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rcarrillocruz | mugsie: hiya, i'm working on adding designate on shade library, if you remember a conversation we had on our employer messaging app last week or so there is an issue on designate python client when using keystone auth | 07:24 |
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rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184988/ | 07:24 |
rcarrillocruz | dguerri as awesome as he is pushed a change for it | 07:24 |
rcarrillocruz | any change we could get another core review? and how often do you release python designate to pypi? is it automated or you do after a git tag and the post job does its magic? | 07:25 |
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Kiall | That was probably meant as a PM for me ;) Oh well! | 08:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Disable recursive queries with bind in Devstack https://review.openstack.org/185201 | 09:19 |
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stanzgy | Kiall: You have disappeared for a long time, finally show up again ;) | 10:41 |
Kiall | stanzgy: lol - OpenStack Summit was all last week in Vancouver | 10:41 |
stanzgy | Kiall: Yea, I know. I checked the Summit agenda and a bit interested on DB rework topic. Any conclusion or notes on this? | 10:43 |
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* ekarlso is curious on that too | 10:55 | |
Kiall | stanzgy: mostly that everyone agrees it's in poor shape today, the initial set of things to cleanup are... | 10:55 |
Kiall | 1) Connection management .. 2 SELECT's outside of a TX in a single call should use the same connection, not checkout a new connection from the pool each time. | 10:55 |
Kiall | 2) Many of the storage methods need updating for "batch" actions.. e.g. `UPDATE/DELETE ... WHERE <criterion>` or `INSERT ... VALUES (...), (...) etc` | 10:55 |
Kiall | 3) Cleanup central to avoid fetching stuff from the DB needlessly over+over inside tight loops | 10:55 |
Kiall | also some talk of adding some caching of resultsets, but it remains to be seen how you you go about invalidating the right cache items once #2 is implemented.. | 10:58 |
Kiall | e.g. UPDATE records SET status = 'ACTIVE' WHERE status = 'PENDING' and domain_id = <foo> | 10:58 |
Kiall | Determining which cache entries to expire there will be difficult.. And likely (effectivly) impossible if we allow for queries without the domain_id criteria | 10:58 |
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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 10:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1456115 | 10:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1456115 in Designate "DesignateContext.is_admin is false on admin tenant" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to stanzgy (stanzgy) | 10:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1458130 | 10:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1458130 in python-designateclient "Missing Logger Handler" [Undecided,New] | 10:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1455083 | 10:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1455083 in python-designateclient "record create call ignores 'description' param" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to DIV (div-unknown) | 10:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1457821 | 10:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1457821 in python-designateclient "all_tenants and edit_managed not defined using external keystone session" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Davide Guerri (davide-guerri) | 10:59 |
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Kiall | and stanzgy left.. oh well ;) will point him at the room logs :D | 11:04 |
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Kiall | stanzgy: I replied, but way too long to paste again ;) check the room logs | 11:39 |
stanzgy | Kiall, got it, thanks for the explanation. Just got home from office :) | 11:42 |
Kiall | 1 thing I forgot.. Those items are just the easy / obvious starting points.. | 11:42 |
Kiall | And that cleanup would be a multi-cycle ongoing thing | 11:42 |
stanzgy | Kiall, Now my team is suffering from db performance/deadlock issues. Not only in Designate, but also Nova/Neutron/etc.. Sometimes only mysql's slowlog is not enough since it lacks python contexts. We want some profiling tools which could get deep inside Openstack. e.g.: https://github.com/inconshreveable/sqltap It could not only print sql query metrics, but also the python call-stack backtrace. Do you think it's valuable to introduce this kind of | 11:55 |
stanzgy | db profiling tool into Designate, or just let developer themselves hack it? | 11:55 |
Kiall | stanzgy: probably not exactly what you're looking for, but you can ask oslo.db to include traces with the connection_trace option | 11:55 |
Kiall | the trace will end up as a SQL comment | 11:56 |
Kiall | (It'll likely KILL performance tho, given genererating a trace is a slow thing to do) | 11:56 |
Kiall | but, it should hurt perf equally everywhere, so the slowest stuff should still be the slowest stuff if you get what I mean | 11:56 |
stanzgy | Kiall, AFAIK oslo.db could not collect query time/counts statistics? | 11:57 |
Kiall | sqltap looks interesting though .. as yea, it gathers some stats | 11:58 |
