Monday, 2020-05-04

spotzPanicked I got side tracked and missed starting our meeting!16:44
fungino owrries16:50
fungier, worries16:50
fungiyou've still got 10 minutes16:50
fungialso i was in another meeting up util this moment anyway16:50
fungis/util/until/16:50
fungii must be all typed out16:50
spotzheheh16:51
spotzI was in meetings, ran to the barn, was in meetings, got out from the last one early got distracted and panicked:)16:52
fungiyeah, i still desperately need to find time to finish mowing the lawn too16:53
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spotzI got a battery powered mower this weekend to keep the dog area of the pasture mowed. It was kind of fun but at the same time I'm not doing everything maybe 1/4-1/2 acre maybe a little more16:54
spotzHay SWDevAngel!16:55
fungiyeah, i use an unpowered reel mower, it's a good workout but i also only have ~10ksqft of "grass" to keep up with16:56
fungi(it's really mostly weeds and whatever else has washed in on the tides)16:57
spotzI was conserned I wouldn't be able to push it as it's a pasture not a yard but my little trial went well and it definitely was easier and quicker then the week whacker16:58
fungii still have to do a fair amount with the string trimmer too, yeah16:58
fungiand part of the challenge in pushing the mower is that everything here is sand underneath16:58
fungieasy to get bogged down, and dulls the blades quickly16:59
spotzYeah I've got rocks16:59
fungithankfully not too many rocks here, just a lot of oyster shells16:59
SWDevAngelHi all17:00
fungihowdy!17:00
megheislerHi!17:00
spotz#startmeeting diversity_wg17:01
openstackMeeting started Mon May  4 17:01:00 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)"17:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg'17:01
spotzAnd as usual I had to go look to see what our meeting was called:)17:01
spotz#topic ROll Call17:01
*** openstack changes topic to "ROll Call (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)"17:01
fungialoha, y'all17:01
SWDevAngelHello! :)17:01
spotz#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda17:01
spotzAgenda link17:01
spotz#topic PTG17:03
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spotzI looked to see if I could find the spreadsheet really quick but couldn't17:03
fungilemme dig it up17:03
spotzI put us in for an hour on the first day (Monday) at 16:00-17:00 as it was the closest to our usual time17:03
fungi#link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy17:04
spotzIf everyone wants to check that link and comment if there's a better time17:04
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014126.html17:04
fungithat was the signup announcement with the recommended scheduling guidelines, btw17:04
spotzThe goal is really just to be available if any of the projects want to come talk about being part of the group and we can hold our regular meeting at the same time17:05
fungithat sounds great17:06
spotzI thought the signing up had to be done before we met again but I think it's still open if we need to change17:07
spotzBut I didn't see any conflicts which would keep other projects from popping in17:07
fungiit was more about reserving slots before the limits on how many a team could sign up for are loosened17:08
spotzAnd we're pretty easy as we just need 1 slot17:08
spotzAny thing else on PTG? Day and time work? Basic plan for what we'll do/cover?17:09
spotzOk next topic. If we need to come back to this we can do it at the end.17:11
spotz#topic Possible Channel rename17:11
*** openstack changes topic to "Possible Channel rename (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)"17:11
spotzdiablorojo popped in one day wondering if we shouldn't rename from openstack-diversity to osf-diversity considering we're not just OpenStack and that we report to the board. fungi and I have touched briefly on the feasibility but wanted thoughts if we can do it should we do it17:12
SWDevAngelI've always wondered what you mean by "we report to the board" ???17:13
fungithe diversity and inclusion working group is chartered by the osf board of directors17:14
spotzSo we don't report to the UC or TC17:14
SWDevAngelAnd by "chartered" you mean??? I guess my question is what role they play? How that influences us? Etc. (And yes, kinda same question. Does the UC and TC also "report" to the board?17:15
spotzHence why we're reaching out to the other OSF projects to see if they'd like to me involved in the group17:15
megheislerI would agree with that, it should be clear the we are the OSF diversity group and not specific to the openstack project17:15
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-May/014587.html17:15
fungii included some caveats and a bit about renaming process in my reply there17:16
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation#Committees_.26_Working_Groups17:16
fungiworking groups listed there are created directly by an osf board directive, and are responsible to the board of directors17:16
spotzAnd when it was originally formed the WG was run by board members. I restarted the group back up as it made sense to bring up diversity and inclusion topics and I was the only really active person from the original group still around17:18
fungithe openstack tc and uc don't really report to the board, all three are actually created by the osf bylaws17:18
spotzThat make sense SWDevAngel?17:19
SWDevAngelHi Fungi, I just read your first link. It makes sense what you say about renaming and IF you rename this group, you should rename the others like "board" "foundation" "summit" and also, as you say: reserve it as a namespace prefix with Freenode staff to give us better control over future channels using the same prefix17:19
