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| spotz | #startmeeting Diversity-wg | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 11 17:02:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Diversity-wg)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 17:02 |
| spotz | #topic ROll Call | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ROll Call (Meeting topic: Diversity-wg)" | 17:02 | |
| cmurphy | hi o/ i'm here this time but in another meeting | 17:02 |
| fungi | here as well but also on a conference call | 17:02 |
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| enriquetaso | o/ | 17:03 |
| spotz | Ok, let me poke Ell | 17:03 |
| spotz | Welcome enriquetaso! | 17:03 |
| spotz | She's in the wrong room:) | 17:04 |
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| ellopunk | I think I have said Hi in every room trying to get here:) hi | 17:06 |
| spotz | ellopunk: No comment:) | 17:06 |
| SWDevAngel | Hi | 17:06 |
| spotz | cmurphy and fungi - are multi-tasking so we'll get started | 17:07 |
| spotz | #topic Summit | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit (Meeting topic: Diversity-wg)" | 17:07 | |
| spotz | Not much new here, we did find out last meeting we have sponsors for Speed Mentoring(Intel) and the Diversity Lunch(IBM) | 17:08 |
| spotz | I believe we;ll have the pronoun stickers again and hopefully the alcohol free section if there's a mixer. I'll see about a non-sponsored group outing one night as well | 17:09 |
| spotz | Anyone have anything summit related besides that quick update? | 17:09 |
| spotz | #topic Diversity CFP Day | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Diversity CFP Day (Meeting topic: Diversity-wg)" | 17:10 | |
| spotz | I put this on the agenda as I knew ellopunk was organizing one for San Antonio and I thought it might be of interest to members of the group even if it was too late to do one in your area this year but maybe next year | 17:11 |
| ellopunk | https://www.globaldiversitycfpday.com/ to find out if there might be one in your area already | 17:12 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: I suspect you might have one | 17:12 |
| ellopunk | As most things I am having issues getting attendance. I have 10 people willing to help and 6 RSVP but I have been limited by no promotion budget. | 17:13 |
| SWDevAngel | Interesting. I've never seen one. | 17:13 |
| SWDevAngel | Looks like the SF one is Mar 2. I wonder if Nithya is involve.d | 17:14 |
| * diablo_rojo got wrapped up in emails and shows up late | 17:15 | |
| spotz | And it's a weird time for us, Spring Summit CFP is over and it's super early for Fsll. I think we could tweet about it to get some word out, maybe hit up Women Techmakers, but that doesn't hit up all the diverse areas we were hoping to get | 17:15 |
| spotz | SWDevAngel: I think they're all 3/2 or there abouts | 17:15 |
| ellopunk | yup. The big push is for everyone to host on the same day. | 17:15 |
| spotz | So get involved if you can, any ideas of audiences to hit up I think will be appreciated escpecially for ellopunk's:) | 17:17 |
| ellopunk | Yes please! and a public thank you to Amy for agreeing to come and speak at the San Antonio event | 17:17 |
| spotz | Making me ride the ponies late in the day.... :) | 17:18 |
| ellopunk | I think ponies are under represented at conferences and would fully welcome them at our event. | 17:19 |
| spotz | Anyone have anything else on this? Potential ideas? Maybe thoughts on doing our own versions for Summit or joining in on the official ones next year? | 17:19 |
| spotz | ellopunk: Better chance of a Dalmatian getting past the Rackspace guards:) | 17:19 |
| spotz | WIll give 2 minutes in case anyone is typing | 17:21 |
| SWDevAngel | Yes. Bring the ponies. | 17:21 |
| SWDevAngel | I can put a link to it in the user group newsletter I send out, but just curious, who's putting these events on? I hadn't really heard about them. | 17:21 |
| SWDevAngel | (Still reading that website) | 17:21 |
| spotz | ellopunk is the expert she roped me in:) | 17:22 |
| SWDevAngel | Vanessa Diaz is listed as the SF Organizer. Does anyone know her? | 17:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope | 17:22 |
| spotz | Lets see if Google does:) | 17:22 |
| SWDevAngel | https://www.globaldiversitycfpday.com/events/120 | 17:22 |
| SWDevAngel | Or Brian Douglas at GitHub? | 17:23 |
| fungi | i don't think i've met either of them | 17:23 |
| SWDevAngel | (He must be new there. I knew a bunch of the GitHub oldtimers but not recent. | 17:23 |
| spotz | Vanessa might be at Docker, but apparently it's a popular name | 17:23 |
| spotz | inc0 is now at Git Hub, but not sure if he'd know him | 17:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I might have met Brian at KubeCon but I am so bad with names lol | 17:24 |
| ellopunk | So the events are all independently hosted. There is a larger group that offers a little bit of support like maintaining the website or giving ideas for content but that's about it on their end | 17:24 |
| SWDevAngel | You can see his pic on that link above. Or Liv Erickson. Looks like a really cool event. | 17:24 |