Kiall | I'd generally end up using percona-toolkit to analyize slow query logs etc, most of the time I can tell where each query is coming from by looking at it.. So, the traces etc are less useful to me :) | 11:59 |
stanzgy | Kiall, in fact we just use sqltap to find a neutron db issue which neutron-sever calls thousands db.query in a single API call and make it very slow. It's some kind useful :D | 12:00 |
Kiall | Yea, I have no doubt being able to gather things like the list of queries execited for a single request-ID accross the various services etc would be useful :) | 12:01 |
stanzgy | every single query is not slow and will not print to mysql-slow.log. but thousands of them make it very very slow. | 12:01 |
Kiall | https://github.com/stackforge/osprofiler is starting down this general direction from what I understand | 12:02 |
stanzgy | Kiall, okay, thanks for the information, I'll check it later. | 12:03 |
Kiall | The reports aren't quite what percona-toolkit or sqltap would produce, example: http://pavlovic.me/rally/profiler/ | 12:03 |
Kiall | If you dig "deep enough" you see SQL queries, but that whole example is 1 request spanning multiple openstack services etc | 12:04 |
stanzgy | Kiall, see it, very coool chart | 12:04 |
Kiall | Yea, I'd love to see someone wire designate up for it ;) boris-42 started a while back, but it never passed gate! I think we do something weird which it didn't support from memory | 12:05 |
Kiall | anyway - I'd look at grabbing the authors of osprofiler, and seeing if they have plans to get more SQL-centric reports and/or need the help, as you'll get "automatic" support in almost every project | 12:06 |
boris-42 | Kiall: ? | 12:06 |
boris-42 | Kiall: where wat ? | 12:06 |
Kiall | lol :) | 12:07 |
boris-42 | Kiall: btw I am going to continue work | 12:07 |
boris-42 | Kiall: on it | 12:07 |
Kiall | I was just remembering this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134841/ | 12:07 |
boris-42 | Kiall: finally I got support from community | 12:07 |
Kiall | Yep :) | 12:07 |
boris-42 | Kiall: yep I didn't get the fully what the hell I am doing wrong | 12:07 |
boris-42 | =) | 12:07 |
boris-42 | Kiall: but I will try to revisit it | 12:07 |
Kiall | It's likely something Designate is doing stoopidly... But, no idea what :P | 12:08 |
boris-42 | Kiall: lol | 12:08 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: hey nice to meed you | 12:09 |
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stanzgy | lol, I stared this patchset and will check it later to see if I can find something :D | 12:09 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: http://boris-42.github.io/ngk.html | 12:09 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: ^ btw this is new output | 12:09 |
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stanzgy | boris-42, hi, very cool. wish I could use it on my servers. :) | 12:10 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: so it's already merged in heat, cinder, glance and as far as I remember trove | 12:12 |
stanzgy | boris-42, does it has a bp name? | 12:12 |
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boris-42 | stanzgy: so it's not about BP | 12:13 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: =) | 12:13 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134839/ | 12:14 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: I will create improve this spec, add spec to add it to oslo | 12:14 |
boris-42 | stanzgy: and I will create google doc with road map | 12:14 |
stanzgy | boris-42, great! wait for your news | 12:15 |
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stanzgy | Kiall, and another question. Do you think it's necessary that admin could directly create sub-domain for other tenants via create_zone API? | 12:27 |
stanzgy | I have a usecase that Designate serves sub-domains %(tenant_id)s.%(base_domain)s for each keystone tenant. And the base_domain is belongs to the admin tenant. It's very hard the initialize all the sub-domains now. | 12:27 |
Kiall | We do actually allow that today.. As you're admin user, you can create domains in other tenants with.. | 12:28 |
Kiall | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/rest.html#http-headers | 12:28 |
Kiall | the X-Auth-Sudo-Tenant-ID header, and it will let you create in the "sudo" tenant | 12:29 |
Kiall | Or, you can create in the admin, and use the transfer stuff to move it to the target tenant | 12:29 |
Kiall | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/rest/v2/zones.html#transfer-zone | 12:29 |
stanzgy | Kiall, in my memory it's ok with primary domains, but failed with sub-domains. I'll confirm it tomorrow. | 12:29 |
stanzgy | Kiall, in fact I'm using the domain-transfer way now :( | 12:30 |
Kiall | Oh, that could be a bug so | 12:30 |
stanzgy | Kiall, I'm not sure about it. let me check it tomorrow. | 12:30 |
* Kiall files another internal JIRA to get tempest tests for zone-transfers | 12:30 | |
stanzgy | Kiall, lol, it's maybe my fault. | 12:32 |
ekarlso | *on it* :p | 12:34 |
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openstackgerrit | John Belamaric proposed openstack/designate: Infoblox Backend https://review.openstack.org/183105 | 13:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: Update Dashboard requirements https://review.openstack.org/183557 | 13:56 |
