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| ekarlso | anyone around here ? | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Add Unit Tests for Blacklists V2 https://review.openstack.org/73685 | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Endre Karlson proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Adds support for paging in the storage layer https://review.openstack.org/73532 | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Add a new ExtensionPlugin class https://review.openstack.org/72317 | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Add a new ExtensionPlugin class https://review.openstack.org/72317 | 14:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: provide designate getting started instructions for Fedora 19 https://review.openstack.org/67598 | 14:26 |
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| eankutse | Kiall: heya! | 14:45 |
| kiall | eankutse: heya | 14:45 |
| kiall | Sorry i missed you the other day re the POC | 14:45 |
| eankutse | thanks for info on Nova filtering code | 14:45 |
| eankutse | np | 14:45 |
| eankutse | so, when can we touch base on PIC? | 14:45 |
| kiall | If you have time today (in an hour or so..), lets chat? | 14:45 |
| eankutse | POC | 14:45 |
| eankutse | yes | 14:45 |
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| eankutse | cool. Hit you at 15:45 UTC | 14:46 |
| kiall | Perfect | 14:46 |
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| eankutse | Kiall: Regarding APIv2 Structured Data ( https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/APIv2StructuredData) and the vendor (VND) mime-type approach, should we consider adding a mime-type property to the VND (say version=1.0) just to make it easier to make changes to the types in the future, if that need arose, without breaking existing users? For example: | 15:10 |
| eankutse | application/vnd.openstack.designate-v2-structured+json becomes application/vnd.openstack.designate-v2-structured+json;version=1.0 | 15:10 |
| eankutse | This then allows us to do application/vnd.openstack.designate-v2-structured+json;version=2.0 if we need to without affecting users who do not want to move to the new structure. | 15:10 |
| kiall | eankutse: good question - I didn't think that was possible TBH.. | 15:11 |
| eankutse | the suffixed version=x.y is just part of the entire mime-type | 15:11 |
| eankutse | so that is one approach that can be used to "version" the types | 15:12 |
| eankutse | without forcing all users to move to it | 15:12 |
| eankutse | However | 15:12 |
| eankutse | I am not sure how that might fit with the corresponding plain (String) types | 15:12 |
| kiall | Yea - I've been thinking "application/json" should essentially be an "alias" for the default type.. | 15:15 |
| kiall | Where both the structured and string variations are given a "proper" type | 15:15 |
| kiall | But.. Haven't had time to fully think through the details | 15:15 |
| eankutse | k. | 15:16 |
| eankutse | maybe we can update the wiki with the suggestion above and have some discussion time at some point | 15:16 |
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| eankutse | Would you like me to update the wiki? | 15:17 |
| kiall | eankutse: please do :) | 15:18 |
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| mugsie | eankutse: there is also a thread about how people are looking at doing this for version discovery on openstack APIs - | 15:27 |
| mugsie | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027103.html | 15:27 |
| mugsie | sorry, thisis hwere the thread starts http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027057.html | 15:27 |
| eankutse | mugsie: Thanks for the reference to the thread. | 15:29 |
| eankutse | Looks like this thread is mainly about API versioning | 15:29 |
| mugsie | yup, but there is disscussion on the wiki about media types | 15:30 |
| mugsie | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VersionDiscovery#media-types | 15:30 |
| mugsie | they are suggesting a 'base' type (application/json' etc | 15:30 |
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| mugsie | then a 'type' with would be our vnd. media type | 15:31 |
| mugsie | with versions, appended to make it compatible | 15:31 |
| mugsie | (like you suggested) | 15:31 |
| eankutse | mugsie: just took a quick glance - so I'll add this reference to our wiki as well. Thx :-) | 15:32 |
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| vinod | Regarding the mime type property rather than having the project name 'designate' does it make more sense to have 'dns' in there? | 15:44 |