| ellopunk | If they get reports of an event not keeping the ideals of the event they also ban that person from being listed as an organizer. | 17:25 |
| SWDevAngel | Have these events been running for a number of years? | 17:25 |
| SWDevAngel | I'll see if I can reach out to the organizers and offer some help, but yeah, the timing isn't great. I'm pretty sure I can't be in SF to attend that day. | 17:26 |
| ellopunk | As far as I know this is the second year . | 17:26 |
| spotz | Cool | 17:26 |
| ellopunk | https://twitter.com/jiggy_pete | 17:27 |
| ellopunk | That is the nice man who has answered all of my questions. (Global Organizer) | 17:27 |
| spotz | Any thing else on this? We're doing fine on time | 17:27 |
| spotz | #topic Mentoring/Most Wanted List | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mentoring/Most Wanted List (Meeting topic: Diversity-wg)" | 17:29 | |
| * diablo_rojo puts first contact sig hat on | 17:30 | |
| spotz | So mentoring has been under D&I for almost a year, since Vancouver. We switched from 1on1 style to cohort mentoring in the hopes it would be easier for everyone, more inviting for newcomers and also help grow ties between cohort members. While people have signed up nothing has really come of it. | 17:31 |
| spotz | Now one thing to note on the Most Wanted List discussions was the mentioning of 1 on 1 mentoring again | 17:32 |
| fungi | one thing the recent ml thread highlighted for me is that most of the tc members seem to be unaware of what's going on with the existing mentoring effort | 17:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think a 1x1 program was really what is being asked for | 17:33 |
| fungi | (and by proxy, i think most of the community isn't aware_ | 17:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically they just want a curated list of people that want new people in their projects that are willing to help. | 17:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Not any coordination of actual mentoring. | 17:33 |
| diablo_rojo | That's up to the people that volunteer to be on the list. | 17:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Since its super similar to the project liaison list I said that this other list could live with the FC SIG. | 17:34 |
| spotz | fungi much hasn't, we tried a BoF session in Berlin but were in the basement and had 2 attendees. The panel actually turned into a group discussion | 17:34 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the cohort mentoring program isnt really affected here. | 17:34 |
| diablo_rojo | It has a different goal. | 17:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Er...like...it targets different people? | 17:35 |
| spotz | Well it has the partial same goal of getting first commits though is wider in range | 17:35 |
| diablo_rojo | They should work together though? | 17:35 |
| fungi | oh, perhaps. the proposal as i interpreted it was that the tc was looking for people willing to help mentor new contributors | 17:35 |
| cmurphy | I don't think it's about just making another list | 17:36 |
| spotz | fungi: That's how I've been reading it as well which is why I pinged Jill and Ell | 17:36 |
| spotz | And this morning I thought Theirry mentioned 1 on 1 | 17:37 |
| cmurphy | it needs to be a focused and coordinated effort to guide people towards productive participation in projects that need the most help | 17:37 |
| cmurphy | not just getting newbies first patch in | 17:37 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, that is my read on it too I think. | 17:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Looking at it coming from the help most wanted list. | 17:37 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: right, but just raising your hand and saying "i can help" is not enough i think | 17:38 |
| spotz | Yeah help most wanted is definitely more focused to a single project | 17:38 |
| fungi | i mostly just wanted o be sure whatever this new effort is, 1. it doesn't unduly gut the existing work to try and get mentorship options into the community, 2. if possible it helps support those existing efforts or at least learns from their history and doesn't set out to make the same mistakes/invalid assumptions about what will and won't work | 17:38 |
| spotz | cmurphy: And the opposite of I'd like to get help which we see a lot of too | 17:38 |
| spotz | fungi +100 | 17:39 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, agreed. It would require more effort if someone actually shows up wanting to work on the project they ar ementoring in. | 17:39 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, +2 | 17:39 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: and also proper advertising for the project that needs help so that people can tell whether they would be interested and know what they are getting into | 17:39 |
| spotz | If what we have now isn't working and isn't meeting the needs we either need to change and adapt what we have or something | 17:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. | 17:40 |
| spotz | Do we need to focus on say 3 of the most wanteds maybe? | 17:40 |
