if those are not in the same transaction then this is less "correct", though depending on specifics might not make much difference | 14:45 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Oh yeah for sure, that is a horrible thing | 14:46 |
| therve | It is fairly little used though | 14:46 |
| zzzeek | therve: I'd have to learn more what zaqar is doing to evaluate more closely | 14:47 |
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| therve | So I don't see why we would get the errors seen in the bug, other than thread/race conditon | 14:47 |
| zzzeek | therve: jsut right now, you are one SQL statement + COMMIT, one SQL statement + COMMIT, etc. | 14:47 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Yeah that part I get. I'm somewhat ok with it for now :) | 14:48 |
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| zzzeek | therve: this bug right https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1691951 that doesnt look like a race | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691951 in tripleo "Lost connection to MySQL during query" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Michele Baldessari (michele) | 14:49 |
| zzzeek | therve: that error is specifically when the query is taking too long for some reason | 14:49 |
| zzzeek | therve: it shouldnt be in response to locking, that would be "lock wait timeout exceeded" | 14:49 |
| therve | Hum, ok | 14:50 |
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| zzzeek | therve: I'm trying to run the tests on this proposed change but it's just stuck in a long line of mongodb FAIL and I dont know why so i will just push this up so you can see it. but it's not likely to fix the issue we're seeing, just makes the code easier to read :) | 14:54 |
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| therve | zzzeek, Great, thanks | 14:55 |
| zzzeek | therve: don't know if this works since I didn't look at everything but we'll see what the build says | 14:58 |
| therve | Yep | 14:58 |
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| zzzeek | therve: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469916/ | 15:00 |
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| zzzeek | therve: so w/ the "lost connection" bug, I think when that error happens it has to do with the bigger scheme of things and that means it would be helpful to see all the SQL that's running up to when the problem happens | 15:01 |
| zzzeek | therve: but that means being able to reproduce it is kind of important | 15:01 |
| therve | Yeah | 15:01 |
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| zzzeek | therve: so...i guess this cant be reproduced and only bandini is seeing it in his v. specific situation ? | 15:01 |
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| bandini | zzzeek: so I was attending a tripleo bootcamp here and it was a moderately spread issue (once or twice a day) amongst the attendees | 15:03 |
| bandini | so I am definitely not alone there | 15:03 |
| bandini | but yeah it also does not happen *that* often (plus rerunning the deploy always works) | 15:03 |
| zzzeek | bandini: OK so....how come when i do my oooq here against newton, then I go look at the undercloud, zaqar is not using the SQL backend, how can I make that happen on my end here if I'm using oooq ? do i need to use ocata? | 15:04 |
| bandini | zzzeek: so one hint might be that we were all using master here. I don't know if it can be reproduced on stable branches | 15:05 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: can you give me the oooq command that does the right versions? or is it hardder than that? | 15:05 |
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| bandini | zzzeek: sure let me dig it up | 15:06 |
| zzzeek | bandini: b..c ill just run here | 15:06 |
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| therve | zzzeek, So, the fact that I'll access the engine in different threads don't matter? | 15:07 |
| bandini | zzzeek: http://paste.openstack.org/show/611217/ this is what I run | 15:07 |
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| zzzeek | therve: "engine" is again a factory for connections, which is represnted by an object called Connection. "Connection" is the thing that is not threadsafe. engine features a method execute() that is essentially "with self.connect() as conn: return conn.execute(sql)" | 15:08 |
| therve | Ah, ok | 15:08 |
| zzzeek | bandini: oh this is the bandini script | 15:08 |
| zzzeek | bandini: OH this is w/ all the container crap ? ooooohhhhh | 15:09 |
| bandini | zzzeek: yeah it is like a mini-wrapper thing | 15:09 |
| bandini | zzzeek: no no, no container in this case :) | 15:09 |
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| bandini | this is pure/clean/non-container undercloud from master | 15:09 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: is the point of socketdir because you are running ansible on the same host as the one you are deplyoing towards ? | 15:10 |
| bandini | zzzeek: no it is because sometimes I run two quickstarts with the same user from the same host | 15:10 |
| bandini | (and at the same time) | 15:11 |
| zzzeek | bandini: now that is freaky. | 15:11 |
| bandini | without that you get these weird failure modes due to the same ssh control socket being accessed | 15:11 |
