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| openstackgerrit | Sascha Peilicke proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Sync with global requirements https://review.openstack.org/67044 | 08:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sascha Peilicke proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Sync with global requirements https://review.openstack.org/66902 | 09:17 |
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| Wayland | Hello devs :) Does anybody working on designate shell client logging/bash_completion or other improvements?) | 09:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kirpichyov proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Reduce default logging level and properly init request logger https://review.openstack.org/67112 | 11:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kirpichyov proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Reduce default logging level and properly init request logger https://review.openstack.org/67112 | 11:05 |
| kiall | Wayland: hiya | 11:33 |
| kiall | So, I don't believe there is much in the way of active work on the client - it's not abandoned, it just works. There are some quriks, but nothing critical that I know of | 11:36 |
| kiall | Are you Pavel by any chance? or were the Q and ^ review just a coincidence? | 11:36 |
| Wayland | Yes, it's me | 11:44 |
| Wayland | hey :) | 11:44 |
| kiall | Well - In Jenkins ever does it's thing, that change looks like it should be good :) | 11:48 |
| kiall | If Jenkins* | 11:48 |
| Wayland | I had tested it a bit, no annoying log messages anymore. It was not comfortable to parse designate responses | 11:50 |
| Wayland | database init/sync is still annoying | 11:51 |
| kiall | Yea, with debug/verbose on, those are really noisy .. Without, they should be just enough info (and an appropriate exit code to understand if they failed or not) | 11:53 |
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| kiall | Wayland: actually.. Re the logging thing, I actually thought we fixed that | 12:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67135 | 12:22 |
| Wayland | kiall, INFO logging must be diabled too (by default, it can be turned on with --verbose option key), in shell client at least | 12:26 |
| kiall | Wayland: right, but, have a look at what I see with the current master branch of the client: | 12:27 |
| kiall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1269729 | 12:27 |
| kiall | I'm unsure what's causing you to see the INFO messages and not me | 12:27 |
| Wayland | hm.. | 12:29 |
| kiall | Yep - I'm wondering what could be different too :) | 12:29 |
| kiall | Let me check I've got the latest of all the deps installed.. Maybe thats it | 12:31 |
| Wayland | Probably I'm using client 1.0.0 | 12:32 |
| kiall | Ah - It must be fixed in master then, I thought we fixed it, but it's not obvious in the the commit logs. | 12:33 |
| kiall | lovely. Latest python-keystoneclient spits out | 12:33 |
| kiall | WARNING: Failed to retrieve management_url from token | 12:33 |
| Wayland | no, master looks like 1.0.0. in shell.py | 12:33 |
| Wayland | Which version of python-cliff you use? | 12:34 |
| kiall | $ pip freeze | grep cliff | 12:35 |
| kiall | cliff==1.5.2 | 12:35 |
| kiall | cliff-tablib==1.1 | 12:35 |
| Wayland | 1.4.5 | 12:35 |
| Wayland | Main line in my change is DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL = 0 | 12:36 |
| Wayland | DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL is 1 in my cliff :) | 12:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67143 | 12:36 |
| Wayland | https://github.com/dreamhost/cliff/blob/1.4.4/cliff/app.py#L63 | 12:36 |
| Wayland | It looks like verbose is turned on by default | 12:39 |
| Wayland | your dist? | 12:40 |
| kiall | Yea - DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL = 0 makes perfect sense.. I wonder, with that, can we ditch the other logging config? | 12:40 |
| Wayland | Which one? | 12:43 |
| Wayland | initialize_app in my change? | 12:43 |
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| kiall | Wayland: sorry, was AFK.. Yea, the code you moved, I wonder if it's still needed after setting DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL=0 | 12:54 |
| Wayland | Another code is another part of logging :D of requests library :) | 12:56 |
| Wayland | cliff does not know anything about requests lib :) | 12:57 |
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| Wayland | or it's useless :D | 13:00 |
| kiall | Well - DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL seems to be setting the level for the root logger, so it will catch the requests logs and handle them appropriately I think? | 13:01 |
