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| dims | ttx : sdague : dhellmann : thread makes me want to go back to stackforge name. | 13:48 |
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| dhellmann | dims : I had a similar thought. | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | we've run through a lot of useful names to describe the difference (incubated, *forge, ecosystem) | 13:56 |
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| sdague | yeh, it did have the advantage of being unique | 13:57 |
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| smcginnis | Only big disadvantage I know is all the restarts we had to do to move projects. | 14:11 |
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| icey | jamespage: do you have that SRU bug link for nova-lxd? | 14:23 |
| ttx | sdague: yes, and in the end only the catchy names stick | 14:27 |
| ttx | "openstack hosted" has the benefit of explaining why it all ends up under a single git repo prefix | 14:28 |
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| ttx | but then it's not really true, as it's actually hosted by the infra team and the generous infra dnors | 14:29 |
| ttx | donors* | 14:29 |
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| sdague | Friends of OpenStack projects gets to become FOO projects... :) Honestly though, don't ask me about naming. My hands are dirty with both big tent and microversions which everyone hates... | 14:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack/governance master: Add "Glance Contributors " to top-5 wanted list https://review.openstack.org/474604 | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: dammit, there is something quite catchy about using foo | 15:01 |
| lbragstad | thingee: yep - let me know if you have any questions (thanks mriedem) | 15:01 |
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| cdent | [t alR] | 15:03 |
| purplerbot | <cdent> the thing that needs to have its name changed are not the entire suite of openstack projects, but those projects which are "governed" [2017-06-15 14:39:46.107922] [n alR] | 15:03 |
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| smcginnis | If we use FOO, can we also have Base Available Repos? | 15:21 |
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| ttx | Just as a reminder, the TC dropped its regular weekly meetings, but is holding regular office hours in 3 different timezones every week. Join #openstack-tc to participate. Tuesdays at 09:00 UTC, Wednesdays at 01:00 UTC, and Thursdays at 15:00 UTC | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | ttx: How timely, I was just about to look it up again to make sure I have it on my calendar. ;) | 15:42 |
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| jaypipes | jgriffith: the word you were looking for is "kumbaya" :) | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | jaypipes DAWWWW! | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | either way... hippie-dippie nonsense | 16:09 |
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| dims | fungi : perhaps all the community projects can just live on github? | 16:24 |
| dims | fungi : zuul v3 will let them use the CI resources. right? | 16:25 |
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| dims | https://github.com/blog/2378-nested-teams-add-depth-to-your-team-structure | 16:27 |
| mugsie | dims: but then they would have to use PRs :) | 16:28 |
| dims | mugsie : yep | 16:28 |
| * mugsie dislikes PRs .... a lot | 16:29 | |
| mugsie | but having zuul would make it a bit better | 16:29 |
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| dims | mugsie : just exploring options, not advocating it :) | 16:32 |
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| fungi | dims: yeah, zuulv3 does support testing and reporting back on github pull requests. we already intend to leverage that for testing proposed ansible patches with shade, maybe testing proposed pip/setuptools patches as well if their developers are still interested | 16:34 |
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| clarkb | dims: fwiw community projects can and already do do that depending on how you define community | 16:43 |
| clarkb | dims: I don't think we should do anything different around that | 16:43 |
| clarkb | basically nothing stops you from going to github and doing whatever you want to produce open source software :) | 16:44 |
| dims | clarkb : we don't let them set up shop under openstack github org | 16:44 |
| clarkb | nope | 16:44 |
| clarkb | but we are explicityl talking about not doing that I thought | 16:44 |
| clarkb | so that doesn't change | 16:44 |
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| clarkb | (because "openstack" is too confusing) | 16:45 |
| dims | clarkb : am looking for ways to clearly demarcate stuff under governance. any other ideas? | 16:46 |
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| clarkb | the trivial way would be to remove anything that isn't openstack (I don't think this is a good idea) | 16:47 |
| clarkb | I also don't think a separate name or proper stackforge again will solve the problems. I think people forget we had mostly all of the same confusion back then too | 16:47 |
| dims | right, | 16:47 |
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| clarkb | we could rename everything to be more generic then just happen to host "openstack" in it | 16:52 |
| clarkb | eg maybe what infra runs becomes "stackforge" in its entirety and openstack just happens to use those resources | 16:52 |
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| mordred | dims: yah - unfortunately there is more meaning inferred from the openstack/ 'namespace' than is intended. combining that with the difficulty of renaming projects makes this an unfortunately annoying problem | 16:59 |
| mordred | dims: also, the nested teams thing actually doesn't help at all ... it's not nested namespaces, it's specific auth (which we already have) | 16:59 |
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| mordred | if they'd allow | 17:00 |
| mordred | gah | 17:00 |
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| clarkb | and actually the more I think about it I kind of like that suggestion, since the problem seems to be purely around the hosting terminology. | 17:22 |
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| clarkb | basically openstack ⊂ stackforge, instead of openstack ∩ stackforge = {} | 17:25 |
| cdent | i kind of like that | 17:25 |
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| clarkb | but that could cause confusion the other direction "openstack is no longer openstack!" etc | 17:26 |
| dims | :) | 17:27 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek : do you have a minute to help me out with an alembic question? | 18:04 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: Low priority point to ponder - wondering if we should change the name of the "prelude" section in release notes to something more obvious. | 19:22 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Like "project_wide_announcements" or something. | 19:23 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: To get rid of all the times we need to tell people unfamiliar with writing release notes that, no, this is not a prelude to your change announcement. | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I'm open to suggestions there. Maybe improving the instructions in the template text would be a good first step? | 19:24 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Maybe. I'm just skeptical how many read past the section title, but maybe that would help. :) | 19:25 |
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| dhellmann | the other section names are configurable, but that one isn't because it's treated as a special case. Maybe I should change that. | 19:25 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Not important at all, so I'd say don't waste any cycles. There are certainly more important things. | 19:27 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: just a thought I had after needing to -1 a patch and thought I would share it. | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : but this one seems easier, so that makes it more appealing to work on | 19:27 |
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| smcginnis | ;) | 19:28 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : seriously, though, would you open a bug? I can give it to someone who has asked me for an easy way to contribute to reno | 19:33 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Sure! | 19:33 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : thanks | 19:33 |
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| mriedem | sileht: i'm confused about what's going on with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474455/ | 19:50 |
| mriedem | that's a unique change id | 19:50 |
| mriedem | i was looking for I62b9e09513e3ebfebc64a941d4b21b6c053b511d | 19:50 |
| mriedem | but i suppose that doesn't work because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466785/ on stable/ocata already had that change id | 19:52 |
| mriedem | and was merged and then reverted | 19:52 |
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| dims | dhellmann : Big +1 to "And for the record, from the TC's perspective, being a governed project has nothing to do with whether the participants are sponsors of the foundation. The minute it does, I will step down." | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | dims : yeah, I'm not sure where the cynicism about that came from | 20:01 |
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