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| Dan_Fineberg | Hello. | 17:00 |
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| barrett | Hi | 17:00 |
| eglute | #startmeeting diversity | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 17 17:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity' | 17:00 |
| spotz | hey | 17:00 |
| eglute | hello everyone, raise your hand if you are here for the meeting! o/ | 17:00 |
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| spotz | o/ | 17:01 |
| Dan_Fineberg | o/ | 17:01 |
| barrett | o/ | 17:01 |
| eglute | #chair barrett | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: barrett eglute | 17:01 |
| saracarl | hello! | 17:01 |
| barrett | Hi All | 17:02 |
| barrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.11 | 17:02 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 17:02 |
| jroll | \o | 17:02 |
| eglute | please review the agenda and add | 17:03 |
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| eglute | there was a lot of communication on the mailing list about the community survey | 17:04 |
| eglute | can someone summarize? | 17:04 |
| barrett | Yes, Roland wants final feedback by end of day tomorrow. | 17:05 |
| barrett | There are 2 things he's been covering in the emails. | 17:05 |
| barrett | 1st is the intro email which will go with the Survey link. The text for that is in the Etherpad | 17:05 |
| barrett | If people want to edit there, I will send back to Roland at the end of this meeting | 17:06 |
| barrett | I think the jist is that he is setting the context and letting people know it's OK to answer only the questions they are comfortable with | 17:06 |
| eglute | here i the draft of the survey: #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19P117V1OxZgRuPP6S2nwNCH6cC6v0jwwAaFswwLNqTc/edit | 17:07 |
| barrett | On the Survey, I think it has the basic info that we've discussed. | 17:07 |
| saracarl | where should we send feedback on it (I don't like the order of questions, for instance) | 17:07 |
| barrett | saracarl: You can respond to Roland's emails to the ML | 17:08 |
| saracarl | (um, don't like = "have suggestions to improve") | 17:08 |
| eglute | saracarl there is a thread on foundation@lists.openstack.org | 17:08 |
| eglute | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2015-September/thread.html | 17:08 |
| barrett | I wouldn't mind adding a question asking to identify barriers that impact their ability to engage in the community | 17:09 |
| eglute | +1, i like that | 17:10 |
| Dan_Fineberg | good idea--this is not just data gathering, but issue identification, as well... | 17:10 |
| barrett | I'll send an email to Roland with the suggestion | 17:11 |
| eglute | thank you barrett | 17:11 |
| spotz | I think lxsli's email from this morning had some good wording as well as rationale for it | 17:12 |
| eglute | yes, i agree, and i really like the "no answer" options for all | 17:13 |
| barrett | +1 | 17:14 |
| eglute | #action everyone review the draft survey and send feedback to the mailing list + Roland | 17:14 |
| eglute | if there are no other comments on this topic, we can move to the next item | 17:15 |
| eglute | #topic geo diversity | 17:15 |
| eglute | i think this is Kavit and Roland, can anyone speak to it? if not, we will skip | 17:16 |
| TamaraJ | I provided feedback to Roland RE survey. (sorry for the delayed response, on two calls / meetings at once) | 17:16 |
| eglute | thanks TamaraJ! | 17:17 |
| eglute | ok, how about data analysis? | 17:17 |
| eglute | #topic data analysis | 17:17 |
| eglute | TamaraJ, can you give an update? | 17:18 |
| TamaraJ | I haven't done much on that front, we've had some emails going around where people have shared information but I need to regroup with the team to talk about how to collate this information and how we want to store/manage/etc the data moving forward. I'll follow up w/the group. | 17:18 |
| eglute | thanks. | 17:19 |
| eglute | I have updated the wiki page to include statistics that Lauren has shared with the group. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity | 17:19 |
| barrett | I thought that was helpful info from Lauren | 17:19 |
| eglute | yes, it is good to have that baseline | 17:20 |
| TamaraJ | It was very helpful! | 17:20 |
| eglute | full data set by % #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/c/c9/MemberGeoData-20150903.pdf | 17:20 |
| barrett | I would think that we could set a target for Female participation in OpenStack based upon the Market Availability of Women in our Industry | 17:20 |
| barrett | Dan_Fineberg: Do you have that data point? | 17:20 |
| TamaraJ | +1 | 17:20 |
| barrett | Also on the country participation, after the top 3 countries the data really falls off | 17:21 |
| eglute | i think only 9% women is a number we need to work | 17:22 |
| spotz | Is the country based on citizenship or residency? | 17:23 |
