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| mattoliverau | zhaochao: I've added you as a review to a trove patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/633769/1 as it's their first patch and your up as a liason with the First Contact SIG :) | 05:23 |
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| mattoliverau | strigazi: I've also added you to a Magnum client patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/632384 as it's also their first patch and your listed as FC Sig liason, thanks ;) | 05:30 |
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| mattoliverau | wanghao: same goes for you with qatar patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/631918 | 05:36 |
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| mattoliverau | gmann: I've beat you to a Nova one, and added you to: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/631446 ;) | 05:40 |
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| gmann | mattoliverau: thanks, I will check that | 05:43 |
| mattoliverau | ta :) | 05:44 |
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| itzikb | Hi, I'm getting an error when during devstack installation http://paste.openstack.org/show/744233/ | 08:20 |
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| itzikb | tosky: hi, Have you seen an error such as http://paste.openstack.org/show/744233/ ? | 09:14 |
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| tosky | itzikb: no, I did not | 09:18 |
| tosky | where? | 09:18 |
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| itzikb | tosky: when installating devstack | 09:21 |
| tosky | itzikb: that's "when" :) - on which distribution? | 09:22 |
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| itzikb | tosky: CentOS 7.6 | 09:25 |
| tosky | itzikb: fully updated? | 09:26 |
| itzikb | tosky: yeah | 09:26 |
| itzikb | tosky: need to go . will ping you soon | 09:26 |
| tosky | itzikb: someone on #openstack-requirements yesterday mentioned this: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-requirements/%23openstack-requirements.2019-01-29.log.html#t2019-01-29T09:11:26 | 09:26 |
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| tosky | but the error seems to be different | 09:26 |
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| itzikb | tosky: It seems the same | 09:45 |
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| itzikb | lennyb: ping | 09:46 |
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| lennyb | itzikb: hi | 09:58 |
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| itzikb | lennyb: hey. what's up? congrts :-) Did you have some problem installing devstack on CentOS 7.6? | 09:59 |
| lennyb | yes. do you need workaround? | 10:01 |
| lennyb | itzikb: what congrats for? | 10:02 |
| lennyb | itzikb: add REQUIREMENTS_BRANCH=refs/changes/58/632658/4 to local.conf on CentOS7.6 | 10:03 |
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| itzikb | lennyb: Thanks! seems like it solved it | 10:37 |
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| aspiers | dhellmann: Hey :-) mtreinish and I were wondering what was the motivation behind adding --debug to cliff and hiding backtraces by default? | 10:42 |
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| aspiers | dhellmann: It led to what I found to be pretty confusing behaviour in stestr: https://github.com/mtreinish/stestr/issues/220 | 10:42 |
| aspiers | (in this case, an stestr run invocation just output "min() arg is an empty sequence" and then exited) | 10:43 |
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| dhellmann | aspiers : because stack traces aren't a good experience for users of normal applications | 15:29 |
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| priteau | Hello. What is the recommended way of setting a lower constraint for a new library dependency added during the Stein cycle? Should we pick the latest released version or try to find the earliest version that is really required? | 16:21 |
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| aspiers | dhellmann: sure, but isn't the answer to that to fix the bugs? I think it's a worse experience for users when they are presented with a cryptic error which looks like it's something they are supposed to understand and may have caused themselves | 16:24 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: if it's a stack trace, it's clear to them that it's a bug which they can then report | 16:24 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: for that reason I think it's more "honest" (for lack of a better word) not to hide the trace | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I agree that you should fix the bugs in stestr. :-) | 16:26 |
| aspiers | X-D | 16:26 |
| aspiers | In this case, I really did wonder for a while whether it was my fault for doing something stupid and that as a user I was expected to understand what "min() arg is an empty sequence" meant | 16:27 |
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| aspiers | Now it turns out that I did actually do something stupid ;-) but nevertheless that triggered a bug rather than a user-friendly error message | 16:28 |
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| mtreinish | aspiers: based on dhellmann's comment on the github issue about this, I just pushed https://github.com/mtreinish/stestr/pull/221 to turn on --debug by default for stestr at least | 16:29 |
| aspiers | mtreinish: +1 | 16:29 |
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| aspiers | dhellmann: here's a better idea (maybe) https://github.com/mtreinish/stestr/issues/220#issuecomment-459015656 | 16:42 |
| aspiers | mtreinish: obviously keen to hear your feedback too :) | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | aspiers : it might be challenging to differentiate between an unhandled exception and an exception that does actually mean there is just an error to report | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | if we had done that from the start, we could say something like errors need to use a specific cliff exception type | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | where were you 5 years ago when I was designing this? :-) | 16:52 |
| aspiers | haha sorry ;-) | 16:52 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: this might be a stupid question, but do you have any examples of errors raised in cliff consumers which are not bugs? | 16:53 |
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| dhellmann | any error an application might reasonably report, like "I can't do X because condition Y exists" | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | "I can't delete that thing, it doesn't exist" (although that one is questionable I guess) | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | "I can't show you the details of X because I can't find it" | 16:55 |
| aspiers | playing devil's advocate, I'd argue that the application should catch all of those and exit cleanly | 16:55 |
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| aspiers | but yeah, there's a backwards-compatibility issue here | 16:56 |
| aspiers | still, that could be solved via configuration | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | the goal was to make it so the application didn't *need* to do that, the framework would do it for them | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | we could do something like define a handled_exception_base value, which if set allows cliff to have the behavior you describe | 17:01 |
| aspiers | well, it's a noble intention ;-) but as you say the framework can't differentiate between the two by itself | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | no existing apps would have it set, so they would continue to work the same way | 17:01 |
| aspiers | yes exactly | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | so I'd be fine with an approach like that | 17:01 |
| * aspiers waits for the inevitable "patches welcome" ;-p | 17:02 | |
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| * dhellmann was trying to be more subtle than that ;-) | 17:02 | |
| aspiers | oh look! it's time for the self-healing meeting - gotta dash. how convenient! ;-) | 17:02 |
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| aspiers | hehe | 17:02 |
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| efried | Hey folks. I have a question about introducing a (soft) dependency on a REST service that's outside the scope of openstack. | 22:07 |
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| efried | So there's this service, let's call it RMD for the sake of discussion, that runs on a host. | 22:08 |
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| efried | And I want to make a project, let's say nova for the sake of discussion, talk to it. | 22:08 |
| efried | Normally when nova talks to a service like glance or placement or ironic, the creds are set up through keystoneauth config options, and we use a ksa adapter as a shim around a requests.session. | 22:09 |
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| efried | but RMD, not being an openstack service, wouldn't know how to talk this way. | 22:10 |
| efried | so do we just use a regular ol' session? Do we write a shim as an openstack project (openstack/rmd) that talks ksa out one end and RMD out the other? Is there precedent for either/both? Is one preferred? or is there something else entirely that we should be doing? or is this all just a pipe dream and I should go cry in my beer? | 22:12 |
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