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| fungi | aww, i missed the geeking out on keyboards discussion earlier | 01:38 |
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| fungi | fwiw, while i do have an ibm model m on hand, i mostly use a ducky shine ii keyboard with cherry mx blue tactile click mechanical switches to which i have manually added two rubber grommets per key to reduce travel and cushion better on bottom-out | 01:39 |
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| fungi | though i adorned it with a bunch of custom keycaps from wasd because... why not? | 01:39 |
| fungi | the grommeting also seems to help minimize the noise levels from those mx blues | 01:41 |
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| fungi | i do use the mx clear tactile bump instead on my mobile keyers, mainly so as not to annoy people around me with so much clicking | 01:42 |
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| ldl | Hi, everyone. | 03:09 |
| ldl | who can help me with this ? | 03:09 |
| ldl | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/109658/how-to-develop-the-dashboard-if-i-installed-the-ha-openstack/ | 03:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/governance master: Add solum-tempest-plugin to solum project https://review.openstack.org/494065 | 03:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhurong proposed openstack/governance master: Add solum-tempest-plugin to solum project https://review.openstack.org/494065 | 03:16 |
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| ttx | notmyname: I'm using MX Browns on my current keyboard (Ducky zero). Want to try a tenkeyless (with a US keyboard layout). | 07:39 |
| ttx | notmyname: I confirm you're using the CODE (the v2 doesn't have backlighting) | 07:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/governance master: Refresh Pike goals status for Ironic https://review.openstack.org/491754 | 13:31 |
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| cdent | mtreinish: I pushed up a unit test fix on your change for the glance uwsgi chunked read. Can probably be cleaned up a bit. I also accidentally gave myself authorship, local config was wrong./ | 13:58 |
| jroll | this is a neat take on API versioning: https://stripe.com/blog/api-versioning | 13:59 |
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| mtreinish | cdent: no worries, I have to push a new rev anyway to remove the broken log message. I'll update the authorship and add you as co-author when I do that | 14:22 |
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| cdent | jroll: yeah, I linked that into the sdks channel yesterday saying “strip does microversions! (sort of)” | 14:24 |
| cdent | jroll: how’s the life and gig? | 14:24 |
| jroll | cdent: life is good, busy, exciting, ya know :) | 14:24 |
| jroll | how's things over here? | 14:24 |
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| cdent | the same and different all at once | 14:25 |
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| jroll | heh | 14:26 |
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| cdent | efried++ | 14:29 |
| * efried bows | 14:29 | |
| cdent | now that I actually know that, it has triggered my memory of knowing that | 14:30 |
| cdent | memory is meh | 14:30 |
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| efried | cdent I admit I didn't know it beforehand, just knew there had to be a way. There ensued google, stackoverflow, and local ipython noodling... | 14:32 |
| cdent | as it does | 14:32 |
| cdent | I think I’ll learn to rely on this pattern: do something lame, efried comes along later and notices I’m being terribly lazy and fixes it | 14:33 |
| * cdent engages lame-mode | 14:33 | |
| efried | cdent :) | 14:33 |
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| efried | cdent mordred What did we decide to do with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484011/ ? | 14:36 |
| cdent | efried: I think that’s still unresolved | 14:36 |
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| efried | I believe it's going to need to be unwound from its now-abandoned parent, assuming we're moving forward with it. | 14:36 |
| cdent | it doesn’t have quite the same history as swift, so the arguments are not quite the same | 14:37 |
| efried | Who has the next comeback on it? | 14:37 |
| efried | The senlin team seems to be on board. | 14:37 |
| efried | dhellmann ? | 14:37 |
| * mordred is happy with whatever as long as we wind up with urls that match | 14:38 | |
| cdent | I need to look in history, just a sec | 14:38 |
| mordred | however, at this point, even though this is gonna sound silly, I think resource-cluster needs to be added to the alias list | 14:39 |
| mordred | since that's been published in the STA | 14:39 |
| cdent | was it made resource-cluster in the first place because of the grammar rules? | 14:40 |
| mordred | yah | 14:40 |
| mordred | so - actually - their devstack plugin sets things up as "clustering" which is also wha their api-ref docs get published as | 14:41 |
| mordred | maybe we just revert all the way back to clustering and make life easy of folks? | 14:41 |
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| cdent | yeah, I was just looking at the devstack plugin too | 14:42 |
