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openstackgerritDeepti Ramakrishna proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix incorrect xml tag in arch-design documentation.  https://review.openstack.org/17229703:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17194003:49
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Install Guide: SLES 11->12, openSUSE 13.1 -> 13.2  https://review.openstack.org/17202204:11
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openstackgerritDeepti Ramakrishna proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix incorrect xml tag in arch-design documentation.  https://review.openstack.org/17229704:15
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enhance Transifex file for User Guides  https://review.openstack.org/17230104:37
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openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix glossary entry for Desktop-as-a-Service  https://review.openstack.org/17230305:02
viswanath_@dguitarbite: pravan got it....05:03
viswanath_i want to tryout setting up training sessions on My laptop.05:03
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viswanath_Are there any automated scripts available for virtual box installation on ubuntu 14.0405:04
viswanath_I mean, after installing VirtalBox, need to bringup VMs05:05
viswanath_Need some VM (Host images) to bring up there...05:05
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viswanath_Help needed: in setting up training guides on ubuntu 14.04, installed VirtualBox, need to boot VM (ubuntu), do we need to use again full installation of ubuntu 12.04 or any Distribution images available to use?05:22
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ha-guide: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17147106:00
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17147206:00
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17230906:02
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17231006:11
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17147207:11
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17147107:11
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17230907:15
openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove passive voice from Chap 9 Arch guide  https://review.openstack.org/17232207:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/17231007:32
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove UUIDs from RST pot files  https://review.openstack.org/17233108:18
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Use Open vSwitch instead of OVS  https://review.openstack.org/17233208:24
openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/ha-guide: Changes to section_run_openstack_api_and_schedulers  https://review.openstack.org/17202908:29
openstackgerritTom Fifield proposed openstack/docs-specs: "Writing your First OpenStack Application" spec  https://review.openstack.org/17041308:32
openstackgerritOlena Logvinova proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Removes a Keyring support section from End User Guide  https://review.openstack.org/16350308:36
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openstackgerritTom Fifield proposed openstack/docs-specs: "Writing your First OpenStack Application" spec  https://review.openstack.org/17041308:40
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openstackgerritJavier Peña proposed openstack/ha-guide: Add MariaDB/Galera section  https://review.openstack.org/17171508:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Use Open vSwitch instead of OVS  https://review.openstack.org/17233208:58
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix glossary entry for Desktop-as-a-Service  https://review.openstack.org/17230309:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Removal of passive voice from chapter 7, arch guide  https://review.openstack.org/17104609:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Add os-server-diagnostics and os-admin-password extensions.  https://review.openstack.org/17188209:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Changes to section_run_openstack_api_and_schedulers  https://review.openstack.org/17202909:29
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ha-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/17236310:09
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/operations-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/17236410:09
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/17236510:09
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openstackgerritJavier Peña proposed openstack/ha-guide: Add MariaDB/Galera section  https://review.openstack.org/17171511:30
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openstackgerritPrathamesh Deshpande proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Missing DNS forwarder config in subnet creation  https://review.openstack.org/17108812:57
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AJaegerhi13:05
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AJaegerannegentle: are you around?13:21
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annegentleAJaeger: here now13:34
AJaegerdo you have a few minutes?13:35
annegentleAJaeger: sure13:36
AJaegerregarding user guides and translations13:36
AJaegerI've done everything for a one-time conversion of the translations as mentioned in the emails13:37
AJaegerBut I'm not convinced that any kind of post/pre-processing will be really beneficial.13:37
annegentleAJaeger: me neither...13:37
AJaegerIt was a good idea to do this once but whether you translate "**STRING**" or "STRING" shouldn't matter since you there's now way we change "**STRING** STRING2"13:38
AJaegerso, there's little benefit in such kind of conversions IMHO13:38
AJaegerAnd I really prefer to use upstream tools instead of doing everything ourselves13:39
AJaegerKISS is the motto ;)13:39
annegentleI'm not excited about a ton of DIY13:39
AJaegerthen we're in agreement - and I hope I don't need your support for that ;)13:40
annegentle:)13:40
annegentleso, one-time conversion.13:41
annegentledoes this affect any other guides differently?13:41
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AJaegerit should be the same for other guides AFAIU13:46
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Build translated RST manuals  https://review.openstack.org/16242414:04
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openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add os-trust extension for Identity v3.  https://review.openstack.org/17069614:08
