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| pshige | no meeting today ? | 00:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | hi pshige, the APAC docs meeting is set to start in the #openstack-meeting channel in about 20minutes | 00:37 |
| pshige | JRobinson: Thanks! | 00:37 |
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| JRobinson__ | pshige, meeting is underway | 00:57 |
| pshige | JRobinson: thank you! | 00:58 |
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| annegentle | mornin' | 12:48 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: has anyone one the first app team asked for publishing to /draft? Nick asked me about it and I didn't know if they had requested another way. I can do it, but need guidance. | 13:33 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: nobody asked for publishing of it so far | 16:31 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: okay. they can always get it from docs-draft, but I'm ok with developer.openstack.org/draft. Just not exactly sure how to do that, where do I start? | 16:32 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: publishdocs-api (in tox.ini) publishes to developer.openstack.org. Anything that the job copies to publish-docs, gets published | 16:33 |
| annegentle | ok | 16:33 |
| AJaeger | So, copy the instructions from checkbuild for building and change them (best in both places for consistency) to used /draft/ | 16:33 |
| AJaeger | Wait, we do publish already, let me double check... | 16:34 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: check http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html | 16:34 |
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| AJaeger | There's a link to http://developer.openstack.org/draft/openstack-firstapp-libcloud/ that works | 16:34 |
| AJaeger | So, nothing for you to do ;) | 16:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: Ah! | 16:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I missed it! LOL | 16:35 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am, gpocentek, and other cores around: I'd love to have a +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182179 - could you review, please? | 16:36 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: you reviewed already - thanks! | 16:36 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: no problem! | 16:36 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: the patches are dependend on each other, so the order is in there already... | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: i +2d, but you can +w | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm a bit out of the loop on all this right now | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | focusing on sumit | 16:45 |
| AJaeger | thanks, Sam-I-Am ! | 16:45 |
| AJaeger | What are you presenting at the summit? | 16:45 |
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| AJaeger | triggered the stack... | 16:48 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: what do you think about the tags, should we leave them in a bit longer? | 16:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh ok | 16:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I think it's ok to take the tags out | 16:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: my only worry (if it's even a worry) is that we eventually may need conditional-by-file | 16:49 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: and sphinx doesn't seem to do that very well | 16:49 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: we can add it back in - we have the history... | 16:49 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: yeah it's clean enough | 16:50 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: also, one other q | 16:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: how we used collaborative documentation to "fix" neutron | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | also known as the networking guide | 16:50 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: with an addition of tags in files like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170826/ I wonder if we'd need conditional meta eventually? | 16:50 |
| AJaeger | Ah! Hope that one get's recorded, Sam-I-Am ! | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | it wasnt going to be done by docs alone, and devs dont like writing docs, so we had to take a different route | 16:50 |
| annegentle | it will | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | turns out... its pretty useful | 16:50 |
| annegentle | (be recorded) | 16:51 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: Sphinx tags and tags like in 170826 are two different things... | 16:51 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: right, understood, but they both go into the top of the file | 16:52 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170826/5/doc/user-guides/source/common/cli_create_and_manage_networks.rst - I added at the bottom ;) | 16:52 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: so possibly merging headaches | 16:52 |
| AJaeger | let's see how it turns out... | 16:52 |
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| annegentle | I like the tags for content more than for conditional | 16:53 |