| efried | And the guidelines are for new entries | 14:42 |
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| cdent | I’m personally okay with that, but there was a _lot_ of kerfuffle over the creation and alignment with those guidelines | 14:42 |
| cdent | we should find those people who kerfuffled, and see if they still do. I’m not clear on who they were | 14:43 |
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| cdent | efriend, if memory serves there was debate associated with the naming of senlin’s type because of ambiguity | 14:45 |
| cdent | efried, sigh | 14:45 |
| efried | cdent (I like that typo better than `efired`) | 14:46 |
| efried | cdent The debate over possible ambiguity happened in the change set itself, I thought. | 14:46 |
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| efried | As for the guidelines, I could dig that up if I had to... | 14:46 |
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| cdent | I’m not sure how much effort it’s worth. I think if there a devstack plugin that exists before STA existed, that’s a pretty powerful precedent | 14:48 |
| cdent | I’ll go now to check that the plugin docs point to sta so that people who are creating new services have a reference | 14:48 |
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| efried | But the purpose of aliases is to allow those precedents to continue working, while we make the "official" service type conform to the guidelines we so painstakingly composed. | 14:49 |
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| efried | cdent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286090/ doesn't have a whole lot of violent debate in it. | 14:55 |
| cdent | there’s a little bit in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461221/ | 14:56 |
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| efried | cdent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436187/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436185/ also do things, but no discussion there. | 14:58 |
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| cdent | efried I think we could perhaps confirm with dhellmann and jaypipes but if they don’t care, I think we should let precedents stick (making sure that we alias anything already published by the sta) | 14:59 |
| efried | cdent Anyway, it looks to me like jaypipes is the guy we would want to weigh in. | 14:59 |
| efried | yeah, what you said. | 14:59 |
| cdent | jin | 14:59 |
| cdent | x | 14:59 |
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| cdent | efried, mordred : devstack change to doc existence of sta: https://review.openstack.org/494236 | 15:03 |
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| efried | cdent Nice. | 15:04 |
| efried | cdent So in the case of senlin, what are we talking about? Making `clustering` the official service type; and adding resource-cluster as an(other) alias? And at the same time updating the naming guidelines in the README to say something like, "If you see a service type that doesn't conform to these rules, it's there for historical reasons, so stfu." | 15:05 |
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| cdent | that sounds about right, yeah, especially the last part | 15:05 |
| mordred | yah | 15:06 |
| mordred | those guidlines are largely for new projects | 15:06 |
| mordred | while we CAN change old projects, and we have python libs to help us to that smoothly - it's still pain for people so we shouldn't do it indiscriminately | 15:07 |
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| efried | cdent mordred See comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484011/ | 15:12 |
| efried | I can propose the patches. | 15:12 |
| cdent | yup, good, agree | 15:12 |
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| efried | cdent mordred https://review.openstack.org/494241 | 15:23 |
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| efried | cdent mordred and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484011/4 | 15:27 |
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| mordred | efried: I left a nit on the first one | 15:31 |
| efried | mordred That was me being lazy ("pulling a cdent"?) | 15:32 |
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| cdent | ouch! | 15:32 |
| mordred | efried: :) | 15:32 |
| efried | cdent Only joshing. You know I love you. | 15:32 |
| mordred | efried: maybe move it to right below the title of that section too | 15:32 |
| mordred | so that someone has to read the note before the rules | 15:33 |
| cdent | mordred: is the readme offically published? or just rendered on github (and not on git.o.o)? | 15:33 |
| efried | mordred Yeah, considered that too. I like it. | 15:33 |
| cdent | and if only github, does not note even work there? | 15:33 |
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| mordred | cdent: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/service-types-authority/ | 15:35 |
| mordred | which is linked to from https://service-types.openstack.org/ | 15:35 |
| cdent | oh cool, I knew about the service-types.o.o but had missed the memo on the specs link | 15:36 |
| mordred | cdent: however - note does not seem to work on github: https://github.com/openstack/service-types-authority#aliases-optional - which is sad | 15:36 |
