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openstackgerritEndre Karlson proposed openstack/designate: Support secondary zones  https://review.openstack.org/13368210:22
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:11:02
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/139035711:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1390357 in designate "Designate sync creates duplicated records in powerdns backend" [Medium,New]11:02
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/128944411:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1289444 in designate "Designate with postgres backend is having issues" [Undecided,New]11:03
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/133825611:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1338256 in designate "There's no record validation in v2" [Undecided,New]11:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/designate: Add DynECT DevStack plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13886612:18
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/designate: Add bashate tox env for DevStack plugin  https://review.openstack.org/13784413:16
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openstackgerritEndre Karlson proposed openstack/designate: Support secondary zones  https://review.openstack.org/13368215:58
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/designate: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/14005116:17
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untriaged-botUntriaged bugs so far:17:02
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/139035717:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1390357 in designate "Designate sync creates duplicated records in powerdns backend" [Medium,New]17:02
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/128944417:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1289444 in designate "Designate with postgres backend is having issues" [Undecided,New]17:03
untriaged-bothttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/133825617:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1338256 in designate "There's no record validation in v2" [Undecided,New]17:03
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vinod1kiall: The bind9 tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139748/ complain about the SOA not being found. On my local devstack I do not see this issue. Also my change does not affect the SOA records. Any ideas what could be wrong here?17:12
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openstackgerritJohn Belamaric proposed openstack/designate:     Infoblox backend for Designate  https://review.openstack.org/13882417:29
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ekarlso-timsim: / vinod1 how you guys like the docs for secondary zones done ?18:43
ekarlso-wondering if I should make a seperate section for it ?18:43
vinod1Do you have a link for that?18:44
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timsimekarlso-^19:01
ekarlso-vinod1: link for what ?19:02
ekarlso-I mean to the rest section of zones.rst19:02
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timsimOh so you haven't done it.19:02
timsimOk, yeah I'd say a section like mugsie did here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/rest/v2/zones.html#transfer-zone19:03
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ekarlso-timsim: doesn't that make alot of docs though for nearly the same thing vs specifying the difference in the docs on the zones ?19:29
timsimIt's a pretty separate concept from regular zones though, lots of differences from an API perspective. I think a different section would make those differences clear, and be easy for people who were only trying to find out about secondary zones to get what they need. IMO the more docs the better.19:32
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openstackgerritBetsy Luzader proposed openstack/designate:   Pool_Attribute API  https://review.openstack.org/13354919:50
openstackgerritBetsy Luzader proposed openstack/designate:   Migrate Server table  https://review.openstack.org/13644019:50
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Kialltimsim / ekarlso-: I personally think we should move our docs towards an "API Spec" and a "Howtos" section19:58
KiallAPI spec says "masters: Required if zone type is SECONDARY, must be a list of IPs"19:58
KiallHowto says "To create a secondary zone, bla bla"19:59
betsykiall: +120:10
mugsieKiall: yup... but for the current format of the docs, i like timsim's idea20:12
KiallI don't think this breaks the current format at all?20:13
timsimYeah I think that'd be cool in general.20:13
* Kiall looks again20:13
mugsieit will break them if it is diufferent...20:13
KiallNot really, it's just the first howto.. so far, everything is "API spec" in nature20:13
mugsiewell, this should be in the API side as well.. i think if it is the only "how to" its a bit weird20:14
KiallWe have to start *somewhere*20:14
mugsie(its an odd starting point)20:15
KiallThere's always going to be a first, unless someone has the time to step up and do lots of docs conversions20:15
mugsieyeah, but not with this one on its own20:15
mugsieit is a bit of bizzare one to start with20:15
mugsieof a*20:15
KiallI'm not sure I see why this should be considered an odd one out? Secondary zones really requires LOTS of docs, explaining things the fact that we'll be doing an AXFR from you, which has no precedent in the current docs...20:16
timsimI feel like when it became an issue,  we could take a day or two as a team and knock that out that conversion for the most part.20:16
mugsiebecause it is not one of the more common operations - the how tos should be based on those20:17
mugsietimsim: +120:17
mugsie(i dont see it as a massive issue right now tbh)20:17
KiallHowto's shouldn't only be "for the common things" - The common things and the unusal things which require more thought and explantation are "deserving" of a how-to style page IMO20:18
timsimKiall: What about something similar to what mugsie did for Zone transfers (which doesn't talk a whole lot about what Zone Transfers are and why you might want to do one) and then there could be another section "how-tos" or something, and have Secondary Zones be the first one?20:18