| zzzeek | bandini: but you have ansible ona different box than the deploy target? | 15:11 |
| bandini | or at least that used to be the case | 15:11 |
| bandini | zzzeek: correct yes | 15:11 |
| bandini | I use a jump host on a lab (mrg-09) and then point that to whatever machine I am given | 15:12 |
| zzzeek | bandini: so b.c. i am using remote redhat machine, I dont run ansible locally b.c. network hops are too long and i get timeouts | 15:12 |
| zzzeek | bandini: i go on the machine itself and deploy to 127.0.0.2 | 15:12 |
| zzzeek | so it's all over there | 15:12 |
| zzzeek | works great | 15:12 |
| bandini | zzzeek: so what I would do is get a user on mrg-09 and use that or run from the same virthost and use the 127.0.0.2 | 15:12 |
| bandini | ah yeah. I am used to the jumphost, and I like it because I have all my scripts and tmux sessions there | 15:12 |
| zzzeek | bandini: yeah im jsut trying to understand why you have all this script around quickstart | 15:12 |
| bandini | but both are equally good | 15:13 |
| zzzeek | bandini: b.c. i just have a one line command | 15:13 |
| bandini | zzzeek: eheh right you can probably just use the quickstart.sh lines and ignore the rest really | 15:13 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: OK. so what I would want to do is get an additional line into zaqar.conf for undercloud, do i need to break up into separate undercloud install, then do overcloud manually ? | 15:14 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: or how can i get special config into zaqar.conf or my.cnf w/ oooq | 15:14 |
| bandini | zzzeek: so unless you specify -t all, oooq will only deploy the undercloud and prepare all the scripts to deploy the overcloud for you (but will not actually deploy the overcloud) | 15:14 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: oh you are oing manual overcloud here right? | 15:15 |
| bandini | zzzeek: so I would deploy the undercloud only, change the zaqar conf and then deploy the overcloud and see what happens | 15:15 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: OK. ive been lazy doing -t all :) | 15:15 |
| bandini | zzzeek: yeah in this script yes, because I need to change the image before deploying | 15:15 |
| bandini | zzzeek: -t all is super nice :) | 15:15 |
| zzzeek | bandini: yeah i already forgot jhow to do overcloud | 15:16 |
| zzzeek | OK | 15:16 |
| bandini | eheh | 15:16 |
| zzzeek | bandini: why --requirements requirements.txt ? isnt that implicit ? | 15:17 |
| bandini | zzzeek: probably yeah, i sometimes used to point it to a different file, that is why it is there explicitely | 15:18 |
| zzzeek | ok | 15:18 |
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| bandini | w00t! | 15:19 |
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| zzzeek | bandini: so if I do overcloud deploy, no bug, then heat stack-delete, then overcloud deploy again, that's my "keep trying" path for this bug ? | 15:23 |
| bandini | zzzeek: yep! | 15:23 |
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| mriedem | dims: is there an alternative to use memcache with dogpile but not use pickle? looks like python-memcached uses pickle https://github.com/linsomniac/python-memcached/blob/master/memcache.py#L63 | 15:55 |
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| mriedem | looks like no https://github.com/openstack/oslo.cache/blob/master/setup.cfg#L37 | 15:55 |
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| mriedem | dims: with the new etcd backend in oslo.cache and we have etcd in primary nodes in master jobs, do we plan on enabling that in any ci jobs in the gate? | 16:04 |
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| cdent | dhellmann: just so its clear, though I made my rant in response to your message, I wasn't directing it at you. I was simply trying to get back to a node in the thread that had not gone into specific-land | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | cdent : np, I felt like I probably set that off a bit anyway | 16:06 |
| dims | mriedem : we just shipped the oslo.cache with etcd this morning. waiting for the u-c to go in | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | cdent : I hadn't even noticed that you'd replied to me, fwiw | 16:06 |
| dims | mriedem : will revive this WIP - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469621/ once it gets in | 16:07 |
| cdent | dhellmann: ✔ | 16:07 |
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| mriedem | dims: cool thanks | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | cdent : I'm looking for the registry for canonical service type names/assignments. Does that exist yet or is it still WIP? | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | sdague, annegentle : I feel like I've asked one or both of you about the service type registry in the past, too? | 16:44 |
| * dhellmann promises to bookmark it once he finds it | 16:44 | |