| vinod | i.e. instead of application/vnd.openstack.designate-v2-structured+json have it as application/vnd.openstack.dns-v2-structured+json | 15:44 |
| mugsie | that does seem to match the other projects | 15:50 |
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| kiall | eankutse: heya - about? | 15:55 |
| eankutse | heya | 15:55 |
| kiall | Cool.. So.. The POC's.. | 15:55 |
| eankutse | yes | 15:55 |
| kiall | One of the necessary pre-requisites is the structured data stuff I've started on. | 15:56 |
| eankutse | I think we have a lag - FYI | 15:56 |
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| eankutse | ok. structured data is pre-req | 15:57 |
| kiall | When using dnspython, or a DIY lib, they are going to need to be passed the individual components of the RData, rather than the string representiation. | 15:57 |
| eankutse | k | 15:57 |
| kiall | So - I was thinking the fastest way to get that pre-req dealt with is to create a new github repo for the POC's, which would have a mock of our storage layer that returns the data in structured way | 15:58 |
| kiall | (no DB actually involved, just some dict's of the data hardcoded into the "storage" class) | 15:58 |
| eankutse | k | 15:59 |
| kiall | Assuming the mock API is kept as close as possible to what we'll have once we merge the structured data stuff, that lets us build the POC's without being blocked on it | 15:59 |
| eankutse | agree | 15:59 |
| kiall | And - Since Mini-DNS will only interact with storage, it shouldn't be too much effort | 16:00 |
| eankutse | yea | 16:00 |
| kiall | Whats your GitHub username? | 16:00 |
| eankutse | pubic github right? | 16:00 |
| kiall | Yep | 16:00 |
| eankutse | eankutse | 16:00 |
| kiall | heh .. I should have guessed ;) | 16:01 |
| eankutse | :-) | 16:01 |
| eankutse | just got email | 16:02 |
| kiall | https://github.com/designate-dns/minidns-poc | 16:02 |
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| kiall | Just created that as a home for the POC | 16:02 |
| eankutse | k | 16:02 |
| eankutse | So the goal of the dual approach POC is | 16:03 |
| eankutse | 1) To see how DIY compares with dnspython in meeting our miniDNS needs | 16:03 |
| eankutse | - AXFR mainly | 16:03 |
| kiall | Yea - The goal is to build both options out - Starting with the ability to do a SOA query against it, then the ability to AXFR | 16:05 |
| eankutse | Cool | 16:05 |
| eankutse | While on the topic, do you know about Twisted Names DNS Server? | 16:05 |
| eankutse | https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/TwistedNames | 16:05 |
| kiall | Anything based on Twisted is a non starter :( | 16:06 |
| eankutse | ok. :-) | 16:06 |
| eankutse | maybe you can update me in email on why? | 16:06 |
| kiall | Twisted is essentially a whole framework for async networking, and it doesn't play nice with eventlet or anything that's not twisted | 16:07 |
| eankutse | ok. So async framework vs eventlet | 16:08 |
| kiall | It's one of those libraries that either, it's the only thing you use, and everything is built specifically for twisted, or you can't use any of it | 16:08 |
| eankutse | ok. Sounds like you've had some experience with it | 16:08 |
| eankutse | How about if one just want tointegrate it as one of our backends? | 16:09 |
| kiall | Very little actually :) But it's well known to not play nice with anything else | 16:09 |
| eankutse | Would that be as much problem as well? | 16:09 |
| kiall | Maybe, I'm not sure TBH | 16:10 |
| artom | kiall, the "minidns" is used by a lot of other stuff - maybe come up with a "proper" Designate name right away? | 16:11 |
| eankutse | hmmm….. | 16:11 |
| eankutse | Do you have any in mind? | 16:11 |
| kiall | artom: yea, probably needs a better name.. But that's bikeshed territory ;) | 16:11 |
| eankutse | Yea. Should we put this up for discussion? | 16:12 |
| mugsie | well - it is going to start getting referenced everywhere pretty soon | 16:12 |
| mugsie | (just look at my bps just filed) | 16:12 |
| mugsie | stick it down for wed? | 16:12 |
| eankutse | Yes. I'll add it to agenda | 16:12 |
| kiall | Let's called with `designate-voonte` .. that's what the name generator suggested ;) | 16:13 |
| mugsie | I will send an email to -dev asking people to suggest names in advance | 16:13 |
| kiall | (kidding.. really!) | 16:13 |
| artom | Subdns? | 16:13 |
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| artom | (Subset-dns) | 16:13 |
| eankutse | which name generator did you use? | 16:13 |
| kiall | mugsie: really? a bikeshed topic like that? ;) | 16:13 |
| kiall | eankutse: http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html ;) | 16:13 |