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Kiall | stanzgy_: BTW, re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184432/ / bug 1456115 | 14:25 |
openstack | bug 1456115 in Designate "DesignateContext.is_admin is false on admin tenant" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1456115 - Assigned to stanzgy (stanzgy) | 14:25 |
Kiall | I'm not 100% convinced that really is a bug, is_admin is just badly named these days now that oslo.policy is a thing | 14:25 |
Kiall | is_admin is meant as a hint to olso.policy to "say yes to everything", rather than the other way around | 14:26 |
Kiall | Nothing bar oslo.policy should ever look at the value of context.is_admin, if it does, it's bypassing policy and is a bug | 14:26 |
Kiall | I'll post those comments in the bug report, seems stanzgy's real IRC handle already dropped off | 14:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: Install dnspython3 on python 3 https://review.openstack.org/185641 | 15:13 |
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stanzgy | Kiall: just see your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184432/ | 15:36 |
Kiall | stanzgy: heya, yep, as I said in the bug report, I'm thinking that's not a bug | 15:37 |
Kiall | Maybe I'm wrong though, I'm curious how you noticed it? | 15:37 |
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Kiall | stanzgy__: lol you get those 2 messages, or? ;) | 15:38 |
stanzgy | Kiall: Kiall: IMO it's a convention in Openstack projects that when we want to identify if a context is an *admin context*, we check context.is_admin | 15:38 |
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Kiall | IMO, that's no longer the case - not since projects adopted oslo.policy, and is being removed etc | 15:39 |
Kiall | Code that hardcodes a notion of "admin" is effectivly breaking deployers ability to split the concept of "admin" between multiple groups of users | 15:41 |
stanzgy | Kiall: but when your got a context object with 'admin' role but 'is_admin' is false, it's obvious wrong somehow. If we abandon 'is_admin' attribute we should just remove it from DesignateContext, not offer a wrong value | 15:42 |
Kiall | e.g. if for our "Is allowed see other tenants domains" check do `if context.is_admin", we no longer have any way to allow support staff to do that without also giving all of support full admin | 15:42 |
Kiall | right - that's the point - the "admin" role is just a name we as a group of projects ship as the default.. Larger deploymens will have many many different roles each with varying levels of the stock "admin" roles access | 15:43 |
stanzgy | Kiall: now In popular openstack projects like nova, context.is_admin is still widely used. | 15:44 |
Kiall | Absolutly, and that code pre-dates oslo.policy :) | 15:44 |
stanzgy | Kiall: I got you ideas, maybe we should just remove this attribute 'is_admin' | 15:44 |
stanzgy | ? | 15:44 |
Kiall | Neutron's use of context.is_admin has actually bitten us at HP already, and we've had to fork that bit of the code.. | 15:45 |
stanzgy | Kiall: if we don't use it anymore | 15:45 |
stanzgy | Kiall: lol, I just made a mistake too by trying to use this in Designate | 15:45 |
Kiall | Well - We do use it - It's a signal to oslo.policy that we want to policy checks to always pass.. Other projects use it this way too, but they also happen to have code that still directly checks it's value too | 15:46 |
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Kiall | Other openstack projects should be removing code that uses it, and at the very list, should not be accepting new code which uses that style inside of simply asking oslo.policy | 15:48 |
Kiall | very least* | 15:48 |
Kiall | insteal* lol.. full of typos :) | 15:48 |
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stanzgy | Kiall: I just check oslo_policy codes, seems there is no codes treats 'is_admin' special. It's special because we define a admin rule as 'is_admin: True' in policy.json, and many API requires this admin rule. | 15:51 |
Kiall | Yes, the "is_admin" name is somewhat legacy, something like "is_elevated" would be much nicer.. but we inheit the name from oslo.context, and use it the same way as all the other projects do - at least - the elevated part.. | 15:53 |
Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/context.py#L134 | 15:53 |
Kiall | Ideally, it get's renamed.. but convincing 10+ projects to do anything is slow moving ;) | 15:53 |
Kiall | (L136/L137 in there is legacy legacy code.. lol) | 15:54 |
stanzgy | Kiall: Yea, in Neutron there is many codes use 'is_admin' as if conditions, so we should treat it carefully in neutron. But in Designate we have no case of this. | 15:57 |
Kiall | As an example of how it's slowely being removed from the code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/238065/ | 15:58 |
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Kiall | we have no case of that because we've sucessfully completed the "Use is_admin only as hint for oslo.policy" migration, while others like neutron are in-progress | 15:58 |
stanzgy | Kiall: lol | 15:58 |
Kiall | In the paste above, Juno neutron had 48 instances of checking is_admin, Kilo neutron has 24 | 15:59 |