| kiall | https://github.com/dreamhost/cliff/blob/1.4.4/cliff/app.py#L162 | 13:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67135 | 13:04 |
| Wayland | Looks so, it's mean DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL is enough? | 13:05 |
| Wayland | DEFAULT_VERBOSE_LEVEL = 0, I mean | 13:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67143 | 13:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kirpichyov proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Disable verbose logging by default https://review.openstack.org/67112 | 13:08 |
| kiall | Wayland: I think so - It certainly looks that way | 13:08 |
| Wayland | kiall, yes, working well | 13:09 |
| kiall | Cool :) | 13:09 |
| Wayland | btw, does anybody working on horizon plugin? | 13:12 |
| kiall | Wayland: HP has a horizon "plugin", it's not something we can extract into it's own repo and publish though (I've been talking to our Horizon guys recently about it). The moment we go Incubated, we'll submit it to Horizon. | 13:14 |
| kiall | I did have a really basic start @ https://github.com/moniker-dns/horizon/ (Could manage domains, but not records etc) | 13:14 |
| kiall | But it's well outdated at this point.. | 13:14 |
| Wayland | I had tested this code already :) | 13:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Dirk Mueller proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: There are no mox tests, so remove dependency https://review.openstack.org/67150 | 13:15 |
| Wayland | kiall: designate soon can be moved into main openstack repos? | 13:19 |
| kiall | Wayland: Maybe.. We'd have to re-apply for incubation, and be accepted first.. | 13:20 |
| kiall | We applied in the past, but there was concerns over the # of active developers | 13:20 |
| Wayland | kiall, gl with that ;) | 13:21 |
| kiall | ;) | 13:21 |
| Wayland | I had already asked, but anyway... It's possible that, database init/sync can be merged into one command? Why it's implemented so?) | 13:23 |
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| kiall | Wayland: so, it was for 2 reasons.. 1) It gives a tiny bit of extra safety.. If the migrate_versions table gets damaged etc, and they were both 1 command, god only knows what would happen to the data ;) | 13:26 |
| kiall | and 2) That's how all the projects used to do it! We never saw a good reason to follow their lead on that change | 13:27 |
| Wayland | ok, but how to check with CLI if database is already inited? | 13:31 |
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| kiall | That's a good question :) I tend to just "run it" | 13:32 |
| kiall | We could probably add a exit code of 2 or something if it's already initialized, allowing you to know it's already init'd or if the init failed | 13:34 |
| Wayland | :)))) I have chef recipes to deploy openstack with designate, currently I use hacks to skip errors :) | 13:34 |
| Wayland | With other openstack component I dont care about that, sync is enough :) | 13:36 |
| kiall | We always avoided having CM deploy our databases.. The though of unattended migrations is scary as hell ;) | 13:36 |
| kiall | If MySQL supported transnational DDL changes .. it wouldn't be so scary.. But.. It doesn't :( | 13:37 |
| kiall | transactional* | 13:37 |
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| Wayland | kiall: thanks for info :) | 13:47 |
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| kiall | no prolem | 13:50 |
| kiall | problem* | 13:52 |
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| cflmarques | Kiall: HI kial, in order to create a PTR record with designate do I have install some kind of reverse DNs on powerdns? | 14:24 |
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| kiall | cflmarques: That depends really.. | 14:35 |
| kiall | You can do PTRs and reverse DNS the traditional way without any additional setup.. just create the reverse DNS zone like you would any other | 14:35 |
| kiall | e.g. creating a 0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. zone | 14:35 |
| kiall | or - we've just merged some initial support for reverse DNS for floating IPs - which have some oddities in a multi-tenant environment | 14:36 |
| kiall | e.g. tenant 1 might have 192.168.0.1, and needs to be able to control the 1.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. record.. while tenant 2 might have 192.168.0.2, and needs to be able to control the 2.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. record.. | 14:37 |
| kiall | That just merged stuff can be pointed at neutron, and it'll allow users to control the PTR records of the floating IPs associated with their projects | 14:37 |
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| cflmarques | thanks Kiall. For now and because I am doing some tests I will use the traditional way for PTR creation | 14:45 |