| eankutse | Let's see what others think? | 16:14 |
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| eankutse | we could come up with some suggestions | 16:14 |
| mugsie | kiall: just to add the names to the agenda topci | 16:14 |
| mugsie | suggest.name ftw ;) | 16:14 |
| eankutse | Added item to agenda (Future meetings) | 16:17 |
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| artom | We could set up a form for people to suggest names and vote? | 16:34 |
| kiall | artom: easier to just get people to suggest names under the meeting agenda item, then vote during the meet I reckon | 16:45 |
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| artom | kiall, true, true. | 17:00 |
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| kiall | eankutse: anyway, re the POC, I'll try get that mock written up tomorrow | 17:01 |
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| vinod | kiall: Currently do we have any relationship specified between the servers and the domains in the code or in the tables? | 17:04 |
| vinod | I looked briefly at the code and except for the check for at least 1 server, I did not find anything else. | 17:04 |
| kiall | Right now, no.. all domains "have" all servers | 17:05 |
| kiall | that changes soon though, with the pools stuff graham is finally getting back to :) | 17:05 |
| vinod | so at that point when a domain is created will NS records be automatically be created? | 17:06 |
| kiall | Today, we create the SOA/NS records in the backend.. We'll want to move those to Storage before MiniDNS is built though | 17:07 |
| vinod | thx kiall | 17:08 |
| kiall | W00t - new 1.1 staging environment is bootstrapping now, all the states seem to be applying cleanly. | 17:11 |
| kiall | uhh | 17:11 |
| kiall | wrong window .. | 17:11 |
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| eankutse | Kiall: re the POC - I'll readup further on dnspython. Will be watching out for the mock in the repo. Thx! | 17:12 |
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| vinod | mugsie: Regarding the pictures and the gif that you drew up for the pool/minidns interactions - just wondering what you used to create the pictures | 17:49 |
| mugsie | visio | 17:55 |
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| mugsie | vinod: ^ | 17:55 |
| harmw | artom: you wanted to talk? | 17:57 |
| artom | harmw, oh, you attached a patch file to bug 1280418 | 17:58 |
| harmw | yes, what about it :) | 17:58 |
| artom | The openstack way of doing that is through Gerrit | 17:58 |
| harmw | oh ok, I'm used to 'just attaching it to the corresponding bug' | 17:59 |
| artom | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 17:59 |
| artom | Yeah, no worries | 17:59 |
| harmw | plus, Gerrit feels more like suited for fulltime devvers | 18:00 |
| artom | Yeah, it's a lot of overhead for a simple bugfix... | 18:00 |
| harmw | which is probably why I never bothered looking into big G :) | 18:01 |
| artom | But it's really the only way of getting code merged :) | 18:01 |
| artom | In any OpenStack project | 18:01 |
| harmw | hehe, guess Ill just have to look into it | 18:01 |
| artom | That link looks like a complicated wall of text, but you do it once and it becomes very simple. | 18:02 |
| harmw | plus a little getting used to git | 18:03 |
| artom | That's always a good thing to have ;) | 18:04 |
| harmw | indeed, though I'm more accustomed to svn :) | 18:05 |
| harmw | and only every now and then have to touch git | 18:05 |
| artom | You can always have someone else submit the patch to Gerrit for you. But you seem to care about karma... >;) | 18:07 |
| harmw | :> | 18:07 |
| harmw | "I identify my gender as:" | 18:07 |
| harmw | wtf | 18:07 |
| harmw | "Let me specify"... | 18:08 |
| artom | "Oppressed" | 18:09 |
| harmw | and why is affiliation required | 18:09 |
| artom | Is it? That seems dumb... | 18:10 |
| harmw | "You must add at least one Affiliation." | 18:11 |
| harmw | and yes, thats quite dumb since I'm just joining out of personal motivation | 18:11 |
| harmw | :) | 18:11 |
| harmw | ekarlso: ping | 18:20 |
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| artom | So, am I correct in thinking that the reason find_config looks in state_path is in because in the case of python setup.py develop state_path is the code you're working on... | 18:37 |
| artom | And regardless, state_path is for state, not configuration... | 18:37 |
| artom | Semantically, it makes no sense to look for the configuration in state_path... | 18:38 |
| harmw | wasn't state_path a whole different bug? | 18:38 |