| ellopunk | Jill and I tried to get the conversation going but it really just turned in to us talking to our selves :/ | 17:40 |
| spotz | ellopunk: I know:( | 17:41 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, the problem is its hard to prioritize and maintain such a thing | 17:41 |
| diablo_rojo | At what point do they get kicked off the list? | 17:41 |
| diablo_rojo | When will new ones be added? | 17:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Etc. | 17:41 |
| spotz | How do projects get added now? | 17:43 |
| fungi | from the tc help wanted perspective, i think the ultimate goal is to provide projects with an avenue to get new people on their maintenance teams over time, but i think that presupposes there are people who are looking for something to contribute to, or know a project they want to contribute to but don't know how to get their efforts thoroughly enfranchised | 17:43 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, I think its been the same list since its inception and its never really changed, but I could be wrong. | 17:44 |
| cmurphy | what i would like to see is sort of the job-advertisement thing that was talked about on the thread, where a project might say "we need 1 person who is interested in X and we have these N specific things that we are working towards" and when someone gets in contact and starts doing the work then they get taken off the list | 17:44 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: pretty much, if you keep in mind that the entries there were accumulated one at a time over a span of some months | 17:44 |
| cmurphy | the current help wanted list doesn't really have a criteria for taking things off the list | 17:45 |
| fungi | agreed, it's more of a "this team/project is struggling, please send help" | 17:45 |
| fungi | message in a bottle | 17:45 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, that would be good for getting actual movement on/off the list | 17:46 |
| diablo_rojo | SOunds a bit like an outreachy proposal for an intern | 17:47 |
| spotz | Ok typing an idea.. please hold:) | 17:47 |
| cmurphy | outreachy is problematic because it's a 3 month long internship and the interns usually go away | 17:47 |
| cmurphy | ideally this would foster long-term maintainership | 17:47 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, agreed :) Longer term would be better. | 17:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Was more just noting the similarity | 17:48 |
| spotz | So if we could get more attention/support/activity so that the current mentoring program could work. What about help wanteds being on the FC SIGs laison lst and being passed to that? | 17:49 |
| fungi | even just enforcing that the entry must come with an obvious condition which needs to be met so that we know when it can be removed would be a great improvement | 17:49 |
| spotz | We still have the issue of figuring how to get folks active on both sides of the mentorship, but that is going to happen whether we use the cohort group or something else | 17:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Having an obvious completion criteria is a must. I think that list living with the FC SIG is fine. When people come to the mentoring program and don't have a preference for a project, that list is where they should go . | 17:50 |
| fungi | out of curiosity, do we see many people in that situation? | 17:51 |
| fungi | i guess that's at least some percentage of the oui students? | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | OUI is a different thing- there we do regularly get people that don't have preferences. | 17:51 |
| spotz | I think we have better luck with OUI then the mentoring program | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I can't speak to the current sign ups with the Mentoring program | 17:52 |
| fungi | sure, more just wondering if a significant proportion of oui students are also possible candidates for longer-term mentoring or cohort mentoring | 17:52 |
| fungi | i.e., they're looking for something to do (as well as for someone to help them understand how to do it) | 17:53 |
| fungi | though i guess the help wanted is more for folks who are looking for something to do while the cohort mentoring is focused more on folks who already know what they want to get done? | 17:54 |
| spotz | Some of the cohort topics might be of interest but like first patch would be almost accomplished in OUI | 17:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah, well we mention mentoring in OUI but we can push it more. | 17:54 |
| diablo_rojo | We don't really go into detail. | 17:54 |
| spotz | fungi know they want to sublit a patch or a cfp, etc | 17:54 |
| fungi | right, have some specific goal in mind already | 17:54 |
| spotz | 6 minutes FYI though I think we're having a good discussion | 17:55 |
| cmurphy | what have the cohort topics been about? (I never got involved because I was doing outreachy) | 17:55 |
| spotz | ellopunk: You have the full list handy? I know COA, first patch and CFP | 17:55 |
| diablo_rojo | We havent really kept track of who from OUI goes onto mentoring | 17:55 |
| cmurphy | my thought is that perhaps the target audience for this new thing is slightly different than the audience that cohort mentoring or outreachy reaches | 17:56 |