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openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/ha-guide: Changes to Configure RabbitMQ section  https://review.openstack.org/17243614:16
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AJaegerannegentle: could you approve https://review.openstack.org/172331 , please? That will reduce translation imports for RST guides significantly14:35
AJaegerand a review of https://review.openstack.org/162424 would be appreciated as well.14:36
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annegentleAJaeger: I still haven't gotten to the PDF review, sorry14:47
AJaegerthe above is more important for me right now ;)14:48
annegentle:)14:48
annegentleDaisy: are you up late or in a different timezone?14:48
DaisyIt's 22:49 now. I'm still awake. :)14:49
annegentleDaisy: :) that's me a lot of nights too14:49
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annegentleDaisy: trying to make sure I understand everything well enough to figure out when we could publish English RST...14:50
AJaegerthanks, annegentle14:50
AJaegerhi Daisy!14:50
annegentleAJaeger: Daisy: so trying to understand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162424/14:50
annegentleer, that should be "I'm trying to understand"14:50
annegentleah, okay. AJaeger Daisy for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162424/ it's just a test?14:51
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Daisy_Hi14:51
Daisy_The network was just broken.14:51
Daisy_Daisy: trying to make sure I understand everything well enough to figure out when we could publish English RST...14:51
Daisy_This is the last sentence I read.14:51
annegentleDaisy_: heh one of those days!14:52
annegentleDaisy_: I'm trying to undrstand  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162424/ it's just a test?14:52
annegentleDaisy_: and after it lands, the automation will continue?14:52
AJaegerannegentle: That is a test that everything works, it runs as part of checklang with every new update14:52
AJaegerYes, automation will continue14:53
AJaegerBut we will not publish this guide yet since it's not fully translated - and therefore automatic *initial* download of the Japanese file will not happen14:53
Daisy_AJaeger: will the automation script include removing ** and :: ?14:53
AJaegerTherefore I imported it manually14:53
AJaegerDaisy_: No, that removing was a one time action.14:53
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AJaegerThe automation scripts can handle that but I really don't udnerstand why we need to complicate our toolchain for this14:54
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DaisyAJaeger: do you think how long it is needed to have that function ?14:54
DaisyAJaeger: just need to make sure we have the abilities to improve our toolchain in the future.14:55
openstackgerritAdriano Freires Rosso proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Updates HNAS driver documentation for Kilo  https://review.openstack.org/17129514:55
openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add os-virtual-interfaces extension and note about policy change.  https://review.openstack.org/17188814:55
AJaegerDaisy: I'm really not convinced that we need this, I don't see the benefit - I'm all for KISS14:56
DaisyFor example, if we want to covert the RST markup to an easily understandable way one day, I just want to make sure we have the abilities to extend the toolchain.14:56
annegentleDaisy: AJaeger: I do believe RST will be around to stay.14:56
annegentleDaisy: which toolchain do you want to extend?14:56
AJaegerDaisy: sure, we can always enhnace the toolchain14:57
DaisyHere is an example: Use the :samp:`--flavor {FLAVOR}` and :samp:`--image {IMAGE}` parameters to specify the IDs or names of the flavor and image to use for the image.14:57
AJaegerAnd there are tools to convert text from one markup to another like pandoc14:57
AJaegerBut those work on complete pages and not really on PO files ;(14:57
DaisyIf we could change it to : Use the <1> and <2> parameters to specify the IDs or names of the flavor and image to use for the image, after translation, we covert them back. That's not an urgent request. Just want to make sure we have to abilities to extend when we want to do.14:58
AJaegerDaisy: we control that toolchain.14:58
DaisyYes, AJaeger .14:58
annegentleDaisy: yep we can14:58
AJaegerFrom my past experience fiddling with the XML conversions we did, it was difficult to extend that toolchain.14:59
AJaegerAnd therefore I prefer not to touch it.14:59
DaisyWe could do a pre-clean before uploading to Transifex. And then we do a after-process after we download from Transifex14:59
AJaegerBut the toolchain is available and enhancements to it are welcome14:59
AJaegerDaisy: We can do that.14:59
AJaegerWe have the hooks to do that.15:00
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DaisyThat's fine.15:00
AJaegerThe question is how to implement the pre-clean and after-process - and whether we really need it.15:00
DaisyIt's not that clear, AJaeger.15:01
annegentleDaisy: the more automation the better, but also where would the pre-clean and post-process be maintained? Is there a translation repo?15:01
DaisyJust want to make sure we have the ability to do that.15:01
annegentleAJaeger: I say "the more automation the better" but I probably mean "automation where it makes sense" :)15:01
DaisyIf we need, we could have a translation repository.15:01
AJaegerannegentle: those pre-clean and post-process would is right now in openstack-manuals and project-config15:01
annegentleDaisy: where does the docbook slicing tool live now? (I should know this, sorry)15:01
Daisydoc-tools15:02
Daisyright, AJaeger15:02
annegentleDaisy: okay15:02
AJaegerdepending on what we do, we find the proper place ;)15:02
DaisyI remember there is a repository for documentation tool.15:02
annegentleDaisy: I feel pretty comfortable with where our toolchains are and how extensible they are.15:02
annegentleAJaeger: but I worry you're worried :)15:02
DaisyGood.15:03
annegentleAJaeger: does a split for doc tools and translation tools make sense at this point? Or is that not KISS?15:03
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AJaegerannegentle: depending on the change we do, we figure out the best place. I'm not worried on location ;)15:05
DaisyAJaeger: I want to understand what are the next steps in your mind after the test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162424/15:05
AJaegerFrom translation point of view: After 162424: Just translation ;)15:05