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| annegentle | dhellmann maybe https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/service-types-authority ? | 17:05 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann or perhaps https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/service-catalog.html | 17:14 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : service-types-authority was what I was looking for. Is that published somewhere? | 17:14 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann doesn't look like it | 17:16 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : ok, we can use the yaml file as a reference for what we need | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | this is for the new doc publishing stuff, since we'll use the service_type value as part of the URL for the unified guides | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | I needed a place to get the list of values so asettle and I can refer to it in the spec | 17:17 |
| dhellmann | one step will be "get yourself added to the service-type list" in that repo | 17:18 |
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| dhellmann | oh, and mordred's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461221/6 does that for most projects already | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | asettle : ^^ | 17:21 |
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| mordred | dhellmann, asettle, annegentle: I've also got a todo list task for servce-types-authority to get the generated json file published to a host | 17:24 |
| mordred | in support of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460654/ | 17:24 |
| annegentle | mordred oh, good oh yah! | 17:24 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : my intent with the new docs publishing stuff is to make the service type part of the URL, so the info will be duplicated in the project-config settings, so it would be good to have a way for reviewers of the relevant patches to be able to verify the service type. maybe that can even be done automatically, I don't know. | 17:30 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 17:31 |
| mordred | dhellmann: it should be totally possible to write that verification | 17:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll mention that in the spec but won't block the rest of the progress on it | 17:31 |
| mordred | dhellmann: cool. fwiw, the yaml in that repo has a service-type and a project entry - where project is things like "openstack/nova" | 17:32 |
| dhellmann | so maybe it's even possible to look up the value | 17:32 |
| mordred | dhellmann: so in a job it should be pretty easy to grab that repo, grab the yaml, find the one with a project that matches the project under test, and be good to go | 17:32 |
| mordred | yup | 17:32 |
| dhellmann | ok. that may be left as a "future enhancement" | 17:33 |
| dhellmann | but I'll see how hard it would be | 17:33 |
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| mordred | awesome. definitely agree it's a thing to do | 17:34 |
| mordred | dhellmann: also, fwiw, there's a plan to make a python lib that's installable that has the data - sort of like the tzdata module - so it might be even easier once we get to it (and adding a function to that lib "find_project_by_name" or something should be easy) | 17:35 |
| mordred | anywho - let me know if I can be useful | 17:35 |
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| dhellmann | mordred, annegentle, asettle : it occurred to me that we likely have some documentation for things that are not services. I'm not sure how those will work if we publish using service type in the url. We should probably figure out how we want URLs to actually look before we start making detailed plans for new build jobs. | 18:22 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann yes, agreed. And, we already do a poor job of consistency with version and language in URLs | 18:27 |
| annegentle | some are lang/ver and some are ver/lang | 18:27 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann perhaps for starters, map out whether /latest/ or /current/ substitutes for /version/ as needed | 18:28 |
| annegentle | dhellmann then whether language is first or second | 18:28 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann then whether deliverable title is next, such as install-guide | 18:28 |
| annegentle | dhellmann is that what you're looking for? | 18:29 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle : the consensus right now is to have 1 doc job publishing all the docs for a project. So that means something like docs.openstack.org/project-name or d.o.o/service-type then with all of the rest of the pieces like version and language coming after | 18:30 |
| dhellmann | for now I was trying to decide between project-name or service-type as the base of that url | 18:31 |
| dhellmann | it seems like version would come next, followed by language | 18:31 |
| annegentle | dhellmann service-type for sure | 18:31 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : what service type is oslo.log? | 18:31 |
| annegentle | dhellmann then, looking at readthedocs, /lang/version (and use latest not current) | 18:31 |
| annegentle | common-library or common/ | 18:32 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : so then what service type is oslo.config? | 18:32 |
| annegentle | docs.openstack.org/common/ | 18:32 |
| dhellmann | those are separate repos, with separate guides and publish jobs | 18:32 |
| dhellmann | and it feels weird to register a service type for a library if the only place it's going to be used is in the publishing job | 18:33 |
