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| fifieldt | loquacities, stop :) | 03:43 |
| fifieldt | just because bugs are old does not mean they are invalid | 03:43 |
| fifieldt | a lot of the bugs you've just closed are features that do need to be documented | 03:43 |
| fifieldt | just because they were added in havana doesn't change that :) | 03:43 |
| loquacities | yeah, but the code base has seriously moved on | 03:43 |
| loquacities | i don't have a problem with people re opening things | 03:44 |
| fifieldt | the feature will still be there | 03:44 |
| fifieldt | by closing the bug we lose the placeholder that we are missing something | 03:44 |
| loquacities | if no one has commented on it since 2012, it's seriously never going to happen | 03:44 |
| fifieldt | a lack of progess does not mean the bug is invalid | 03:45 |
| loquacities | it means no one cares | 03:45 |
| fifieldt | it does not make it invalid | 03:45 |
| loquacities | i never said it did | 03:45 |
| fifieldt | and it is up to us to find people to care :) | 03:45 |
| fifieldt | so far docs bug fix recruiting has been severely limited | 03:46 |
| loquacities | i'm not going to go and find individual people and sic them on old bugs | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | it does not make sense to close bugs when we haven't done all we can | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | 4 | 03:46 |
| loquacities | what are you expecting me to do? | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | leave the bugs open | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | work more generally on the problem | 03:46 |
| loquacities | seriously? | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | the large number of bugs is the problem | 03:46 |
| loquacities | that approach has clearly not worked so far | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | not that some of them are old | 03:46 |
| fifieldt | so far I honestly haven;'t seen any effort in the area :) | 03:46 |
| loquacities | i still don't understand what you are expecting here | 03:47 |
| fifieldt | acknowledgement that bugs in docs is a huge problem, and an all-out effort to try and fix it :) | 03:47 |
| loquacities | these are bugs that are over two years old | 03:48 |
| fifieldt | that does not matter in the slightest | 03:48 |
| loquacities | anne tried all sorts of things to get people to care about old docs bugs, and short of collaring individuals and standing over them while they fix things, i have no better ideas | 03:48 |
| fifieldt | for example ? | 03:49 |
| loquacities | so if you have a great plan for getting people to work on these, then i'm all ears | 03:49 |
| loquacities | she did all sorts of bug days and things, and they pretty much all fizzled | 03:49 |
| fifieldt | bug days? | 03:49 |
| fifieldt | they were renamed "bug triage days" and people just fiddled with the tracker rather than solving bugs | 03:50 |
| fifieldt | which undermined things significantly | 03:50 |
| fifieldt | from my perspective, the problem of the huge number of bugs was never even acknowledged | 03:50 |
| loquacities | i would rather clear out these ancient bugs with no comments for months (or years), and let people rediscover new bugs in the current codebase | 03:50 |
| fifieldt | when I tried to get acknowledgement, I was accused of "raising dram" | 03:50 |
| fifieldt | drama* | 03:50 |
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| fifieldt | it's cool to triage old bugs, but invalid bugs should remain open | 03:51 |
| loquacities | are you honestly saying that the only reason we have hundreds of bugs that are years old is because the bug days were referred to as bug 'triage' days? | 03:51 |
| fifieldt | I'm giving an example of the reduced effectiveness of the sole activity I saw regarding bugs | 03:51 |
| fifieldt | other than this activity, I really didn't see much | 03:51 |
| loquacities | well, i'm open to ideas | 03:51 |
| fifieldt | the first idea is to acknowledge the state of the problem | 03:51 |
| fifieldt | rather than trying to rug-sweep :) | 03:52 |
| loquacities | but i've been talking about cleaning out those old bugs since i became PTL, so as far as i'm concerned i'm just doing what i promised to do right now | 03:52 |
| loquacities | i never said we didn't have an issue here | 03:52 |
| loquacities | i've said it again and again since i became PTL | 03:52 |
| loquacities | and anne aknowledges it too | 03:52 |
| fifieldt | I read that promise as an desire to fix the problem :) | 03:52 |
| loquacities | and did, several times, during summit | 03:52 |
| loquacities | i do have a desire to fix the problem | 03:52 |
| fifieldt | so, we're agreed we want to solve this :) | 03:52 |
| fifieldt | that's great | 03:52 |
| loquacities | but doing that starts with recognising what the problem is | 03:53 |
| loquacities | i can't do that until i've got a solid idea of what old bugs exist | 03:53 |
