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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/governance-sigs master: Set Ansible SIG URL to wiki https://review.opendev.org/697314 | 16:06 |
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| ayoung | gmann, https://pagure.io/openstack-access-policy for the policy Popup | 17:05 |
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| ayoung | I added it as a reference to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Consistent_and_Secure_Default_Policies_Popup_Team#References | 17:05 |
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| gmann | ayoung: thanks. | 17:10 |
| gmann | ayoung: OSP10 was based on Newton right ? | 17:12 |
| ayoung | gmann, Um...if you ever have that question.... | 17:12 |
| ayoung | https://adam.younglogic.com/2015/11/translating-between-rdorhos-and-upstream-openstack-releases/ | 17:13 |
| gmann | sure, that will be good to refer. | 17:13 |
| ayoung | I totally wanted to call U Umami before it had an official name | 17:13 |
| ayoung | Since the V summit is in San Francisco, I assume the release will be called Victorville or something | 17:13 |
| ayoung | Anyway, we can totally update the base policy files in there. Those are old. I would love to get them ready for OSP 16/Train, as that is what is going to be our next long term release...and we'll be living with that for a while | 17:14 |
| gmann | :). V summit is in Vancouver. | 17:15 |
| gmann | yeah, I am targeting Ussuri cycle for Nova but for other project it may take time | 17:15 |
| ayoung | Nova is the big one | 17:16 |
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| ayoung | I had an abandonded approach back when we did is_admin_project: | 17:16 |
| ayoung | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/384148/ | 17:17 |
| ayoung | It is probably wrong by now, especially for later APIs, but it gave a first stab at what API should be scoped to global admininstrators vs project scoped admins | 17:18 |
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| ayoung | Anyway, I am out of the full-time-engineer role these days, but willing to help move the needle on this one. | 17:19 |
| ayoung | I still have one copy of the t-shirt that says "Closes-Bug: #968696" but if you get it knocked out for nova, I'll print up another copy. | 17:20 |
| openstack | bug 968696 in Glance ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 | 17:20 |
| gmann | ok. these are the 6 set of roles we are targeting for Nova - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/645452/17/nova/policies/base.py@31 | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | Please drop the term "owner" as it is confusing | 17:21 |
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| ayoung | owner makes sense in Barbican and Keystone, where we have objects owned by individuals | 17:22 |
| ayoung | in Nova and the rest, all objects are owned by the projects | 17:22 |
| ayoung | ah...I misread that...you are doing it...cool | 17:22 |
| gmann | yeah | 17:22 |
| ayoung | I suggest you drop _OR_SYSTEM_ADMIN from the names... | 17:23 |
| ayoung | redundant. System admin can do pretty much anything | 17:23 |
| gmann | time taking things are test coverage of existing policy to see how the changes looks like | 17:23 |
| ayoung | PROJECT_MEMBER implies PROJECT_ADMIN implies SYSTEM_ADMIN in a DAG | 17:23 |
| ayoung | I have the "implies" direction wrong there.... | 17:24 |
| gmann | yeah but those two are mainly if we want to give access to resource project along with system like lock its own server | 17:24 |
| ayoung | SYSTEM_ADMIN implies PROJECT_ADMIN .., you think I would know better | 17:24 |
| ayoung | But there is no way to do PROJECT_MEMBER without SYSTEM_ADMIN, so the name is kindof misleading | 17:24 |
| ayoung | Won't break anything, but it leads to complex rules | 17:25 |
| ayoung | go take a look at what henrynash originally wrote in the cloudsample policy file for Keystone and you will see what I mean | 17:25 |
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| ayoung | So I would like to eventually have a common header for those kind of roles | 17:27 |
| gmann | ok. i will check that. mainly we want to make it with OR for example: project booted the server can lock the server along with system admin. | 17:27 |
| ayoung | it should not be on each and every project to define the global roles | 17:27 |
| gmann | yeah we need to maintain the consistency | 17:28 |
| ayoung | when I was doing this full time, I came to the conclusion that we needed to think of policy in 3 levels. First is the role the user has in the organization. Second is the set of workflows they need to execute, third is the individual APIs they need to call to do thiose workflows | 17:28 |
| ayoung | ideally, a user should be able to delegate all the way down to the individual API level | 17:28 |
| ayoung | that was the reason for the implied-roles work in the Keystone server: | 17:29 |
| ayoung | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/backlog/implied-roles.html | 17:29 |
| ayoung | so if I have an app cred or some other delegated entity, I should be able to grant that entity only the powere necessary to perform the tasks I want it to. | 17:30 |
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| ayoung | Maybe create an openstack-common-access library. It should be separate from oslo-policy, as that is just a rules engine | 17:31 |
| ayoung | although we do have a role: rule in there, but that seems more like an abstraction leak | 17:31 |
| ayoung | I guess it would not be the worst thing for the base rules to be in oslo, but your call... | 17:31 |
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| ayoung | Personally, I want something like Istio in front of all of the APIs to check policy. But I'm a dreamer and a quitter. | 17:32 |
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| gmann | I understand your point. May be once i encounter the more nova policies for such combined role then i can check and change. similarly for other project too. if most of them can be done via common rules then it make sense to have in common place | 17:34 |
| ayoung | Cool | 17:35 |
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