fungiright now freenode has special records giving some of our contacts in opendev de facto control over any irc channel starting with #openstack or #opendev, so if we expect to have more than a few starting with #osf we should probably get something similar in place17:21
SWDevAngelAgreed. Is there a motion to rename those other groups as well? Maybe all the names should change at once?17:22
spotzWe can definitely bring it up if it's something we wish to do17:22
fungii don't personally see it as urgent, since it's the openstack foundation, and i don't know how much confusion there has been up to this point about the diversity and inclusion working group's scope17:24
SWDevAngelAgreed, doesn't seem THAT urgent, so I would say when they change the other names, change this one too.17:26
SWDevAngelBut if you want to lead by example, I also have no issue with the name change. I think all of us operate with a broader perspective in general, as we all work throughout different communities.17:27
SWDevAngelI should say different projects and communities.17:28
spotzOk we'll leave it for now and address it in the future17:28
spotzWhich leaves us 30 minutes for OPen Discussion:)17:28
spotz#topic Open Discussion17:29
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)"17:29
spotzOnly thing I really have is we're getting some spam to the mentoring list but not outragous amounts. Unfortunately no real emails to the list17:29
SWDevAngelI don't really have much going on. If I can be of any help for PTG let me know but as of now I wasn't planning on attending. (Definitely wasn't attending when it was live, but if you think I could be helpful, happy to attend whatever sessions you recommend. :)17:30
spotzI only booked us that one block. I'll try to attend the First Contact SiG and then OSA and tripleo17:31
spotzSWDevAngel: But please come to that one if you can and attend anything else you find interesting17:34
SWDevAngelWhich one exactly? the First Contact SiG?17:35
SWDevAngelOr the Div WG one at 16:00 you mean?17:35
spotzthe DDiv WG one is us so definitely that one:) First Contact SiG not us but is a good group:)17:36
SWDevAngelOkay, I will put that on my calendar. We don't have another meeting between now and then do we?17:38
funginext meeting would be 2020-06-0117:39
spotzNot officially we could if needed17:39
fungi(that's the first monday of june)17:39
spotzWhich is the first day of PTG17:39
fungiyep17:39
SWDevAngelSo do we need any strategy meetings prior to that session? Or do we just show up and answer questions? Or Amy, are you leading it? Do you have a plan? (I supposed this was the nature of my question... do you need my help?)17:41
SWDevAngelOr rather, would you LIKE my help! I didn't mean to put this all on you and Jeremy! ;)17:41
spotzSWDevAngel: I suspect it will be our normal meeting with no one popping in. BUT if folks do pop in we'll answer any an all question about how we can help their projects and why they should join the gorup:)17:42
SWDevAngelOkay. Here's my next stupid question.... "where" is this meeting happening? Do we need to register for the conference, etc., and is there a conference platform this is happening on? Is it a video meeting, or online only?17:43
spotz#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg17:44
* spotz goes to register:)17:44
fungiheh, yep, please register ;)17:46
spotzDone:)17:47
SWDevAngelOkay, I just registered also.17:47
spotzOk anyone have anything else or would you all like 13 minutes back?17:47
fungithe "where" is still being worked out, odds are there will be a default videoconferencing platform from some service provider made available by osf funds, and then the community has some optional tools they're working on which some teams might choose to use alongside or instead of that17:47
SWDevAngelOkay. Now that we are registered I assume we will get a notification about that?17:48
spotzI can always throw up a google meet or blue jeans room through Red Hat if needed17:48
spotzBut that doesn't make it easy for folks to find us:(17:49
SWDevAngelOkay so just so I'm clear, There's no Div WG session in the Open Infra Summit right? This is the only one? (As part of PTG)?17:53
spotzIt's no seprate from the PTG but no it's got it's 3 tracks17:56
spotznow separate17:56
SWDevAngelYEah, was just reading the website. Okay, just making sure I know where to be when. :)17:57
spotzYeah these virtual ones I think are harder then in person ones17:58
fungiwell, also one of the upcoming ptgbot features is that groups should be able to provide an arbitrary url linking to "where" they're meeting, though the new features for that are still being polished and aren't carved in stone yet17:59
fungibut should be easily findable from ptg.openstack.org once event draws closer17:59
spotzNice so I'll supply a room if we need one18:00
fungii expect it'll have a default one and then you can override it with something else as needed18:00
SWDevAngelokay, sounds good18:00
SWDevAngelit's in my calendar! :)18:01
spotzOk ending log18:01
spotz#endmeeting18:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Please review the survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/OpenStackDiversity and let spotz and/or aprice know if there's anything that needs updating per http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-06-18-19.00.log.html"18:01
openstackMeeting ended Mon May  4 18:01:20 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2020/diversity_wg.2020-05-04-17.01.html18:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2020/diversity_wg.2020-05-04-17.01.txt18:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2020/diversity_wg.2020-05-04-17.01.log.html18:01
spotzThanks all for coming!18:01
SWDevAngelThanks for organizing/leading. :)18:01
spotzMy pleasure:)18:02
fungithanks spotz!!!18:04
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