| diablo_rojo | but its something we cna start tracking | 17:56 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I would say its definitely a different audience than out reachy and mostly separate than the cohort mentoring, but not 100% | 17:56 |
| fungi | also i guess there's not much point to the coa cohort soon (or it needs to get retargeted to other certification programs at the very least) | 17:58 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I feel like its a similar discussion to the contributor portal we had in Berlin where there are like 100k paths into the community lol | 17:58 |
| cmurphy | heh yeah | 17:58 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah thats another thing to mention | 17:59 |
| spotz | yeah I think there's some but not total overlap in the gtheory behind it. But if cohorts aren't taking off maybe it can be adjusted so Ell and Jill's effoerts aren't wasted | 17:59 |
| spotz | fungi Meeting on that on Friday:) | 17:59 |
| cmurphy | that's why I'd like to understand better what the cohort mentoring has been up to and how it works | 17:59 |
| fungi | i agree the first patch cohort seems like it could be pretty lightweight when combined with online resources like the contributor guide and the gerrit review automation tonyb's designing | 18:00 |
| spotz | cmurphy: Besides being reformed from the 1on1 mentoring and having people sign up as mentors and mentees nothing has happened. There;s a channel and ML, Jill, Ell and a few mentors tried to get conversations started but nothing | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I should draw a huge decision tree for all this | 18:03 |
| fungi | flowchart! ;) | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | spotz, not to say that the 1x1 mentoring program went super far ever either | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah basically | 18:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I keep talking about it, but I think it might be time | 18:03 |
| fungi | didn't someone (maybe it was you?) recently point out another community who has a simple new contributor flowchart to help explain their onboarding? | 18:04 |
| fungi | though i think it was referred to as an "infographic" | 18:05 |
| spotz | Ok just for referrence we are 6 minutes over, I say keep going though | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, it was ildikov :) | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | But also a think I have been talking about since like...vancouver? | 18:05 |
| SWDevAngel | Okay, I've gotta run! Great chatting with y'all! :) | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | or maybe it was Sydney? | 18:06 |
| ildikov | what did I do again? :) | 18:06 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, your nfv flowchart | 18:06 |
| spotz | thanks SWDevAngel | 18:06 |
| * cmurphy still at the office and would like to go home, will be back in a few minutes if meeting is still going on | 18:06 | |
| ildikov | ah, that one | 18:06 |
| ildikov | https://www.opnfv.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/11/opnfv_infographic.jpg | 18:07 |
| fungi | that's the one, thanks! | 18:08 |
| ildikov | np :) | 18:08 |
| * diablo_rojo has to disappear in 22 min as a heads up | 18:08 | |
| ildikov | we tried to keep it simple but still informative on how the OPNFV community roughly operates | 18:09 |
| ildikov | I think we used a printed version of it on site for the first OPNFV Summit as well | 18:09 |
| ildikov | never measured how much it actually helped, but people liked it | 18:10 |
| ildikov | so if we plan to do smth similar for OpenStack and/or OSF projects overall I fully support the idea :) | 18:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I will start throwing things on paper this week | 18:11 |
| diablo_rojo | if we could get something in time for the summit... | 18:12 |
| fungi | seems like discussion is winding down? | 18:14 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah? | 18:15 |
| spotz | Ok let me close the log and I'll put it on the agenda again for next meeting? | 18:15 |
| fungi | in that case i'm gonna go grab some lunch ;) | 18:15 |
| fungi | thanks spotz!!! | 18:15 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please review the survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/OpenStackDiversity and let spotz and/or aprice know if there's anything that needs updating per http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-06-18-19.00.log.html" | 18:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 18:16:17 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-02-11-17.02.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-02-11-17.02.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2019/diversity_wg.2019-02-11-17.02.log.html | 18:16 |
| spotz | Husband lost his wallet so I'm going to search the yard vs dog theft:) | 18:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 18:16 |
| spotz | Moonie likes to carry things outside | 18:17 |
| spotz | and iit's found:) | 18:18 |
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