| annegentle | or docs.openstack.org/oslo.config/ -- could keep repo names if it's not true service user space | 18:33 |
| annegentle | dhellmann yes it does, so you could also keep all those docs that are for contributors as docs.openstack.org/developer and save a lot of redirects? Not sure it's worthwhile though | 18:33 |
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| dhellmann | oslo.config and oslo.log will have user-facing docs | 18:33 |
| annegentle | dhellmann ah, ok. would oslo be a common term they would see in their user space? | 18:34 |
| dhellmann | probably | 18:34 |
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| dhellmann | I'm trying to justify 2 separate types of publishing jobs now, though, where some use service type and some use the project name | 18:35 |
| annegentle | dhellmann hm, I'd need a lot more examples to draw from | 18:35 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : OSC is also not a service, and that's where the CLI reference will live | 18:36 |
| annegentle | dhellmann there's "only" about 30 services | 18:36 |
| annegentle | dhellmann so services will be the lesser-categorized "thing" out of 300+ repos, right? | 18:36 |
| dhellmann | every client library that still includes its own cli could potentially have a user guide for that | 18:36 |
| dhellmann | yeah, by far most of what we have are not services: https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/index.html | 18:37 |
| annegentle | dhellmann and I'm not trying to run numbers for optimization but pointing out that user space is smaller than overall repos numbers | 18:37 |
| dhellmann | though not all of those will have user docs | 18:37 |
| annegentle | dhellmann right | 18:37 |
| annegentle | "those" meaning services? | 18:37 |
| annegentle | oh, the other way 'round | 18:37 |
| dhellmann | not all of the non-service repos | 18:37 |
| dhellmann | right | 18:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Saad Zaher proposed openstack/governance master: Added OpenStack-ansible repos for freezer https://review.openstack.org/469977 | 18:56 |
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| fungi | annegentle: dhellmann: for yet another data point, the infra team has lots of "user"-facing documentation right now under docs.o.o/infra/<repo_shortname>/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | defining what a "user" is for a given repository is a bit of a challenge unto itself | 19:01 |
| fungi | for example, most "users" of git-review are developers, but that doesn't necessarily make it "developer documentation" | 19:01 |
| annegentle | fungi yeah no kidding :) | 19:01 |
| annegentle | fungi right | 19:01 |
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| fungi | i would wager that right now the vast majority of what's published under docs.o.o/developer/<repo_shortname>/ right now is more user-facing than development-oriented | 19:02 |
| fungi | that's just the random catchbin we shunted most documentation into if it wasn't maintained by the docs team | 19:03 |
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| fungi | over the years i decided to interpret that url to indicate who the documentation was maintained by (the developers for the various projects) rather than who the intended audience was | 19:19 |
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| smcginnis | fungi: I think you're right about /developer. I've pointed ops to pages there a lot and the majority haven't been aware of all the good stuff there. | 19:23 |
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| dhellmann | fungi, annegentle, smcginnis : yeah, all of this is leading me to think just removing that /developer prefix is the way to get a good place to put the content. We can add some landing pages for things like install guides that use the service type terminology to link to the appropriate project docs | 19:49 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 19:49 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: We have general content, then we have developer focused under /devref/, so I think we wouldn't lose anything by doing that. | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : and the projects that don't already do that will need to do a bit of reorganizing, but that's not a big deal | 19:50 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yeah, pretty minor thing overall. | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | we'll need to do that when we bring the install guide and config references into the trees anyway | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | so the big question I'm struggling with is if we lose anything by dropping the service type from the url | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | s/big/main | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | I know we're trying to use those terms elsewhere, including the guides themselves | 19:52 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Seem to me some things you would want under the service type and some things you wouldn't. Not sure there. | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was trying to avoid building all of this twice | 19:52 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann see if you can find an seo expert to give you data either way? | 20:08 |
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