annegentleAJaeger: ok, good. yeah location doesn't really matter in my mind.15:06
DaisyUsing the pot manually updated and uploaded by you ?15:06
AJaegerYou and Tom bring up the conversions - we can do those if needed but so far the conversions mentioned like ** removal are nothing that convince me are worth doing15:06
AJaegerDaisy: with the patch: The checklang target will be run every day to check that we can actually build translated RST manuals.15:07
DaisyThat's not from translation  point of view.15:07
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AJaegerSo, after 162424, once a language is translated sufficiently, we will use that daily build and publish it like we do today.15:08
AJaegerInitially, building is just for gating, not for publishing15:08
Daisyok. got it. So in your mind, after 162424, the toolchain is ready.15:09
AJaegerDaisy: correct15:09
AJaeger162424 is the missing piece in the toolchain15:09
AJaegerConversions are optional features ;)15:09
Daisyok. I don't want to strongly against you.15:09
AJaegerRegarding the transformations, I'm feeling strongly for KISS and haven't understood why these would help.15:10
Daisywhat is KISS ?15:10
AJaegerI did the manual transformation so that any automatic transformation will not bring us any extra translated strings15:10
AJaegerKISS= Keep it simple stupid15:11
DaisyAJaeger: if you could give me several days, I will get inputs from the translators on Thursday meeting.15:11
DaisyYou did it ? I did the manual transformation so that any automatic transformation will not bring us any extra translated strings15:11
DaisyBut you said in the email that the change would increase the percentage of auto match.15:12
AJaegerDaisy: No, I did it already manually! And that's why I could give you the numbers!15:12
AJaegerSeems I didn't communicate clearly enough15:13
AJaegerannegentle: would Thursday work for you?15:13
annegentleAJaeger: let me look15:13
* AJaeger needs to switch network, I'll back in a minute...15:13
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annegentlesure15:13
annegentleDaisy: looking up what time, I do want to attend.15:13
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AJaegerback....15:14
annegentleAJaeger: Daisy: oy, that's 3:00 am my time :)15:14
annegentleno can do15:14
annegentleBut, how about asking Lana to join?15:14
Daisyannegentle: I don't want to block anything you want to do. I just need to make sure I have the abilities to improve the toolchain. If AJaeger would not borther, I myself or some other people could do that in the furture.15:15
AJaegerannegentle: I think she meant: Whether waiting until Thursday is fine15:15
DaisyAJaeger could attend the meeting, I think.15:15
annegentleAJaeger: Daisy: Oh sure, then we can have a date for a decision of next Thurs. Sure.15:15
AJaegerDaisy, yeah, I should be able to attend15:15
AJaegerLet's ask loquacities as well to join us15:15
annegentleGreat. Okay, sounds like we got better communication/understanding now at least.15:16
annegentleYou guys should probably get to start your weekend! :)15:16
AJaegerDaisy: I'm sure around to help with how to integrate any transformations...15:16
annegentleand a date for a date! :)15:16
AJaeger;)15:16
DaisyThank you, AJaeger.15:16
DaisyThank you, Anne.15:16
AJaegerDaisy: You're welcome!15:18
annegentleThank you Daisy -- are you going to be in Vancouver?15:18
Daisyannegentle: Yes, I'm going to.15:22
DaisyIf my visa could be ready on time, I will go .15:23
annegentleDaisy: great! Me too.15:25
DaisyWe will see again.15:26
annegentleOkay, I have to drive in to the office now, glad I got to talk to you :)15:26
annegentleback in a bit!15:26
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AJaegerannegentle: that was a quick drive ;)15:35
annegentleAJaeger: I got in my car, decided I could take back the half hour drive. :)15:35
annegentleAJaeger: literally decided that in my garage LOL15:35
AJaeger;)15:36
AJaegerBetter than in the parking garage :)15:36
AJaegerbut I'm signing off now, everybody have a great weekend!15:36
annegentleyou too!15:39
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit has been restarted to address a hung event stream. change events between 15:00 and 15:43 utc which were lost will need to be rechecked or have approval workflow votes reapplied for zuul to act on them15:44
AJaegerthanks and bye!15:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove UUIDs from RST pot files  https://review.openstack.org/17233115:47
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sc68calSam-I-Am: networking meeting?16:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Add os-virtual-interfaces extension and note about policy change.  https://review.openstack.org/17188816:53
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openstackgerritutsav dusad proposed openstack/training-guides: Automate Bash style check  https://review.openstack.org/16453417:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix incorrect xml tag in arch-design documentation.  https://review.openstack.org/17229719:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Doc updates for Certificates for PKI  https://review.openstack.org/16872619:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Install Guide: SLES 11->12, openSUSE 13.1 -> 13.2  https://review.openstack.org/17202219:13
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Edited note in ubuntu image section  https://review.openstack.org/17191420:16
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openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add server-metadata extension and note about policy changes.  https://review.openstack.org/17256020:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Use new format for policy example  https://review.openstack.org/16872420:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Added sahara to getting started page  https://review.openstack.org/17139220:26
openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add server-metadata extension and note about policy changes.  https://review.openstack.org/17256020:26
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Removes a Keyring support section from End User Guide  https://review.openstack.org/16350320:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Edited note in ubuntu image section  https://review.openstack.org/17191420:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc: Security Guide links invalid  https://review.openstack.org/17192221:03
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/17236521:10
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