| artom | Yeah, I'm thinking out loud :) | 18:39 |
| artom | Setting its default to /var/lib/designate had some unintended side effects :P | 18:39 |
| harmw | ah, well the default location was changed last week I think - though I'm not sure to what | 18:40 |
| artom | Eh? | 18:41 |
| artom | I submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73717/ ... | 18:41 |
| artom | It hasn't merged yet - fails unit tests | 18:41 |
| harmw | oh, my bad - I'm mixing up some stuff here, sorry | 18:41 |
| kiall | artom: yea, we (ab)use state_path during find_config, which needs to be fixed before we change the default state_path :( | 18:42 |
| artom | Whelp, the PS I submit for that will be titled "Stop abusing state_path in find_config" | 18:43 |
| artom | :D | 18:43 |
| kiall | :) | 18:46 |
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| harmw | hm, artom I've just typed my commitmsg at the commit --amend step | 19:01 |
| harmw | but what should I type at commit -a ? | 19:01 |
| artom | Hrmm, they actually have it in the wrong order :( | 19:05 |
| artom | commit -a takes all tracked modified files and creates a commit from them | 19:06 |
| artom | commit --amend modifies the last commit. | 19:06 |
| ekarlso | harmw: yo | 19:06 |
| artom | So you'd commit -a, and if for some reason the Change-id isn't added, you commit --amend without changing anything and it should add the Change-id | 19:06 |
| artom | http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/getting-involved.html | 19:07 |
| artom | That's probably clearer | 19:07 |
| harmw | now he tells me :p | 19:07 |
| artom | But you see it links to the previous link, so it wasn't for nothing :) | 19:07 |
| artom | harmw, apologies :( I hadn't read it myself in a long time. | 19:07 |
| harmw | np np :) | 19:07 |
| harmw | ekarlso: you said hi a few days ago, probably because of my question | 19:08 |
| harmw | :) | 19:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Harm Weites proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Adds a setting for the location of the nzf files. https://review.openstack.org/74132 | 19:19 |
| harmw | oh my | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Stop abusing state_path in find_config https://review.openstack.org/74133 | 19:19 |
| kiall | artom: 99% sure ^ is going to fail Jenkins again | 19:20 |
| kiall | and .. cwd is totally scary to use ;) | 19:20 |
| artom | kiall, it worked locally... | 19:20 |
| kiall | Having it use the pybasedir config would mimic the current config exactly | 19:20 |
| kiall | current code* | 19:21 |
| artom | In that case can we call it something else? | 19:23 |
| artom | It's more 'designate-install-dir'... | 19:23 |
| kiall | pybasedir is used by a few other things in oslo | 19:24 |
| artom | Ahhh | 19:24 |
| kiall | and mimics the current behaviour (since state_path defaults to the value of pybasedir currently) | 19:24 |
| artom | Yeah, I totally see that | 19:24 |
| artom | (Now) | 19:25 |
| kiall | anyway - os.cwd() will depend on the folder your in when you start designate.. which is wrong :) | 19:26 |
| artom | I've seen apps look for config in the current folder. | 19:27 |
| artom | /etc/designate was still in the list of possible choices | 19:27 |
| harmw | "ERROR: tox version is 1.4.2, required is at least 1.6" isn't that just great | 19:28 |
| artom | I think even oslo does it... | 19:29 |
| kiall | Yea - ubuntu ships with a really old version of tox | 19:29 |
| artom | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo/config/cfg.py#L422 | 19:29 |
| harmw | kiall: Im running fedora (19) :) | 19:29 |
| artom | Ah, no, I'm confusing home directory and current directory :( | 19:30 |
| * artom wonders what happened to brain. | 19:30 | |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Stop abusing state_path in find_config https://review.openstack.org/74133 | 19:31 |
| kiall | artom: ^ looks good, rebasing this over it should work now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73717/ | 19:32 |
| kiall | (Maybe actually, since Jenkins etc is probably going to try writing to /var/lib/designate.. we may need to override it somewhere in the tests) | 19:33 |
| artom | It worked locally as non-root... | 19:34 |
| * artom thinks something went wrong with the +2... | 19:42 | |
| harmw | kiall: could you help me out little on how to proceed with your review? | 19:43 |
| harmw | I've run tox and changed the code, though I'm unsure on how to change the commit title | 19:43 |
| kiall | harmw: basically, your change broke some of the code style rules for OpenStack.. | 19:43 |
| harmw | (spanking myself for not running tox in the first places comes later) | 19:44 |