| AJaeger | right now I'm happy about a nice cleanup and don't want to imagine scenarios to complicate live again ;) | 16:53 |
| annegentle | sure, understood | 16:53 |
| AJaeger | might be that you're envisoning a use case I don't have in mind, right now I'm not seeing a problem | 16:54 |
| AJaeger | but you never know how it will bite us again... | 16:54 |
| annegentle | I guess what's bugging me is we now don't have complete parity from old to new? | 16:54 |
| annegentle | so how does that affect next rst migrations? | 16:55 |
| annegentle | as in, a complete re-creation of the old admin guide | 16:55 |
| annegentle | but, maybe that's irrelevant and not needed | 16:55 |
| AJaeger | We needed file level scopes since we had all in one directory | 16:55 |
| AJaeger | with splitting it in two directories, we avoid them | 16:55 |
| AJaeger | So, I guess the next rst migration is fine | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | guess/hope ;) | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: the firstapp uses :only: to build different versions of the guide - like the Install Guides. | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | That one uses sphinx -t TAG as well but is on a paragraph level, not on file level | 16:57 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: if you're fine with the tag removal, could you +2 https://review.openstack.org/182444, please? | 16:59 |
| AJaeger | I need to change our tools according on which way to move forward so that we can translate again | 16:59 |
| AJaeger | but we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182178 now as well, release openstack-doc-tools and cleanup later... | 17:02 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok, even :only: has difficulty https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues/1488 | 17:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Share common RST directory https://review.openstack.org/182067 | 17:02 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: I guess it's this: the original end user guide and admin user guide had duplicate content | 17:02 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: we found that ok then, but now it's not ok | 17:02 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: which is fine | 17:02 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: and I think a good cleanup | 17:03 |
| annegentle | but... as we look to migrate more complex content, are we going to continue the complexity in authoring? | 17:03 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: and I'm asking you this here and now since I know you can't be in Vancouver | 17:03 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: the current user guide and admin user guide have duplicate content, see the files in the common directory | 17:03 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok, sure. | 17:04 |
| AJaeger | That's all the content thta is shared. My patch series did not change *anything at all* in what's in the guides. | 17:04 |
| AJaeger | If it did, I screwed up ;) | 17:04 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: ok probably I just didn't understand the original "bug" | 17:04 |
| AJaeger | annegentle the orginal problem was that we had index-end-user thta included files A, B and C. | 17:05 |
| AJaeger | But B had a meta: admin_only on it | 17:05 |
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| AJaeger | And then sphinx got confused | 17:05 |
| annegentle | ah | 17:05 |
| AJaeger | That's why we created separate index files | 17:05 |
| annegentle | ok, yep, that certainly made it easier for me to understand | 17:06 |
| AJaeger | And then cleaned up to move common/B to adminuser/B | 17:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add documentation for Glance Metadata Definitions Catalog - Tags https://review.openstack.org/182037 | 17:06 |
| AJaeger | And since we now had everything nicely separated into different directories, it's far easier with real separate guides | 17:06 |
| AJaeger | So, a new file for the End User Guide will go into the user-guide directory - and we don't need to add any meta flags in addition | 17:07 |
| AJaeger | Since the build of the Admin User Guide will never see this file - unless it's in common and then it should be seen... | 17:07 |
| AJaeger | Sorry for explaining badly... | 17:08 |
| AJaeger | ok, time to get domestic, will be back later... | 17:08 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: :) thanks for explaining! | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Move RST Glossary to common-rst https://review.openstack.org/182179 | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Move User Guides into separate directories https://review.openstack.org/182180 | 17:24 |
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| reed | how hard is it to add a build and publish job for the upstream training slides? | 17:43 |
| reed | i'm wondering if it makes sense to add one now, before Friday | 17:44 |
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| reed | or just build and present locally from laptops | 17:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Translation updates https://review.openstack.org/182773 | 17:58 |
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| AJaeger | reed: needs changes in the tox.ini and then in project-config. | 18:02 |
