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| maharg101 | sorry if this isn't directly a dev question - Does anyone know if live migration of in-use Cinder volumes from LVM to RBD will be possible in the near term ? https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/migration.html suggests not, but I thought someone here might have an insight. Thanks ! | 12:53 |
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| smcginnis | maharg101: I don't believe so, but not sure of all the technical details there. I think it has something to do with the different connectivity protocols being an issue. | 13:07 |
| smcginnis | maharg101: You could try asking in #openstack-cinder. There may be some folks more knowledgable on RBD than I am. | 13:07 |
| mordred | smcginnis: bah. you know everything | 13:08 |
| maharg101 | smcginnis: thanks | 13:08 |
| maharg101 | mordred: lol | 13:08 |
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| smcginnis | mordred: :P | 13:08 |
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| maharg101 | well I'll head on over to #openstack-cinder and see if mordred is right :) thanks guys | 13:09 |
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| lbragstad | mriedem we have a couple upgrade check questions | 15:17 |
| lbragstad | keystone has a thing called doctor (keystone-manage doctor) that inspects your configuration and gives recommendations | 15:17 |
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| lbragstad | we're wondering if 1.) we're supposed to write upgrade checks for things like removed configuration options 2.) is that something we should do as a doctor check or an upgrade check with a warning? | 15:19 |
| lbragstad | since it won't technically prevent the service from starting, but it is an opportunity for operators to cleanup their configs | 15:20 |
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| mriedem | lbragstad: one sec, just wrapping up a very important professional business call | 15:49 |
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| lbragstad | ack | 15:50 |
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| mriedem | lbragstad: i don't think the upgrade checks are needed for checking config, | 16:00 |
| mriedem | oslo.config already emits warnings if you're using deprecated config | 16:00 |
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| lbragstad | mriedem sure - deprecated configs | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | but there isn't the intention to use upgrade checks to maintaining clean configuration files? | 16:01 |
| mriedem | we haven't thought about using them that way in nova at least | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | if i set keystone.conf [token] foo=bar, if foo was a deprecated and removed foo is ignored | 16:02 |
| mriedem | otherwise you'll have per-release checks for config that was removed over time, which will get crufty | 16:02 |
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| lbragstad | yeah - exactly | 16:02 |
| mriedem | there is also a thing to kill a service on startup if it's using deprecated config | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | yeah - right that's fine | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | i was specifically wondering about once we're past that point | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | or if we don't really care about crufty configuration files? | 16:04 |
| mriedem | i don't really care about stuff in config that's not used | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:04 |
| mriedem | as long as it doesn't break an upgrade | 16:04 |
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| lbragstad | that's a relatively rare case for us since we just remove the configuration option all together and if it's defined in the configuration file, it's just ignored | 16:05 |
| mriedem | i mean, i can see your argument though, | 16:05 |
| mriedem | let's say for FFU, | 16:05 |
| mriedem | i'm on mitaka, an option is deprecated in newton, and dropped in pike, and i'm FFUing to pike, i could have missed the config option deprecation window and now on startup in pike maybe my config hasn't switched to the alternative i should be using for the now-removed option | 16:06 |
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| lbragstad | yeah... | 16:07 |
| mriedem | i also thought someone was working on something in oslo.config for automatically doing those translations for deprecated configs | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | i know you can alias things in oslo.config | 16:07 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520043/ | 16:07 |
| mriedem | is what i'm thinking of | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | so if you were still defining the old configuration option, it gets reference by the new thing if the new thing isn't defined | 16:07 |
| mriedem | sure but that alias is gone once you drop the deprecated option | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | nevermind then - i suppose that doesn't matter once you hit pike in your example | 16:08 |
| mriedem | well in my example, that's a case for what you're asking for, | 16:09 |
| mriedem | the upgrade checks to say, in a pike check, "oh you're still using this now removed option, kaboom" | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | i mean - it could be even more generalized | 16:10 |
| mriedem | but i guess it depends on the option - if it's removed functionality, then it's just a noop, but if it was a deprecation/rename to a new option and something had to be done at the same time during the upgrade, then i could see justification for an upgrade check | 16:10 |
| mriedem | might want to get operator feedback on what they would find useful | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | if you have an oslo config object that has all the things registered, anything that is defined in the config file that isn't in the configuration object, is cruft | 16:11 |
| mriedem | especially given it looks like oslo is considering a config migrator tool https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520043/ | 16:11 |
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| lbragstad | hmm | 16:11 |
| mriedem | iow, i don't know how much time operations teams are having to spend reading upgrade release notes per project to see which options are deprecated/removed and having to update their deploy scripts | 16:12 |
| mriedem | i mean, they are going to have to do that work anyway to upgrade | 16:12 |
| mriedem | the upgrade check is the automated way of saying you didn't read the release notes / didn't do your homework | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | true - i know we add release notes for all deprecated and removed things, especially configuration options | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | so maybe it isn't a huge deal to implement something like this | 16:14 |
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| lbragstad | i guess i was looking for a nail here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608785/ | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | i might just remove the checks in there until we get something that's actually useful for operators and implement that | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | cc: cmurphy ^ | 16:17 |
| mriedem | lbragstad: oh like rather than the noops, throw in a check for a removed option from rocky for example? | 16:21 |
| mriedem | or stein if you have one | 16:21 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | we have one | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/598467/ | 16:22 |
| mriedem | hell you could just have a generic check that runs all the time and is just a growing list of removed config options | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | which is why i was asking about if we wanted to check for removed configuration options :) | 16:22 |
| mriedem | like i said, i'd probably only throw things in there if they would cause failures or changes in behavior, not so much for noop dead code for stuff that's just no longer supported | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | yeah - which is what those are since they were options for v2.0isms | 16:23 |
| mriedem | right | 16:23 |
| mriedem | i'd be more worried about that FFU example i gave | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | in that example though, the functionality moves to another option, right? | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | at least how i understood it | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | and the concerning part is upgrading past the transitional period | 16:24 |
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| mriedem | lbragstad: yeah | 17:46 |
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| vishwanathj | hello, I have installed the 3.15.0 version of openstack client.....however, i do not see the "openstack stack" commands supported...is there anything I need to do explicitly to install the support for stack commands | 18:17 |
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| cmurphy | vishwanathj: you also need to install python-heatclient, it's a plugin | 18:20 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem, lbragstad, bnemec : checking for the use of deprecated config options seems like something we could do in a central place. maybe something in oslo.config that could be called from individual checker programs? | 23:23 |
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