| cflmarques | you merged this info right? http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/integrations.html#reverse-floatingip | 14:46 |
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| jmcbride | kiall: What was TSIG implemented for (e.g. dynamic updates or mast/slave communications)? | 15:12 |
| kiall | jmcbride: it was implemented to provide support for 3rd parties to AXFR zones from us (Specifically Akamai for HP) | 15:12 |
| kiall | It needs some .. expansion to really be considered supported | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavel Kirpichyov proposed a change to stackforge/python-designateclient: Disable verbose logging by default https://review.openstack.org/67112 | 16:32 |
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| Wayland | kiall: I had corrected branch name of my change, re-approval required :) | 16:36 |
| kiall | Done - Also the branch name is meaningless once it merges ;) (Unless you targeted one of the stable branches?) | 16:37 |
| Wayland | I had targeted to master, but not specified bug/1269729 | 16:39 |
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| kiall | ah .. generally that's not so important so long as you include "Closes-Bug: XXX" in the commit message | 16:42 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/python-designateclient: Sync with global requirements https://review.openstack.org/67044 | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Sync with global requirements https://review.openstack.org/66902 | 16:44 |
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| richm | Hello. My name is Rich Megginson (rmeggins@redhat.com). I'm interested in Designate, primarily around integration with IPA DNS, DNSSEC, and integration with Keystone. | 16:49 |
| artom | richm, come over to #openstack-dns :) | 16:49 |
| artom | Oh wait, you're here - too many tabs open. | 16:50 |
| richm | artom: Yeah, just wanted to introduce myself to the community. | 16:50 |
| mugsie | richm: welcome | 16:54 |
| mugsie | I'm Graham Hayes (HP) - newly elected member of core :) | 16:55 |
| richm | mugsie: Hello | 16:55 |
| mugsie | richm: IPA DNS, as in the FreeIPA LDAP backed one? | 16:57 |
| mugsie | cool | 16:57 |
| richm | mugsie: yes | 16:57 |
| mugsie | well, we meet on wednesdays (17:00 UTC) in #openstack-meeting-alt, and most of us are in here throughout the day | 16:58 |
| richm | ok | 16:58 |
| mugsie | wednesday is only really for major decisions on blueprint direction etc, most of the time we are in here | 16:59 |
| mugsie | what timezone are you in? | 16:59 |
| richm | US MST | 16:59 |
| mugsie | I am in Dublin, Ireland (UTC) | 16:59 |
| mugsie | cool.. i think Rackspace guys are about the same.. | 17:00 |
| mugsie | Sorry, they are CST | 17:00 |
| richm | I get up early, so no worries | 17:01 |
| mugsie | and I get up late | 17:01 |
| mugsie | so we should overlap :) | 17:01 |
| richm | most software developers do :-) | 17:02 |
| mugsie | it is a trend alright | 17:02 |
| kiall | mugsie: nah, us developers are known for our 5am starts... | 17:03 |
| richm | lol | 17:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/python-designateclient: Disable verbose logging by default https://review.openstack.org/67112 | 19:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67143 | 19:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/python-designateclient: Remove dependencies on pep8, pyflakes and flake8 https://review.openstack.org/67135 | 19:48 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/python-designateclient: There are no mox tests, so remove dependency https://review.openstack.org/67150 | 19:48 |
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| rjrjr | kiall, are you on? | 20:11 |
| kiall | rjrjr: I am - whats up? | 20:11 |
| rjrjr | been getting a change of direction the last few weeks. it looks like we want to use Nominum for our backend DNS server. | 20:12 |
| rjrjr | Nominum is proprietary however. would the community accept a backend driver for it? | 20:12 |
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| kiall | I don't see a reason why not, nova has support for MS Hyper-V and VMWare ESX .. Both proprietary. | 20:13 |
| artom | Nova has backends for VMWare... | 20:13 |
| kiall | I know with the likes of Nova, the only real caveat is test requirements are much higher .. as it can't be expected for every developer to be able to have it available.. | 20:14 |
| rjrjr | perfect. Nominum has a Python library i will use in the code. i could mock this for testing. | 20:15 |
| kiall | Our backend testing situation is somewhat .. awful (Is that word too meek?) So, I'm not sure what we would want there.. But.. We defiantly want to be able to verify things are working like they should be | 20:16 |