| barrett | I wonder if a reasonable goal would be to get the next 7 countries up to 5% | 17:23 |
| eglute | i think it is based on what address they entered when registering for the foundation | 17:23 |
| eglute | barrett i wonder how many of those are active members | 17:23 |
| barrett | spotz: Hard to tell. I would guess residency | 17:24 |
| eglute | india and china combined have more members than US, but i have not seen that reflected in participation | 17:24 |
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| eglute | barrett and spotz yes, i think residency | 17:24 |
| barrett | eglute: The foundation prune inactive members ahead of the January '15 vote on bylaws. | 17:24 |
| Dan_Fineberg | Here is the US infor for Intel in 2015, so far: | 17:25 |
| barrett | Even with that said, I'm sure there are lots of folks who are members, but don't actively particiapte | 17:25 |
| Dan_Fineberg | Currently exceeding the 40% goal for 2015 with 43.3% of our new hires to date being diverse •35% were women •4.7% were African American (Black) •7.5% were Hispanic •0.3% were Native American That's US only... | 17:25 |
| saracarl | what qualifies as "inactive"? | 17:25 |
| eglute | Dan_Fineberg is that technical people, or Intel hires in general? | 17:25 |
| barrett | I wonder if we can find the data that would tell us what the number or percentage of Women in high tech in the top 10 countries participating in OpenStack is? This would be one way to set the desired end-state target | 17:26 |
| saracarl | there is a lot of that going around now. I don't know if we can find exactly what you are asking for, but some things that are close | 17:26 |
| barrett | saracarl: Per the OpenStack Foundation guidelines, I think people are inactive if they haven't participated in any votes in 2 yrs.... | 17:26 |
| spotz | I would think someone has done a thesis or doctorate in this area | 17:26 |
| saracarl | I can take that as an action item | 17:27 |
| barrett | saracarl: That would be great! | 17:27 |
| barrett | spotz: Any idea where to find that? | 17:27 |
| saracarl | I did my undergrad women's studies thesis on this topic, but that was 15 years ago. :) | 17:27 |
| Dan_Fineberg | Intel monitors the hiring and retention of all employees, but has specific numeric goals in the US. The company uses the technical work force diversity profile as a benchmark. | 17:27 |
| saracarl | (or longer, sigh) | 17:27 |
| barrett | saracarl: you were ahead of your time! | 17:27 |
| spotz | barrett there's several University's now with Diversity programs, I'd check with them or their library systems | 17:28 |
| barrett | spotz: Can you provide any pointers? | 17:28 |
| saracarl | "It’s no secret that there’s a need for more women in technology. In fact, women comprised just 26% of employees in certain tech-related fields in 2013. " | 17:28 |
| TamaraJ | Dan - EMC takes the same approach. I recently connected w/the EMC Diversity team and am trying to see what bits of data I can get from them that may be helpful for this group. | 17:28 |
| Dan_Fineberg | more on Intel's methodology: In order to measure our progress, Intel sets market availability goals for the jobs for which we hire. These goals are based upon the talent pool that is currently available with the skills and degrees needed in our workforce. We periodically conduct in-depth availability studies to ensure that our goals are accurate. Data scientists use a combination of data from resources such as the National Center for | 17:29 |
| eglute | saracarl how would you word your action item? get the statistics for women in tech? | 17:29 |
| spotz | barrett I know for sure the University of California systems have it but I'll check around. From the sound of is saracarl's alma mater might have it too | 17:30 |
| barrett | spotz: If you could send what you find on the ML that would be great. | 17:31 |
| saracarl | @eglute sounds good. Just found this to start hunting this down with: " 1 In 2010, IBM ranked number 1 in the DiversityInc Top 10 Companies for Global Diversity. " -- the "DiversityInc" might be a good place to start. | 17:31 |
| spotz | wiil do | 17:31 |
| eglute | #action saracarl will get the statistics for women in tech | 17:31 |
| eglute | thanks Dan_Fineberg! | 17:31 |
| Dan_Fineberg | :) | 17:32 |
| eglute | anything to add to the data analysis discussion? | 17:32 |
| eglute | #topic code of conduct review | 17:33 |
| barrett | Do we want to set a date for a discussion on proposed targets? Think we'd like to have this ahead of Tokyo | 17:33 |
| eglute | barrett yes we should | 17:33 |
| spotz | eglute I added the link to the etherpad with the current version of it to the agenda | 17:33 |
| eglute | 2 weeks is reasonable? | 17:33 |
| Dan_Fineberg | Have we discussed the different situations/attitudes in different regions of the world, and how that migh impact our objectives and success? | 17:33 |