| fifieldt | please do go through them with an open mind - I have many, many times | 03:53 |
| loquacities | and when i look at these, i see a whole bunch of bugs about features that barely even exist, that no one has even bothered to comment on them in years | 03:53 |
| fifieldt | barely even exist? | 03:53 |
| fifieldt | swift option syntax? | 03:53 |
| loquacities | yeah, and we have plenty of work happening on swift, on current issues that exist in the current codebase | 03:54 |
| loquacities | the codebase has moved on so much since 2012 | 03:54 |
| fifieldt | so you would close the only tracking we have of the fact we don't document at all one of the common ways to use swift tools? | 03:54 |
| loquacities | fifieldt: if i'm wrong on a particular bug, i have no problem with you explaining that and reopening it | 03:55 |
| loquacities | i am capable of making mistakes | 03:55 |
| fifieldt | So far I am seeing a lot of wrongness | 03:55 |
| fifieldt | which is why I jumped in here so quickly | 03:55 |
| loquacities | i just don't want dead wood sitting around that no one is going to fix | 03:55 |
| fifieldt | have you don't some study of the fixing vs the age ? :) | 03:56 |
| loquacities | what do you mean? | 03:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Updating certificates-for-pki content https://review.openstack.org/190456 | 03:56 |
| fifieldt | I'm just challenging an assumption | 03:56 |
| fifieldt | nothing more | 03:56 |
| loquacities | i'm happy to be challenged, i just don't understand what you're trying to say | 03:56 |
| fifieldt | but I think my fundamental point is still: if a bug is valid, we should not close it | 03:56 |
| loquacities | ok, i see your point | 03:57 |
| loquacities | this is the way i'm thinking about it: | 03:58 |
| loquacities | if a bug is valid, but the bug is also old and has no recent comments, then that bug has some fundamental problems: | 03:58 |
| loquacities | 1. the codebase has moved on in such a way that it is difficult (if not impossible) to actually make the fix | 03:58 |
| loquacities | 2. the bug itself would require a serious amount of effort to determine the current version of that truth | 03:59 |
| loquacities | 3. no one cares (because if they did, someone would have poked at it) | 03:59 |
| loquacities | so, i'm not saying these old bugs are invalid, necessarily | 03:59 |
| fifieldt | having spent more time than any living soul on the openstack-manuals bug tracker | 03:59 |
| fifieldt | I can debunk #1 and #2 | 03:59 |
| loquacities | i'm saying more that they're in the too hard basket | 03:59 |
| loquacities | i would prefer people find these *perfectly valid* issues in the current codebase, raise a bug, and fix it | 04:00 |
| fifieldt | that works very well for content that is wrong | 04:00 |
| loquacities | rather than hoping that some random nice person will think to look through two and three old bugs | 04:00 |
| fifieldt | that does not work at all for missing content :) | 04:00 |
| loquacities | but my point is, if it's been missing for three years, clearly no one missed it too much | 04:01 |
| fifieldt | that's not a fair assumption | 04:01 |
| loquacities | and therefore we need to wonder if maybe it's not that important | 04:01 |
| loquacities | why not? | 04:01 |
| fifieldt | we are the primary place people find out about things | 04:01 |
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| fifieldt | if it isn't in docs, people just don't know it exists | 04:01 |
| loquacities | c'mon tom, you've been working on user docs for as long as i have, you know that's not true | 04:02 |
| fifieldt | it is true | 04:02 |
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| loquacities | that's ... not a particularly good argument | 04:03 |
| fifieldt | your previous statement could be considered an "appeal to emotion" fallacy ;) | 04:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install-guide] Unlink trove and sahara content https://review.openstack.org/190912 | 04:03 |
| fifieldt | but that isn't the point | 04:03 |
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| fifieldt | we do need to track these things | 04:04 |
| fifieldt | we are tracking these things | 04:04 |
| fifieldt | we are not doing enough to fix these things | 04:04 |
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| loquacities | ok, i can roll with that | 04:04 |
| loquacities | what if we track them somewhere other than bugs? | 04:04 |
| fifieldt | for example? | 04:04 |
| loquacities | dunno | 04:04 |
| loquacities | wiki? | 04:04 |
| fifieldt | so, a wiki page of "missing things" ? | 04:04 |
| fifieldt | sounds a lot like a bug tracker ? ;) | 04:05 |
| loquacities | it removes the admin overhead of the bug tracker | 04:05 |
| loquacities | i actually don't like wishlist items in a bug tracker at all | 04:05 |
| loquacities | a bug tracker is for bugs | 04:05 |
| loquacities | "this is documented incorrectly" is a bug | 04:05 |
| loquacities | "this isn't documented" is an RFE | 04:05 |