| reed | AJaeger, where can I see an example of the required changes? | 18:03 |
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| AJaeger | reed: I fear the team needs to answer a few questions first, I haven't heard from them that they are ready for publishing. | 18:04 |
| reed | AJaeger, cool, no problema | 18:04 |
| AJaeger | Should this get published as a draft document or is it good enough? | 18:04 |
| AJaeger | And what exactly needs publishing? | 18:04 |
| reed | draft would be a good start | 18:04 |
| reed | AJaeger, I was thinking of the slides in doc/upstream-training/ | 18:05 |
| AJaeger | reed: is it upstream-slides or which tox target do you use for building? | 18:05 |
| AJaeger | reed, ok... | 18:05 |
| reed | that target, yeah | 18:05 |
| AJaeger | reed: and publish to docs.openstack.org/draft/upstream-training? | 18:05 |
| reed | that'd be good enough | 18:05 |
| AJaeger | let me check something for you... | 18:06 |
| reed | I appreciate it | 18:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Unify checkbuild and publishdocs https://review.openstack.org/181717 | 18:06 |
| AJaeger | reed, that one is not even done currently gated ;( | 18:07 |
| AJaeger | reed, let me try to do it in 20 mins - and if I don't succeed, we declare failure ;) | 18:07 |
| reed | neat :) | 18:08 |
| AJaeger | it's quicker that way for me since I don't have enough time to guide you through tonight | 18:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: End User Guide: Remove user_only and orphan https://review.openstack.org/182404 | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Admin User Guide: Remove admin_only https://review.openstack.org/182406 | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update transifex config for User Guide split https://review.openstack.org/182407 | 18:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove RST tags user_only and admin_only https://review.openstack.org/182444 | 18:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Fix link to fog https://review.openstack.org/182533 | 18:18 |
| AJaeger | reed: get https://review.openstack.org/182779 and https://review.openstack.org/182444 merged ;) | 18:20 |
| AJaeger | oops, wrong links | 18:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/training-guides: Publish upstream-training slides as draft https://review.openstack.org/182780 | 18:20 |
| AJaeger | reed, I meant: https://review.openstack.org/182780 and https://review.openstack.org/182779 | 18:21 |
| reed | sweet | 18:21 |
| reed | thanks AJaeger | 18:21 |
| AJaeger | untested so far ;) Just started with testing - but that should be all that's needed... | 18:21 |
| reed | dguitarbite, can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182780/ when you can? | 18:25 |
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| reed | sarob, ^ | 18:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/training-guides: Publish upstream-training slides as draft https://review.openstack.org/182780 | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | now tested - and thus updated ;) | 18:26 |
| AJaeger | reed: once this is in, feel free to propose a patch to openstack-manuals file www/draft/draft-index.html and add a link to the slides. | 18:27 |
| reed | cool, thanks | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | Note that /draft is our WIP area, so don't expect content to be there in 3 months ;) | 18:28 |
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| AJaeger | reed: once you're happy with the content, move it away from /draft and give it a real home :) | 18:28 |
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| reed | AJaeger, will do, thanks | 18:42 |
| reed | dguitarbite, sarob: when you can, please merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182270/ | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Translation updates https://review.openstack.org/182773 | 18:59 |
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| annegentle | loquacities: around? | 19:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Unify checkbuild and publishdocs https://review.openstack.org/181717 | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: End User Guide: Remove user_only and orphan https://review.openstack.org/182404 | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Admin User Guide: Remove admin_only https://review.openstack.org/182406 | 19:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update transifex config for User Guide split https://review.openstack.org/182407 | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: could you have a look at git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/static/.htaccess#n16, please? | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | Those redirects are really old - can we remove them? | 19:21 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: looking | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | they were added 2013-12-19 | 19:22 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: oh sure, seems like they can be removed | 19:22 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: want me to do it? | 19:22 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: I'm editing the file right now... | 19:23 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: go for it :) | 19:23 |
| AJaeger | that's why I asked | 19:23 |