| saracarl | wondering if instead of "targets" that are "flat numbers" we have "targets" that are year to year growth | 17:34 |
| barrett | saracarl: +1 | 17:34 |
| barrett | eglute: +1 | 17:34 |
| saracarl | big hairy audacious goals are good, but we may never get there | 17:34 |
| saracarl | which doesn't mean we haven't made big strides. | 17:35 |
| eglute | #action saracarl Dan_Fineberg will work on numbers of women in tech, review findings in two weeks | 17:35 |
| Dan_Fineberg | ok with me | 17:35 |
| saracarl | yep | 17:35 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CoC - for the curent version of the CoC | 17:36 |
| eglute | Dan_Fineberg we have not talked about attitudes... but it is definitely a reality that contributes to low numbers in some cases | 17:36 |
| barrett | Thanks to you both! | 17:36 |
| eglute | sorry spotz i think we are back to data | 17:36 |
| spotz | eglute no worries:) | 17:36 |
| Dan_Fineberg | Should we consider benchmarking based on geo region? | 17:36 |
| eglute | regarding goals, i think overall growth is def. better | 17:37 |
| barrett | eglute: +1 | 17:37 |
| eglute | Dan_Fineberg yes geography is part of the survey | 17:37 |
| Dan_Fineberg | but in terms of our bojectives, do they differ by geo region? | 17:37 |
| eglute | if you can find current numbers for women in tech across the world, that would be good. | 17:37 |
| Dan_Fineberg | yes, I'll look for that data | 17:38 |
| eglute | i think after we get the results from new data, hopefully we will be able to extrapolate number of women for different geo locations | 17:38 |
| eglute | as well as other diversity numbers per location | 17:38 |
| eglute | it will be interesting to see. | 17:39 |
| Dan_Fineberg | yes, I agree | 17:39 |
| eglute | would be good to ask Lauren if we can get some approximate numbers on how many women in US vs India or China | 17:39 |
| eglute | ok, so Code of Conduct now? | 17:40 |
| eglute | spotz, did you review the different exsisting ones? | 17:40 |
| barrett | On the COC, doesn't anyone know what the green text means? Is it proposed changes? | 17:40 |
| spotz | barrett I believe they are changes. The TC liked the django CoC which were proposed and then the OpenStack specific codes were added to make it coheisive and specific | 17:41 |
| saracarl | it seems to be edits for "we" vs "you" and various openstack references | 17:42 |
| spotz | And some wording/readability fixes | 17:42 |
| barrett | spotz: Thanks | 17:42 |
| eglute | so right now there are several COC on openstack site, is this completely new, or editing one of the existing ones? | 17:42 |
| saracarl | Assuming this is "good enough", what are the next steps for something like this? | 17:43 |
| barrett | saracarl: I think that we would review at the next Board Meeting and ask for approval | 17:43 |
| spotz | eglute I believe this is intended for the main community | 17:43 |
| spotz | The summit specific one I believe changes with each summit? | 17:43 |
| eglute | if it is edits on this one https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/ | 17:44 |
| barrett | spotz: I think you're right...but the changes are minimal | 17:44 |
| saracarl | shouldn't it be good enough to write once and reuse? | 17:44 |
| eglute | we will have to get Board's approval | 17:44 |
| eglute | saracarl i believe it is mostly the same summit to summit | 17:44 |
| saracarl | is there an email address to report violations? | 17:44 |
| barrett | eglute: Have you requested time on the Tokyo Board for an update from this group? | 17:44 |
| eglute | but the links are summit specific | 17:44 |
| barrett | saracarl: good question! | 17:45 |
| eglute | barrett not yet, but i will | 17:45 |
| saracarl | and who reads it? | 17:45 |
| eglute | there has not been a agenda call yet i believe | 17:45 |
| eglute | saracarl who reads CoC? | 17:45 |
| barrett | eglute: Why not just send an email to Alan? | 17:45 |
| eglute | barrett i will! | 17:45 |
| Dan_Fineberg | per previous topic, I found some global data on women in technology jobs (US, Canada, EU, ROW) from 2013 at http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-high-tech-globally | 17:45 |
| saracarl | (who reads the email to the reporting email address) | 17:46 |
| eglute | saracarl that goes to jonathan | 17:46 |
| spotz | saracarl I believe a point of contact was discussed, there was discussion at the TC meeting about a personal PoC be available vs not knowing who you were reporting to. I'd have to search for the meeting notes as I was more of an observer | 17:46 |
| eglute | i talked to foundation about complaints. they said they get 1 or less complaints per year | 17:46 |
| saracarl | good | 17:47 |
| saracarl | what does jonathan do when or if he would get a complaint? | 17:47 |
| saracarl | concerns about fairness, legal liability judgement (if any), etc. | 17:48 |
| saracarl | but maybe too worried. cross that bridge when we get there | 17:48 |