| kiall | So, there was 2 issues - the "commit title" and one line being too long | 19:44 |
| kiall | once the line being too long is fixed, you can `git commit -a --amend` | 19:44 |
| kiall | and it'll add that change, and let you edit the commit message again | 19:44 |
| kiall | then `git-review` to re-submit | 19:44 |
| kiall | Before you do though, is "zone-path" the right name for the config option? | 19:45 |
| kiall | Zone path sounds to me like where the zonefiles will be placed, rather than BIND9's cache directory? | 19:46 |
| kiall | nzf_path might be a more meaningful name? | 19:46 |
| harmw | hm hm, good one | 19:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Harm Weites proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Adds a setting for the location of the nzf files https://review.openstack.org/74132 | 19:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Endre Karlson proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Adds support for paging in the storage layer https://review.openstack.org/73532 | 19:50 |
| harmw | why am I listed as reviewer for my own commit? | 19:52 |
| harmw | perhaps because I choose to view the side-by-side diff? (which probably also set the check at reviewed) | 19:53 |
| kiall | harmw: yea, you almost always end up as a reviewer on your own commits ;) | 19:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Stop abusing state_path in find_config https://review.openstack.org/74133 | 20:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Adds a setting for the location of the nzf files https://review.openstack.org/74132 | 20:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Default state-path to /var/lib/designate https://review.openstack.org/73717 | 20:22 |
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| puck | This might be kinda crazy, but is anyone working for a standalone web interface to Designate? | 21:54 |
| puck | s/for/on/ | 21:54 |
| artom | puck, no. | 21:59 |
| artom | There's some Horizon integration here: https://github.com/moniker-dns/horizon | 21:59 |
| artom | Besides knowing it exists I don't know much else though :( | 21:59 |
| puck | Ta. We currently have a crusty in-house PHP that non-admins use to manage their zonefiles. I want to rip it out and thought that Designate could be a nice replacement. | 22:00 |
| puck | Hmm, no commits since August. :( | 22:01 |
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| betsy | puck: No commits where since August? | 22:24 |
| puck | https://github.com/moniker-dns/horizon | 22:24 |
| betsy | Ah. There's been a name change from moniker to designate | 22:25 |
| puck | ah ha | 22:25 |
| betsy | https://github.com/stackforge/designate | 22:25 |
| puck | But does that include the horizon screens? | 22:26 |
| betsy | That should look better. :) | 22:26 |
| betsy | hmmm | 22:26 |
| betsy | Not that I know of. I didn't work on it when it was moniker, though, so I'm not familiar with what it had | 22:26 |
| puck | heh | 22:27 |
| betsy | Here are the docs: http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 22:27 |
| puck | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/34574 nothing else in the dev list since that | 22:28 |
| betsy | Does look like you can enable horizon with nova enabled | 22:28 |
| mugsie | unfortunatly horizon doesn't really allow p[lugins | 22:28 |
| mugsie | so we havent done much work on horizon at all | 22:29 |
| puck | :( | 22:29 |
| betsy | I'm not familiar with horizon, but it's mentioned in the docs here: http://designate.readthedocs.org/en/latest/devstack.html?highlight=horizon | 22:29 |
| mugsie | I know when we are incubated, the HP Cloud one is going to be opensourced | 22:29 |
| puck | betsy: yeah, but it's commented out. ;) | 22:29 |
| mugsie | our in house horizon team have one made, but its not in there yet | 22:30 |
| puck | mugsie: cool | 22:30 |
| mugsie | the one in there is VERY basic | 22:30 |
| mugsie | and I am not sure if it has anything clode to what you would need to actually use it yet | 22:30 |
| mugsie | close* | 22:30 |
| puck | Right, so probably not up to what I want. And I also want to have an install which doesn't provide OpenStack access. | 22:31 |
| mugsie | puck: seems like it unfortunatly | 22:31 |
| mugsie | currently we do use the keystone middleware for auth etc as well | 22:32 |
| mugsie | so you would need to put in a new middleware piece to do auth / multi tenant if you wanted it | 22:32 |
| puck | yeah, I figured I'd see if I could create users with limited access | 22:33 |
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