Thursday, 2015-09-24

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kavit#startmeeting Diversity Workgroup APAC 24-09-201505:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 24 05:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kavit. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'diversity_workgroup_apac_24_09_2015'05:00
kavithello all05:00
kavitRoll Call05:00
rolandchanhello!05:00
rolandchanRoland Chan, Aptira.05:00
kavitKavit Munshi, Aptira05:00
ozstackerTristan Goode, Guess where!05:01
rolandchanI have several inappropriate answers.05:01
ozstackerTristan Goode, Aptira :-)05:02
kavit#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStackDiversity.1205:02
kavit#topic Final review of the survey05:02
rolandchanYep. It's done. Got some feedback from Egle, which was incorporated.05:03
kavitthere were some changes to the survey text etc, hows the final review going?05:03
rolandchanunfortunately, the i18n team were flat out on the Mitaka release, so we're only sending out in English.05:03
kavitah cool, so its good to go out but only in English?05:03
* fifieldt wanders in05:03
rolandchanfinished. I sent the text to Lauren. so will be working with her on distribution05:04
rolandchanYes, english only. I'm afraid.05:05
rolandchanirony not lost either :(05:05
kavitok cool, I dont that can be helped05:05
kavit:(05:05
kaviti8n resources hard to come by05:05
rolandchanTo be fair, they team were keen to help, but just flat out.05:05
kavitmaybe we plan a bit better for the next time we need to do a survey05:06
rolandchanI guess the lesson is: don't cram things into the end of the cycle.05:06
kavityeah summit time, busy time05:06
fifieldtso the "minority sexuality" wording is still in there?05:06
kavitanyway next topic? unless there are other comments?05:06
rolandchanI'm out of updates.05:06
rolandchanfifieldt: yeah.05:07
fifieldtstill seems wrong to me05:07
rolandchanit has problems.05:07
rolandchanbut I can't come up with anything.05:08
fifieldtbest practice is to make it a free text field05:08
rolandchanonly if you want the detail05:09
fifieldtgot it05:10
kavitOK05:10
kavit#topic Messaging at Tokyo Summit05:10
kavit#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Diversity_WG_Tokyo_Messaging05:11
kavitPlease review and contribute to the link above05:11
rolandchan"Join Diversity Working Group" :)05:11
rolandchanthanks. will take a look at it later.05:12
kavitI think the big issue for me is the lack of momentum in the smaller user groups after a few initial meetups05:13
kavitmaybe we could be supporting them better? maybe we should have a survey for th‎is in the future, to find out where things could go better05:14
kavitfifieldt, you have any thoughts on this05:14
kavit?05:14
fifieldtmany :)05:14
rolandchanThere's a critical mass situation.05:15
fifieldtthe ambassador program was created to provide mentors for cases like this05:15
fifieldtbut what rolandchan notes is true05:15
fifieldtin Australia, for example, there was early realisation that each individual city alone could not sustain a user group due to this05:15
fifieldtand so a national umbrella was created05:15
kavitI think we realised the same thing in India05:15
fifieldtindeed05:16
fifieldtand the African continent could suffer similarly05:16
fifieldtSouth America, luckily, has a lot of open source proponents in the more populous nations05:16
fifieldtearly identification of those people with drive is key05:17
kavitmaybe we ask the groups to do two or three meetups a year and help present stuff by google hangouts or something, might be a good idea to get some of the vendors onboard as well by providing venues05:17
fifieldtand getting them mentors and a path forward05:17
kavitif people see value in the content, they will definitely come05:17
fifieldtthis is true - content and speakers are great, but we don't want to be too proscriptive  :)05:17
fifieldtthey key is to listen to the needs first05:18
kavitwe are seeing 40 to 50 people atleast even in smaller cities05:18
fifieldtso your survey idea (even if completed by direct email) could be a go-er05:18
fifieldtI would like the ambassadors to be more proactive in contacting the groups in their region to ask about these kind of things05:18
fifieldtand I think the personal relationship would be more beneficial than a surveymonkey link :)05:18
kavitfifieldt, maybe have a break in period of new user groups, with two meetups where ambassadors help05:18
kavitwith content etc05:19
fifieldtif they need it, sure :)05:19
fifieldtbut it should not be proscribed, in my opinion05:19
fifieldtassess and assist, assess and assist05:19
rolandchanIt sounds like we might need to make sure the ambassadors have a pool of people to perform specific types of assistance.05:20
rolandchanwhen we identify what those types are.05:20
rolandchaneg: if we need content presented.05:21
rolandchanthe ambassdors might not be able to handle 50 new meetup groups with that need.05:21
fifieldtyes, the ambassadors should be able to assist in identifying speakers, sponsors, etc05:21
fifieldtthe ambassador program scales :)05:21
rolandchanSomething to mention when recruiting for people to participate in diversity programs.05:22
kavitcool05:23
kavitth‎is segues nicely into the next topic05:24
kavit#topic Geo Diversity Update05:24
kavitso I had sent an email out to amabssaors and rolandchan reached out to the gold members with global reach but we havent see a lot of people bite05:25
kavitwe should keep at it05:25
rolandchanon the same actions? or trying something new?05:26
kavitsame actions, join the meeting regularly05:27
kavitparticipate05:27
kavitanything new to add to the agenda?05:30
kavitany comments about things discussed?05:30
rolandchanNot really. I don't want to talk too much about actions without some data05:30
kavitcool05:30
rolandchanWe could have a theoretical discussion about how to boost minority participation in a democratic environment.05:31
ozstackerI still think moving this meeting to a meeting channel is worthwhile.05:31
kavitI think I need a gavel so I can go "ADJOURNED" at the end of these meetings :)05:31
rolandchanput it to a vote, and get it voted on next week too.05:31
kavitozstacker, you want to put the issue to a vote? I will add it to the agenda05:32
rolandchanyeah.05:32
rolandchanI wanna use the voting functionality.05:33
ozstackerYeah ok05:33
ozstackerSome drop in participation might be interesting.05:34
rolandchanbit live having a meeting in the front bar of a pub.05:35
rolandchanbit like.05:35
kavitOK we cant vote for it now, too few of us05:35
rolandchanWe can cast votes surely.05:35
kavit#startvote05:37
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.05:37
kavit#startvote Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels? Yes, No05:37
openstackBegin voting on: Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels? Valid vote options are Yes, No.05:37
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.05:37
fifieldt#vote yes05:37
fifieldt#vote Yes05:37
ozstacker#vote yes05:38
ozstacker#vote Yes05:38
kavit#vote Iwillvoteafterlookingatwhatrolandchanvotesfor05:39
openstackkavit: Iwillvoteafterlookingatwhatrolandchanvotesfor is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No.05:39
kavit:)05:39
rolandchansorry. playing with the cat05:39
rolandchan#vote yes05:39
kavit#vote Yes05:39
kavitcapital Y rolandchan05:39
kaviti think05:39
rolandchan#vote Yes05:39
rolandchan#catvote no05:39
kavit#endvote05:40
openstackVoted on "Move #openstack-diversity to one of the openstack meeting channels?" Results are05:40
openstackYes (4): rolandchan, kavit, ozstacker, fifieldt05:40
ozstackervery good.05:40
kavitok anything else?05:42
fifieldtlunch :)05:42
kavitno?05:43
kavitending meeting05:43
rolandchanvery good05:43
kavit#endmeeting05:43
openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 24 05:43:10 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)05:43
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rolandchanlawyers05:43
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