| loquacities | RFEs can be tracked independently | 04:05 |
| fifieldt | I'm sorry, but "this isn't documented" is most definitely a bug | 04:05 |
| loquacities | how so? | 04:06 |
| fifieldt | a bug is a failing, right? | 04:06 |
| fifieldt | approximately | 04:06 |
| loquacities | no, a bug is something that is incorrect | 04:06 |
| loquacities | a missing step is a bug, a missing feature is an RFE | 04:06 |
| fifieldt | The expectation of our users is that every feature in OpenStack is documented | 04:06 |
| loquacities | well, yeah, that's never going to happen | 04:06 |
| fifieldt | if we are not achieving that, we are failing | 04:06 |
| fifieldt | it has to be our aim | 04:07 |
| loquacities | i'm ok with that level of failing | 04:07 |
| loquacities | why? | 04:07 |
| loquacities | i would rather document a few things well, then everything badly | 04:07 |
| fifieldt | so the aim then is to document as many things well as possible | 04:07 |
| fifieldt | which tangents up to "document everything" | 04:07 |
| loquacities | you can cut that way if you want, i guess :P | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | So, | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | new feature additions | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | we need to track them | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | the best tool we have at the moment is a bug tracker | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | which may not gel with all | 04:08 |
| fifieldt | I'm open to the idea of something else, but it has to be at least as good as a bug tracker :) | 04:08 |
| loquacities | well, that's very deliberately limiting :P | 04:09 |
| fifieldt | ok - breaking it down: that means things like one-touch updates, assignment of status, assignment of users | 04:09 |
| fifieldt | (users working on stuff, that is) | 04:09 |
| fifieldt | easy to query by project | 04:09 |
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| loquacities | yeah, i know, you're essentially saying "i'm ok with something that isn't a bug tracker, as long as it's a bug tracker" | 04:09 |
| fifieldt | tagging with 'xen' in nova also has | 04:09 |
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| fifieldt | I'm just elucidating the features that have been helpful | 04:10 |
| fifieldt | completely OK for each and every one of those needs to be attacked for justification | 04:10 |
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| fifieldt | do you also have a moment to elaborate on the "administrative overhead" you mentioned earlier? is it just that stuff is difficult to find? | 04:10 |
| fifieldt | another thing that I find handy about the bug tracker approach is the ability to assign things to projects easily | 04:11 |
| fifieldt | something I think we should consider is going through based on tag | 04:11 |
| fifieldt | and adding a dev project assignment for each bug that's worth it | 04:11 |
| loquacities | how much time do you spend on bug tracking every week? | 04:11 |
| loquacities | triage, etc? | 04:11 |
| fifieldt | varies quite a lot - most of the effort is on new bugs coming in | 04:12 |
| loquacities | yeah, but you multiply that by a dozen cores, over several years | 04:12 |
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| fifieldt | so now we're not triaging new bugs? ;) | 04:12 |
| loquacities | and 500-odd bugs | 04:12 |
| loquacities | no, i'm just pointing out what i mean by admin overhead | 04:13 |
| loquacities | bugs require admin | 04:13 |
| loquacities | end of story | 04:13 |
| fifieldt | yes, but I see that there's an assumption there about old bugs | 04:13 |
| loquacities | if we can reduce some of that, then i'd like to | 04:13 |
| fifieldt | old bugs actually don't require much triage effort | 04:13 |
| fifieldt | compared to the new stuff | 04:13 |
| fifieldt | so if we want to fix overhead, the new stuff would be the optimisation point | 04:14 |
| * fifieldt thinks of things we could do | 04:14 | |
| fifieldt | we could potentially take incoming docimpact bugs, look up their code and work out whether it was a change that involves autogenerate-config-docs | 04:14 |
| loquacities | yeah, but it's easy to find new bugs to work on | 04:14 |
| loquacities | yeah, actually, that's next on my list | 04:15 |
| loquacities | so first of all, i wanted to look at the old 2- and 3-year old bugs | 04:15 |
| loquacities | which i've now done | 04:15 |
| loquacities | next is to find all the doc-impacts | 04:15 |
| loquacities | anyway, it seems to me as though we're more or less in violent agreement about the problem | 04:15 |
| loquacities | it's the solution we disagree on | 04:15 |
| fifieldt | would you be OK to continue more strategic discussions about solutions at a later time? | 04:16 |
| loquacities | what about this: each week i send out the newsletter, what if we pick half a dozen old bugs to spotlight each week? | 04:16 |