| cdent | I shall update the devstack patch then | 15:36 |
| mordred | woot! | 15:36 |
| mordred | jroll: neat! | 15:37 |
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| efried | mordred Done. | 15:40 |
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| ttx | cdent: I signed you up to lead the API WG^WSIG room at the PTG | 16:15 |
| cdent | yup,thanks | 16:15 |
| cdent | in an unusual turn of events, all three of the cores will be there | 16:15 |
| ttx | Would anyone be interested in leading a "Upgrading" room ? We reserved space for "Skip-level upgrading" but nobody really signed up to lead that | 16:15 |
| ttx | So we are considering dropping it | 16:16 |
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| cdent | ttx have you heard anything from johnthetubaguy of late, I think he’s only just coming back up to speed, don’t know if he’s making the PTG or not but if he is, he might be interested? | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | cdent I'm pretty sure he's going :) | 16:19 |
| cdent | yay! | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Last I heard anyway :) But yeah, just getting back into the swing of things. | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I think he'll be leading the VM& Baremtal WG though. | 16:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | So cdent you're on call for leading the API wg ;) | 16:20 |
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| cdent | diablo_rojo_phon: my comment re john was about the upgrading room, I’m totally on board for the api wg room…upgrading fits, sort of, in the vm&b wg…? | 16:21 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | cdent: ohhhh my mistake. | 16:22 |
| * cdent blames the phon ;) | 16:22 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I think we were looking at having upgrading separate from the VM&b room | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | cdent: more three convos and a meeting at once than the phone ;) | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Skip level upgrading was the biggest issue ops raised at the meetup. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I think we need to find a way to at least discuss that. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Probably overbooked already, but with the importance there I can try to moderate if absolutely needed. | 16:25 |
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| ttx | OK, I put your name on it, your mission is to motivate someone else to take it now | 16:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Delegation :) | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: ;) | 16:33 |
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| ssbarnea | can someone help me with a set of working dependencies for shade? see https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001157 | 18:13 |
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| clarkb | ssbarnea: is that the full traceback? I just pip installed shade and it works. same versions of all the libs you listed | 18:16 |
| clarkb | hoping there is more to the traceback to help debug it | 18:16 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: https://gist.github.com/ssbarnea/199acd7aba0e9b03d49395d241141bf2 | 18:17 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: right but is that the full traceback? | 18:18 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: i tried different scenarios but so far it seems impossible to get the magic mix to make "import shade" not to raise an error. | 18:18 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: refersh the gist, I added one of the error. | 18:20 |
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| clarkb | ssbarnea: I would look into your os_client_config installation | 18:21 |
| clarkb | perhaps it is broken? | 18:21 |
| clarkb | or maybe you are looking at two different python envs? | 18:21 |
| clarkb | one way to test that would be to make a new virtualenv and install shade to see if it works. Then you know it is likely something with the other env | 18:22 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: looks broken to me, I removed and reinstalled it and I got another exception: "ImportError: No module named positional". But | 18:22 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: https://gist.github.com/ssbarnea/910ca08288437058322c4eb5316bda66 | 18:23 |
| clarkb | ssbarnea: right I think something is broken in your python env | 18:23 |
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| clarkb | so curious if a virtualenv works | 18:23 |
| ssbarnea | clarkb: that's not even a venv! sadly thats one of the build slaves. | 18:24 |
| clarkb | yes I know | 18:24 |
| clarkb | but you can use a virtuaelnv to test | 18:24 |
| clarkb | my hunch is that because on red hat distros yum and pip must share install dirs that one or the other broke things | 18:24 |
| clarkb | you might be able to repair that by force reinstalling everything | 18:25 |
| mordred | ssbarnea, clarkb: looking | 18:25 |
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| mordred | yah- if yum/rpm and pip are co-mingled, things can break quickly - it's highly unrecommended to mix the two | 18:27 |