| jogo | got a quick question about what the scope of http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/ should be | 19:24 |
| jogo | adding a blurb on the landing page there to clarify what that site consists of | 19:24 |
| jogo | So its nova developer documentation | 19:24 |
| jogo | what bout the API stuff? | 19:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Adjust User Guide redirects https://review.openstack.org/182800 | 19:26 |
| annegentle | jogo: for all projects except nova, the api stuff went to their specs repo | 19:26 |
| annegentle | jogo: so you all are sort of an anomaly there (well swift did the same actually) | 19:26 |
| annegentle | jogo: but that's what thetubaguy and I agreed on | 19:27 |
| jogo | annegentle: what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142495/ ? | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: jogo raises an interesting point. We link to APIs from developer.o.o and from docs.o.o top-pages - those in api-site | 19:27 |
| annegentle | jogo: what about the answer to Kun Huang's question? is that what you mean? | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | Should we link to the api stuff in specs and nova/swift somehow in a prominent way? Or is developer.o.o the right place | 19:28 |
| loquacities | annegentle: missed your ping, sorry | 19:28 |
| loquacities | crazy week | 19:28 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: that's all in the spec for new dev guides | 19:28 |
| annegentle | loquacities: always is when you're at the castle :) | 19:28 |
| annegentle | loquacities: no worries | 19:28 |
| loquacities | tell me about it! | 19:28 |
| annegentle | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 19:29 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: the User Guides split removed the adminuser/enduser directories, so I had to adjust some redirecgts, see 182800 | 19:29 |
| jogo | annegentle: Not exactly, I am just wondering of someone ends up on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/ where do we point them for API docs | 19:29 |
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| jogo | ahh so this is up in the air it sounds like | 19:29 |
| annegentle | jogo: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html is the reference listing for 2.1 | 19:29 |
| annegentle | jogo: being redesigned, in phases, yes. | 19:29 |
| jogo | annegentle: cool | 19:30 |
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| annegentle | jogo: I don't exactly know when we'll get it all settled since there are 900+ calls now in OpenStack :) | 19:31 |
| annegentle | jogo: but please do comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ if anything seems really crazy | 19:31 |
| annegentle | jogo: or even if it's not crazy | 19:31 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: do you want to release the next openstack-doc-tools version or shall I? We need one to fix translations and RST - once change https://review.openstack.org/182178 landed | 19:32 |
| jogo | annegentle: added it to the list | 19:32 |
| jogo | adding a note to nova's docs saying: This is documentation for developers, if you are looking for more general documentation including API, install, operator and user guides see docs.openstack.org | 19:33 |
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| jogo | annegentle AJaeger thanks | 19:35 |
| annegentle | jogo: sure that works | 19:36 |
| jogo | trying to go through and overhaul nova's docs to make them actually half way useful | 19:36 |
| AJaeger | jogo, thanks for that! | 19:37 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: do you mind doing it? | 19:37 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: not at all... | 19:38 |
| loquacities | i'm on my laptop and jet lagged as all get out | 19:38 |
| loquacities | it might not be pretty if i do it ;) | 19:38 |
| AJaeger | just wanted to ask - will do it once the patch is reviewed and merged. | 19:38 |
| AJaeger | Thanks | 19:38 |
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| loquacities | all good, thanks :) | 19:39 |
| sicarie | Hello, I have a question about repeated use of a long convention, if someone has a moment | 19:39 |
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| AJaeger | sicarie: shoot... | 19:41 |
| sicarie | Namely, I'm writing a few paragraphs that use OpenStack Networking (neutron) and I'm curious if that's necessary every time, or if I can use a shorthand after the first time | 19:41 |
| AJaeger | sicarie: see how we handled it in the Install Guide - http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/zypper/content/ch_networking.html | 19:42 |
| sicarie | AJaeger: thanks! I'll use this | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | So, it's initially "OpenStack Networking (neutron)", then "OpenStack Networking" and if you read http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/install-guide/install/zypper/content/neutron-concepts.html, it's only "Networking" | 19:42 |
| sicarie | Cool - exactly what I needed | 19:43 |
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| jogo | one more nova devref question http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/#compute-api-v2 | 21:43 |
| jogo | that page points to two different locations for the v2 APIs | 21:43 |
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