| eglute | they evaluate and respond. | 17:48 |
| saracarl | jonathan != they | 17:48 |
| saracarl | jonathan takes to the TC? | 17:48 |
| eglute | well, by them, i mean foundation staff that works on those issues | 17:49 |
| barrett | Do we want to send a note on the ML asking for comments on the revised COC with the intention that we'll take it to the Board for review/ratification at the October Board Meeting? | 17:49 |
| eglute | and how they addrress it would depend on the nature of the complaint. I did not ask for examples | 17:50 |
| eglute | barrett yes we will need feedback! | 17:50 |
| spotz | barrett I know the etherpad was shared on channel but sending to the ML sounds good | 17:50 |
| barrett | eglute: do you want to give that action to me? or Amandap? | 17:51 |
| barrett | Also, on the handling of issues - do we want to ask Jonathan to come into this team meeting and give us an overview? | 17:51 |
| eglute | #action spotz will send out revised CoC to the mailing list and ask for feedback | 17:52 |
| eglute | what does everyone thing about asking someone from foundation review how they handle issues? i think it is a good idea | 17:52 |
| barrett | eglute: +1 | 17:53 |
| cpallares | o/ sorry for being late | 17:53 |
| eglute | hi cpallares! | 17:53 |
| spotz | eglute +1, I'm also trying to track down the TC meeting notes | 17:53 |
| cpallares | spotz: Could you also send the reporting guide? | 17:53 |
| eglute | spotz that would be great | 17:53 |
| spotz | cpallares eglute Will do | 17:54 |
| cpallares | I'm attending the next TC meeting, as the TC was supposed to read the CoC and let us know what the next step is in expanding it. | 17:54 |
| eglute | #action spotz will send reporting guide to the ML | 17:54 |
| cpallares | For anyone interested in attending, it's not part of the official agenda, just the open discussion. | 17:54 |
| eglute | thanks cpallares | 17:55 |
| barrett | cpallares: Is that the 9/22 meeting? | 17:55 |
| cpallares | Yes | 17:55 |
| eglute | anything to add to the CoC discussion? | 17:56 |
| eglute | #topic open discussion | 17:56 |
| barrett | where did we get to on inviting Jonathan in? Should I send him an email? | 17:56 |
| eglute | barrett yes please do | 17:56 |
| barrett | OK | 17:56 |
| saracarl | can I just add something to the agenda for next time? Is that how that works? | 17:56 |
| eglute | #action barrett will invite jonathan to the meeting in 2 weeks | 17:57 |
| eglute | saracarl yes! | 17:57 |
| eglute | also, mailing list. | 17:57 |
| saracarl | ok. will do. | 17:57 |
| eglute | you can bring it up now as well, but we have only 2 min | 17:57 |
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| saracarl | so to bring something up in this meeting, I should mail the entire foundation mailing list. I'm not that comfortable doing that..... | 17:58 |
| eglute | saracarl the meetings are at alternating times, this meeting at this same time will occur in two weeks | 17:58 |
| eglute | next week it is at midnight | 17:58 |
| saracarl | ok. :) will make sure it is for 2 weeks from now. | 17:58 |
| barrett | saracarl: You can always add an item to the meeting agenda at the start of a meeting too | 17:59 |
| eglute | thanks everyone for showing up today! good discussion | 17:59 |
| barrett | Thanks! | 17:59 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| Dan_Fineberg | bye | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 17:59:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| saracarl | bye! thanks! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2015/diversity.2015-09-17-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| spotz | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2015/diversity.2015-09-17-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity/2015/diversity.2015-09-17-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| cpallares | eglute: re your CoC question, there are different CoC pertaining to different parts of OpenStack, there's one for blogging and one for the summit. These don't apply to the community's IRC, mailing lists, launchpad, etc. | 18:00 |
| cpallares | eglute: This one should target the community's communication channels and community. | 18:01 |
| eglute | thank you cpallares | 18:04 |
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| spotz | cpallares and eglute Just sent the email to the foundations list | 18:31 |
| eglute | thank you spotz! will take a look at it after my meeting | 18:31 |
| cpallares | yay spotz | 18:32 |
| cpallares | thanks | 18:32 |
| spotz | eglute cpallares if you don't receive it let me know, I've been having list issues though only from women-of-openstack | 18:33 |
| spotz | NM just got it | 18:33 |
| cpallares | spotz: I got it too | 18:39 |
| spotz | I had to re-sub to women-of-openstack hadn't gotten anything in a week | 18:41 |
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