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| pinip_ | how could i contribute to openstack operators "Continuous deployment " any help?? | 08:24 |
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| pinip_ | o/ | 08:25 |
| ttx | pinip_: what do you mean by contributing to operators "continuous deployment" ? Do you mean help improving the use case where deployers of openstack deploy per-commit ? | 08:29 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: yes,i had subscribed to openstack operators..i dont know how to proceed, i am a newbie. | 08:31 |
| ttx | pinip_: on the upstream side there is a deployment working group (contact: EmilienM) that you could join / ask questions to, if your idea is to contribute code | 08:32 |
| ttx | Otherwise you can ask the question by sending an email to openstack-operators list | 08:32 |
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| ttx | I know some of the working groups (like large deplyment or public cloud WG) are looking into that | 08:33 |
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| ttx | I don't know of a group specifically working on continuous deployment tooling though | 08:33 |
| ttx | that said i don't know /everything/ | 08:34 |
| pinip_ | ttx: is this kind of devops workflow.. | 08:34 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: EmilienM is jut away. | 08:35 |
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| ttx | yes he is on Pacific TZ | 08:35 |
| ttx | you can ask on the -dev mailing-list what's the status of deployment WG and if it would cover continuous deployment use cases | 08:36 |
| ttx | he will sure pick it up when he gets up | 08:36 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: what exactly i can sync to others,any process to be followed. | 08:38 |
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| ttx | no real process, explain what your problem is and what you want to do | 08:39 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: i want to contribute to continuous delivery ,may be the term devops.. | 08:41 |
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| ttx | As I said, you should write that in detail in an email and see who else wants to join your effort | 08:44 |
| ttx | due to the devops nature, I would post to openstack-operators | 08:45 |
| ttx | Pretty sure there will be others interested | 08:45 |
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| akmal | Hi, has anyone worked with nova-docker before? | 08:50 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: should i send email to openstack-operators list to send email? | 08:50 |
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| akmal | *has anyone worked with nova-docker in packstack before? | 08:51 |
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| ttx | pinip_: yes, just write to openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org (if you're already subscribed) | 08:58 |
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| pinip_ | ttx: ok | 09:04 |
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| mordred | efried_, cmurphy: please enjoy the nice new patch series that has resulted from me writing a paragraph on top of efried_'s doc change update | 12:48 |
| efried_ | mordred Just pulled that open. | 12:48 |
| cmurphy | mordred: glad to have a purpose in life again | 12:50 |
| mordred | cmurphy: :) | 12:50 |
| mordred | cmurphy: I wouldn't want you to think I didn't care | 12:50 |
| cmurphy | mordred: :) | 12:50 |
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| mordred | efried_: I think https://review.openstack.org/482743 is important for you for nova | 12:50 |
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| efried_ | mordred (and mebbe cmurphy morgan) Can I get some love on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478621/ ? Getting kinda moldy. | 12:50 |
| efried_ | mordred Agree. Although _everything_ you do is important for me :) | 12:51 |
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| efried_ | edleafe Note https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482710/4/doc/source/using-sessions.rst@192 | 13:14 |
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| edleafe | efried: cdent already mentioned that to me. I thought that each major version would be a separate endpoint | 13:17 |
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| efried | edleafe I know we're not talking about microversions here. I think the point of this is for the consumer to be able to say, "I know I can handle any API between <min> and <max> - give me whatever ya got in there." | 13:20 |
| efried | It might be unusual for a consumer to span major versions there, but I wouldn't think it should be forbidden. | 13:20 |
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| edleafe | efried: it didn't have to be microversions. | 13:23 |
| edleafe | efried: but if the intent is to return different major versions if available, then I'll withdraw the objection. | 13:24 |
| efried | edleafe I'll leave that for mordred to confirm. | 13:26 |
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| efried | mordred Here's a thing that makes major vs microversions really confusing: The fact that the discovery doc has [min_|max_]version and we convert that to {min|max}_microversion. Whereas the [min_|max_]version in the Adapter/endpoint_filter refers to the major version. | 13:32 |
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| mordred | uhoh | 13:43 |
| mordred | edleafe, efried: hrm. do you think we should rename {min,max}_version to {min,max}_api_version or {min,max}_major_version ? | 13:44 |
| mordred | we still haven't released so we can make that change if it'll reduce confusion | 13:44 |
| efried | mordred Yeah, I think that would help a lot. | 13:45 |
| mordred | edleafe: and yes - in this context min/max is talking about endopint discovery not microversions | 13:45 |
| efried | mordred What would be even better is if you could rename the fields in the discovery documents ;-) | 13:45 |
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| mordred | edleafe: so min/max _can_ refer to cross-major boundries (and in fact, that's the whole poit of them) | 13:45 |
| mordred | efried: would if I could! | 13:46 |
| mordred | efried: but in keystoneauth at least, we can avoid using min_version and max_version without qualifiers since both are new constructs | 13:46 |
| efried | But hell yeah, if none of the endpoint filter stuff has been released, it would definitely be a benefit to rename those guys across the board. | 13:46 |
| edleafe | mordred: ok, understood, and yes, using the same labels was the source of my confusion | 13:46 |
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| mordred | edleafe: any thoughts on whether min_api_version or min_major_version would be better? | 13:46 |
| edleafe | min_major_version isn't good, because you also include minor versions in that | 13:47 |
| edleafe | so min_api_version sounds better | 13:47 |
| efried | Agree, I think `api` is the lesser evil | 13:47 |