| artom | Speaking of which, those tests I wrote for PowerDNS... | 20:17 |
| artom | They don't do anything PowerDNS specific (besides setUp() obviously)... | 20:17 |
| artom | If I move them into the base backend test class will all hell break loose? | 20:17 |
| kiall | artom: that should work, as they only test it doesn't blow up rather than digging into PDNS to verify it worked correctly. | 20:18 |
| kiall | (from memory of the tests.. ) | 20:18 |
| artom | 'Zactly | 20:19 |
| kiall | Verification's could be added per-backend by overriding the method and calling super() or something .. | 20:19 |
| kiall | Not sure how well that might work in reality with needing to mock some things, but.. Still might be worth a shot | 20:20 |
| artom | I think so far there are no backend tests besides PowerDNS and NSD4, no? | 20:20 |
| kiall | Yep - pretty much | 20:21 |
| * artom crosses all evarything and tries. | 20:21 | |
| kiall | I'm willing to be - worst case, it finds some bugs | 20:21 |
| rjrjr | i'll make sure to include backend tests. | 20:21 |
| kiall | (Just looked at your tests again) | 20:21 |
| kiall | rjrjr: ohh | 20:22 |
| kiall | is the nominum python client open source? what license? | 20:22 |
| kiall | (That does matter ;)) | 20:22 |
| rjrjr | i'm pretty sure it is not. but i need to get clarification. why? | 20:22 |
| kiall | Well, having requirements (even optional ones) that are closed source is not something I know of any openstack project doing.. And .. There's a huge push for banning requirements who don't have downloads hosted on pypi | 20:23 |
| kiall | I don't know of any* | 20:24 |
| rjrjr | okay. that could be a problem... | 20:24 |
| rjrjr | let me talk to the relevant resource inhouse. | 20:26 |
| kiall | I wonder if having a mock is generally considered acceptable for that kinda thing - it probably is, but I have no clue. I've not had proprietary dependencies that aren't abstracted away over some HTTP or similar protocol before.. | 20:26 |
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| kiall | e.g. does writing the mock somehow release proprietary Nominum IP? | 20:27 |
| rjrjr | all good questions/concerns. i'll followup inhouse and find out. | 20:28 |
| rjrjr | different subject: | 20:28 |
| kiall | rjrjr: You could always ask Nominum for them to open source it ;) They aren't adverse to that (see dnspython..) | 20:28 |
| rjrjr | i still will work on the BIND9 driver too. i think to fix the problem with deleting records, we should wrap nsupdate instead of using rndc reload. i think rndc should remain for the zone management (add/delete) only. nsupdate can be used for add/delete/modify records. | 20:28 |
| rjrjr | i believe that will be an option we will pursue. | 20:28 |
| kiall | That sounds reasonable, the RackSpace guys are interested in better BIND support too, they might have stronger opinions than I on the best method :) | 20:31 |
| rjrjr | great. i've been quiet here lately, but that is mostly me getting new marching orders and following through. :) | 20:33 |
| rjrjr | did get a chance to build RPMs for designate/designateclient and can share my findings via bugs and such. should have those up in a few days. | 20:34 |
| rjrjr | artom/kiall, thanks for the feedback. | 20:34 |
| artom | rjrjr, thanks, but I just talked about unrelated PowerDNS tests ;) | 20:35 |
| rjrjr | okay then. i'll just thank kiall now and i'm sure i'll get to thank you later for something. :) | 20:36 |
| artom | Haha :D | 20:37 |
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| artom | Hrmm, I feel I'd have to undo ekarlso's work on testscenarios... | 21:31 |
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| artom | While every backend implements the same API, each needs a different way to set it up in testing. | 21:32 |
| artom | So scenarios don't work that well here. | 21:32 |
| kiall | artom: there's a bug in that anyway, it's executing all the tests.. twice. | 21:40 |
| kiall | (all the testscenario stuff anyway) | 21:41 |
| artom | kiall, rippity-rip-out I go then. | 21:41 |
| artom | And yet... surely testing everything twice it more better because more tests, right? ;) | 21:42 |
| artom | *is | 21:42 |
| tsimmons | kiall: Not sure if you're around but you'll see it at some point. I think I've got the database transactions working without a manual rollback. It uses of subtransactions. http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/session.html#using-subtransactions-with-autocommit I need to think about it a little more and understand/test what all it's doing. But, just thought I'd throw it out there. | 21:56 |
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