Kiall | once everyone get's to 0 .. we can likely rename is_admin in oslo.context to something more descriptive :) | 15:59 |
stanzgy | Kiall: IMO for oslo_policy, 'is_admin' is not specially from other rules, just because we have a rule 'admin': 'is_admin is True', and many API require rule 'admin'. | 16:00 |
stanzgy | Kiall: maybe we should just leave 'admin' rule as 'role:admin' instead of '"role:admin or is_admin:True"' | 16:01 |
stanzgy | Kiall: and abandon the use of is_admin? | 16:01 |
Kiall | That would prevent some key code from working. For example, while creating a domain, we need to ensure it's uniqueness accross all tenants. So, we need to elevate the users context for a small subset of the request in order to be allowed query for other tenants domains.. | 16:02 |
stanzgy | Kiall: huh, it is | 16:03 |
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stanzgy | Kiall: so in order to get rid of is_admin, how we plan to handle these codes in future? | 16:05 |
Kiall | is_admin could be named something better (but we have no choice but to keep the name as is, due to oslo.context including it and using it for the things we want) | 16:06 |
Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.context/blob/master/oslo_context/context.py#L46 | 16:06 |
Kiall | and the method @ L110 | 16:06 |
stanzgy | Kiall: IMO, for current situation, new designate developer(like me) will deeply get confused with this when handling admin context in Designate (withouth explanation) | 16:07 |
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Kiall | I understand, and hopefully we can improve on that, but I believe making that flag sometimes be used as a hint for oslo.policy, and sometimes get used as the output of a policy check is more confusing. Especially when any usage of a single concept of "admin" in Designate would be -2'd by almost all the core devs! We all have requirements for partial admin etc | 16:09 |
stanzgy | Kiall: I mean people get a context with admin role but is_admin is False. <--- deeply confused about this | 16:09 |
Kiall | Yea, the naming sucks, but we're stuck with it :( | 16:09 |
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stanzgy | Kiall: okay, I'm clear about this now. dunno who is next one. lol | 16:10 |
Kiall | Yea, I know.. It sucks! But I don't know how we have improve on it, without encouraging a single concept of "admin" in designate | 16:11 |
Kiall | (other than renaming it, and we're blocked on that) | 16:11 |
stanzgy | Kiall: Thanks for your time! It's late here and I'm going to sleep now :) | 16:12 |
stanzgy | Kiall: good night~ | 16:13 |
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Kiall | goodnight :) | 16:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-designateclient: Move all_tenants and edit_managed attributes to designate Client https://review.openstack.org/184988 | 16:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Drop use of 'oslo' namespace package https://review.openstack.org/185448 | 16:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Add Akamai Management comamnds https://review.openstack.org/182309 | 16:50 |
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untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 16:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1458130 | 16:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1458130 in python-designateclient "Missing Logger Handler" [Undecided,New] | 16:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1455083 | 16:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1455083 in python-designateclient "record create call ignores 'description' param" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to DIV (div-unknown) | 16:59 |
untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1457821 | 16:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1457821 in python-designateclient "all_tenants and edit_managed not defined using external keystone session" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Davide Guerri (davide-guerri) | 16:59 |
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openstackgerrit | John Belamaric proposed openstack/designate: Infoblox Backend https://review.openstack.org/183105 | 17:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-designateclient: Log a more informative error upon EndpointNotFound https://review.openstack.org/184754 | 17:09 |
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rcarrillocruz | Kiall timsim: thx for the all_tenants merge :-) | 17:47 |
Kiall | rcarrillocruz: will cut a release as soon as I can, need to talk to ttx first though as things have changed slightly this cycle with client releases | 17:48 |
Kiall | He's EU somewhere, so likely gone for the day.. But, will grab him tomorrow. | 17:49 |
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ryanpetrello | Kiall: when you have some time, mind looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185684/ ? | 17:57 |
ryanpetrello | I'm releasing a new pecan soon, and this will prevent it from breaking tests in stable/kilo | 17:58 |
ryanpetrello | (it's a backport) | 17:58 |
Kiall | ryanpetrello: +2, straight backport that I remember well ;) | 17:58 |
ryanpetrello | great, thanks! | 17:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Infoblox Backend https://review.openstack.org/183105 | 20:33 |
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