| edleafe | naming is hard | 13:48 |
| efried | In fact, I think the whole use of `major` in the doc could be reexamined. | 13:48 |
| efried | When I see "major version" I think "as opposed to minor version", where "X.Y" => X == major version and Y == minor version | 13:49 |
| efried | `api` is still evil, though, because microversions are still "API versions" | 13:49 |
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| efried | "Endpoint version" vs "API microversion" might be as clear as it gets. | 13:50 |
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| mordred | efried: min_endpoint_version | max_endpoint_version then? | 13:51 |
| mordred | edleafe: ^^ ? | 13:51 |
| mordred | cdent: ^^ you may want to weigh in on this one too | 13:51 |
| mordred | efried: if you do that giant patch - please on top of my current stack :) | 13:52 |
| efried | mordred Oh, not in a new patch set on each change in the stack? | 13:52 |
| efried | mordred BTW, the Adapter(version) param is already released, so can't be changed, true? Just have to doc it. | 13:54 |
| edleafe | mordred: that seems less sucky | 13:54 |
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| mordred | efried: nono - just don't make a conflicting patch | 14:00 |
| mordred | efried: yes - the 'version' param can't change - that's legacy | 14:00 |
| efried | ack | 14:00 |
| morgan | What mordred said | 14:01 |
| mordred | efried: but really people who are wanting to drive ksa discovery should just use min_endpoint_version and max_endpoint_version for clarify | 14:01 |
| mordred | maybe we should recommend that in the docs :) | 14:01 |
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| efried | mordred Well, you can't say everything with min/max_endpoint_version that you can with version. | 14:02 |
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| mordred | morgan, efried: I'm updating the api-wg consuming versions spec - and in it we use the term "fetch-version-information" where the keystoneauth flag is "discover_versions" - I'm thinking if we're about to do a rename pass real quick - maybe fetch_version_information is clearer as to what that flag controls? | 14:02 |
| mordred | efried: what can you say with version that you can't with min/max? | 14:02 |
| morgan | Maybe... | 14:02 |
| morgan | *shrug* | 14:02 |
| efried | mordred Unless we start supporting syntax like min_endpoint_version="2.0", max_endpoint_version="2.latest" | 14:03 |
| mordred | morgan: it's not super important - mostly want to make sure what we release is as clear as possible | 14:03 |
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| efried | mordred ...there's no way to say "anything within major version 2" because you don't necessarily know what the latest minor version is. | 14:03 |
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| morgan | I don't care what it is called as long as it is well documented | 14:03 |
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| mordred | morgan: kk. lemme read through some text in ksa and see which one sounds better | 14:03 |
| morgan | It could be called doggo_with_cheese and if it has docs, I'm happy | 14:04 |
| efried | mordred I agree about fetch_version_information | 14:04 |
| efried | discover_versions is... kinda what we're doing overall. | 14:04 |
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| mordred | morgan: for the above - do you have an opinion on supporting a request for 2.latest in major_endpoint_version? if we did, then we can write docs that say "just always use {min,max}_endpoint_version" - whereas if we don't we need to say "if you want one and only one major endpoint version use version, otherwise use min/max" ... I could go either way on it tbh | 14:05 |
| cmurphy | mordred: morgan question for you guys on efried's cleanup change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478621/1/keystoneauth1/access/service_catalog.py | 14:05 |
| morgan | Always use min/max | 14:06 |
| morgan | Dont do min_major_version that feels clunky | 14:06 |
| morgan | Clunkier than what we have by a long shot | 14:06 |
| mordred | morgan: ok - so I think we should support "2.latest" as a user request | 14:06 |
| morgan | Yah | 14:06 |
| morgan | That is fine | 14:06 |
| mordred | awesome | 14:06 |
| mordred | I tink that'll be cleanest | 14:06 |
| mordred | version will exist in the api for backwards compat - but we'll document "you should do X" | 14:07 |
| morgan | cmurphy: I can't view it atm, stupid mobile browser | 14:07 |
| morgan | cmurphy: ask here if you want and I can try and answer | 14:07 |
| cmurphy | morgan: it was about removing the 'self' argument from a staticmethod that was already released | 14:07 |
| morgan | Oh that | 14:07 |
| morgan | Ugh. | 14:07 |
| mordred | yah. just changed my review- thanks for catching that | 14:08 |
| morgan | Technically it is a contract break and not a security concern. We shouldnt fix that | 14:08 |
| morgan | But.. whatever | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/governance master: Update keystone goals for queens https://review.openstack.org/483000 | 15:05 |
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| mordred | edleafe, cdent, efried: updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405 - enjoy | 15:38 |
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| efried | Enjoying... | 15:38 |
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| mordred | efried: I had an idea of how to collapse the discussion around single vs. multiple and single-requested vs. range requested | 15:40 |
| mordred | efried: but I'm trying to decide if I actually want to do that edit or not | 15:40 |
| efried | mordred Sorry, not sure what you're referring to. | 15:41 |
| efried | I mean, it sounds familiar, but... | 15:41 |
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| efried | mordred Are you talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459405/27/guidelines/consuming-catalog.rst@94 ? | 16:07 |
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| bodgix | hello. I'm looking for a Workflow +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478525/ please | 16:50 |
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| morgan | Hmm. Anyone seen rockyg today? | 18:49 |
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| cdent | efried: “The user isn't an error, despite what cdent may think.” | 19:47 |
| cdent | ouch, yo, I fight for the users | 19:48 |
| efried | That's *me* fighting for the users. | 19:48 |
| efried | You're the one claiming they're errors! | 19:48 |
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| cdent | did I write that? /me feels aged | 19:50 |
| cdent | surely it is mordred; we all know he hates users, that’s why he’s writing all this stuff | 19:51 |
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| mordred | cdent: it's my way of showing my hate | 19:57 |
| cdent | damn you, I will make you read and read and read | 19:58 |
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