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| mordred | cause yah - those tracebacks look like a completely hosed environment | 18:27 |
| ssbarnea | mordred: clarkb I think I managed to make it work... after multiple-removal-and-reinstallation of 3-4 modules. | 18:30 |
| mordred | ssbarnea: I agree with clarkb in terms of next steps - I'd first try creating a virtualenv and installing in that to verify that installing in a clean environment works for you | 18:30 |
| mordred | ssbarnea: oh good! | 18:30 |
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| mordred | ssbarnea: which modules? I would love to know how your environment got wedged | 18:30 |
| ssbarnea | i will do a pip freeze and compare the results. still there was something very strange on this system: i had to do python uninstall 3 times for some of the packages. | 18:30 |
| ssbarnea | mordred: probably due to combination of yum install and pip install ... | 18:31 |
| ssbarnea | mainly what happens is that "pip install xxx" reports package as installed, but if you do "import xxx" it will fail. | 18:32 |
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| ssbarnea | ... and now the worst part: pip freeze reports the same output before having the problem fixes and after, making it useless. | 18:35 |
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| mordred | ssbarnea: yah - this is one of the main issues with mixed pip/rpm install on same system :( | 18:38 |
| ssbarnea | mordred: a real problem on RHEL, where they do go to the same destination. I didn't have this kind of issue on Debian, where packager installs them in different location than pip. | 18:39 |
| ssbarnea | mordred: i am wondering if there is a way to avoid the problem, or at least to detect when the setup becomes brokened. | 18:40 |
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| ssbarnea | mordred: i could loop over all installed packages and see if I can import them.... sounds silly but seems necessary. | 18:40 |
| ssbarnea | `pip check` used to do a good thing, but in this case it does not. maybe I should write a `pip supercheck` | 18:41 |
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| clarkb | use debuntu or vitualenvs to avoid it | 18:47 |
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| ssbarnea | clarkb: ... not really an option for me, i cannot upset the shadowman | 19:05 |
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| fungi | ssbarnea: we go to great pains on our minimal images for our ci to avoid installing any distro-packaged python libs | 19:15 |
| fungi | you never know when one is going to conflict with something you subsequently might try to pip install into the system context | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | good news smcginnis I heard back from lyarwood about leading the skip-level convos at the ptg | 19:16 |
| fungi | ssbarnea: though for me personally, i never pip install into the system context even on debian. i only ever use pip in conjunction with virtualenv for added safety/isolation | 19:16 |
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| ssbarnea | fungi: i have a good reason for installing them at system level, because I need a machine where ansible is preinstalled and working. | 19:17 |
| fungi | ssbarnea: but the distro python libs avoidance is, for example, the main reason we invented the glean utility... so that we wouldn't have to install cloud-init's dependencies system-wide | 19:17 |
| fungi | ssbarnea: ansible can also work from a virtualenv | 19:18 |
| fungi | i pip install it into them all the time | 19:18 |
| ssbarnea | fungi: I cannot use nested virtualenvs. | 19:18 |
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| fungi | nested virtualenvs? | 19:18 |
| ssbarnea | fungi: some of the tasks running may generate their own virtualenvs, but some not. | 19:18 |
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| fungi | i'm not even sure what a nested virtualenv would be | 19:19 |
| fungi | i mean, on my systems virtualenv is itself installed into a virtualenv and i invoke it from there | 19:19 |
| fungi | you don't have to "activate" a virtualenv to run things from it | 19:19 |
| fungi | as long as you invoke whatever executable you want from it by its full pathname | 19:20 |
| fungi | so e.g. `/opt/venvs/ansible/bin/ansible blah blah` | 19:23 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Oh, excellent. Was just thinking about posting to the ML to try to get some support for that. | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, lyarwood is planning on sending something out before the end of the week but I am sure he wouldn't object to help :) | 19:28 |
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| ssbarnea | fungi: the problem is more complex than that (...). Anyway, I was able to find a way to validate python environment and I will include this in the sanity checks, maybe even add a new feature to pip for testing these. What matters more is that these kind of failures are often overlooked and they hit you many days later, it is much better to validate environment and be proactive. | 19:36 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: +1 | 19:42 |
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