KiallFrom my point of view, why start the docs for a new feature in a way we know we're going to move away from? (We "know" since everyone seems to agree here ;))20:18
timsimIf it's a new section of the Docs, I'm not opposed to Secondary Zones being the first one. We could file some blueprints for new tutorials that we wanted done.20:19
Kialltimsim: +, everyone here now *seems* to agree about the direction.. Just not about if it's a good starting point ;)20:19
Kiall+1*20:19
KiallAnyway - I'm fine either way, I just don't think we should say don't do the howto style because it'd be the odd one out :)20:20
timsimYeah, it seems like the current docs could get a bit more API spec-ier. But that's probably not urgent. Doing Secondary Zones that way, and having a one-stop guide for using them in a separate section seems good.20:20
timsimI've tried How-tos, tutorials, and guides. I like "Guides" the best :P20:21
KiallHah - Yea, "Guides" seems like a better name20:21
timsimFriendly reminder, while everyone is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131530/3 ;D20:22
Kialltimsim: on it :)20:23
Kiallalso .. timsim's comment on "we could take a day or two as a team and knock that out that conversion for the most part." gave me an idea.. (and we all know how they pan out ;))20:28
KiallMaybe we should organize a monthly half day sprint on $topic - Be it docs, testing, fixing up some simpler common issues etc where we knock stuff like ^ out?20:30
KiallWe could even host it in Honduras (or IRC ;))20:30
timsimI think that'd be awesome. Most of the time we work a bit asynchronously, it'd be pretty cool to be all in one place (virtually anyway) with one focus.20:33
KiallCool - I'll drop the idea on the agenda for wednesday.. See what everyone things...20:34
Kiallthinks*20:34
vinod1kiall: did you have a chance to work on the powerdns-pool backend?20:35
Kiallvinod1: yep, i have some changes to how pools config works to finish + submit first - the way it works today doesn't *always* work, e.g. when init'ing the PowerDNS DB, the configs don't exist..20:36
KiallIt's a tad.. broken.. right now - need to see what's up20:36
vinod1Wanted to check as this patchset - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138406/ needs the powerdns-pool backend20:37
vinod1Also - for this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139748/, powerdns or bind gate checks keep failing - locally I see no issue - Is the only recourse now to keep doing a recheck no bug or recheck bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398786?20:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1398786 in designate "Bind9+Pools Gate is failing spuriously" [Critical,Triaged]20:39
KiallThe bind gate has been failing for "no reason" a little recently.. bug 1398786 is for it.. But, the PowerDNS gate has been solid for months and months, it should be OK.. Looking at the logs..20:40
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1398786 in designate "Bind9+Pools Gate is failing spuriously" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139878620:40
KiallYea, powerdns fail on that job is caused by: http://logs.openstack.org/48/139748/1/check/gate-designate-dsvm-powerdns/5063e7e/logs/screen-designate-central.txt.gz20:42
KiallThe stacktrace is from loading up the pool manager cache stuff, which was added in your review.20:43
KiallThe bind gate is stuck with recheck until we find+fix the cause - unless you made it worse ;)20:43
vinod1Thanks Kiall for looking into it20:44
KiallAnyway - I'd argue for the PM cache data to be fetched via RPC from the pool manager, rather than giving central direct access to it.. I don't think I see reason why the API should ONLY be allowed talk to central20:44
KiallI think that would solve the powerdns gate part of the issue..20:45
Kiallthoughts?20:46
vinod1so you want the api to talk to pool manager in this case - rather than talk to central?20:46
KiallYea, I guess I don't that as an issue.. At least, not for diagnostic / admin style stuff. e.g. the V1 diagnostics API could talk straight to any service,20:47
KiallThere's already some level of trust required between al the components, since they share a RMQ message bus where (most) messages are delivered to a "designate" exchange and router from there - preventing the ability to "physically" restrict them from talk to each other anyway..20:49
Kiallrouted*20:49
Kiallall*20:49
vinod1I did think about this - whether to talk to pool manager or go through the central to talk to pool manager - i put up the patchset to get people's thoughts - i like the api to talk to pool manager directly for this - given that this is an admin/diagnostic stuff20:50
timsimIf it's just admin/diagnostic things, API->PM is great.20:50
Kiall++ - I don't see any value in proxying through central, but do see disadvantages to designate talking straight to the PM cache20:51
Kiall(I know I'd cringe when modifying our firewall rules to allow that ;))20:51
Kiall(That is, when we add a real cache driver ontop of the SQL based cache :))20:52
Kiallinstead of the SQL based*20:52
KiallBased on the number of typos/mistakes in my writing, I should finish that review for timsim real quick ;)20:52
vinod1Others - any more thoughts on this?20:54
timsimIs is going to be a full POST/PUT/DELETE type API to modify the stuff in the PM cache?20:55
timsimOr just read-only?20:55
vinod1just read-only20:55
timsimCool.20:55
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openstackgerritVinod Mangalpally proposed openstack/designate: Add api for getting pool manager statuses  https://review.openstack.org/13974821:55
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timsimKiall: I've got some code for the agent, it follows the current state of the spec pretty closely. I could throw it up for review if you'd like?22:20
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openstackgerritBetsy Luzader proposed openstack/designate:   Pool_Attribute API  https://review.openstack.org/13354923:08
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vinod1Kiall: Regarding the bind9 gate failures, I have some debugging log snippets at http://paste.openstack.org/show/147511/23:17
vinod1Not sure if the creation of the SOA recordset later than expected is causing the issues. The latest patchset from Ron should be fixing these issues mostly I think.23:20
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