| loquacities | i don't know if it'll help, but maybe it'll get some extra eyeballs on them? | 04:16 |
| loquacities | i'm always open to discussion about this stuff | 04:16 |
| fifieldt | that sounds great to me. Would you also be interested in tracking the number of open bugs vs fix released? I could make a simple script to dump out the number | 04:17 |
| loquacities | that would be cool | 04:17 |
| fifieldt | the other thing I'd like your opinion on when you get a moment is that idea above | 04:17 |
| fifieldt | the idea being that doc bugs wouldn't just be in the manuals tracker | 04:17 |
| fifieldt | they'd also appear in the project's tracker | 04:17 |
| loquacities | yeah, that would mean tweaking the docimpact code, right? | 04:18 |
| fifieldt | naw | 04:18 |
| fifieldt | this could be even for non doc-impact stuff | 04:18 |
| fifieldt | but maybe doc impact could be a starting point | 04:18 |
| fifieldt | in terms of implementation, we could either do it in docimpact | 04:18 |
| fifieldt | or we could do it as a post-job | 04:19 |
| fifieldt | just loop through whatever is in the swift tag on LP | 04:19 |
| loquacities | i think docimpact needs a complete overhaul, personally | 04:19 |
| fifieldt | and add the swift project | 04:19 |
| fifieldt | serious communication problems with developers over docimpact | 04:19 |
| loquacities | yep | 04:19 |
| fifieldt | so, call me a "drama raiser", but I'm looking forward to frank discussions about the role of dev teams there | 04:20 |
| fifieldt | cinder is not so bad | 04:20 |
| loquacities | i am absolutely ok with drama | 04:20 |
| fifieldt | everyone else thinks there's magic fairys :) | 04:20 |
| loquacities | if there's no drama, then i'll keep kicking things until there is ;) | 04:20 |
| fifieldt | haha, awesome | 04:20 |
| fifieldt | I think the one thing docimpact has done for us is give us trackability of features coming in | 04:21 |
| fifieldt | aside from that ... ;) | 04:21 |
| loquacities | anyway, i haven't started the doc impact discussion yet, so i'm happy for to kick that one off, if you want to | 04:21 |
| loquacities | the main problem with docimpact is no one understands it properly, so it gets misused constantly | 04:21 |
| loquacities | (by devs and writers) | 04:21 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 04:21 |
| fifieldt | the proposal to assign the developer to the docimpact bug might be one way :) | 04:22 |
| loquacities | yeah, i like the idea | 04:22 |
| loquacities | mostly because it's simple | 04:22 |
| loquacities | but i'm not sure it solves the problem | 04:22 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 04:23 |
| fifieldt | communication probably trumps passive-agressive bug assignment :) | 04:24 |
| loquacities | communication is generally more helpful :P | 04:25 |
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| fifieldt | anyway, thank you very much for being so responsive to my concerns | 04:26 |
| loquacities | not at all | 04:26 |
| loquacities | thanks for piping up! | 04:26 |
| fifieldt | I will keep thinking about those old bugs and anything better we can do with them | 04:27 |
| fifieldt | since it is certainly an issue | 04:27 |
| fifieldt | if I get a moment I might send you a brainstorming document of random things related to bugs | 04:27 |
| fifieldt | since I care passionately about fixing them, for some bizarre reason :) | 04:27 |
| loquacities | sure | 04:28 |
| loquacities | i'm open to ideas, because so far i've had very few | 04:28 |
| loquacities | but i promised to clear them out during my term, one way or another | 04:28 |
| fifieldt | :) | 04:28 |
| fifieldt | I like your action first approach | 04:28 |
| fifieldt | it draws activity out | 04:28 |
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| loquacities | lol | 04:28 |
| loquacities | i've always told my new writers to go ahead and write bullshit if they don't understand something ... someone will always pipe up and tell you if you're wrong :P | 04:29 |
| loquacities | i think that model applies here too ;) | 04:29 |
| fifieldt | what a great strategy :) | 04:29 |
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| fifieldt | also: for the record, having assessed loquacities activity on the tracker in more detail, I think my initial response was an overreaction. Most of the bugs closed were xen-related. This is a known problem over a wide area, so my argument about tracking things does not apply. Closing them was probably the right move :) In the others, I only fixed up a couple - loquacities is probably human after all and not the evil bug-closing | 04:34 |
| fifieldt | robot I made her out to be :) | 04:34 |
| fifieldt | Despite this, I am glad it led to a useful discussion :) | 04:34 |
| loquacities | LOL | 04:35 |
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| fifieldt | loquacities, it's getting late in the day I know, but as you're exploring launchpad, would you like to have a chat about the use of its 'milestones' feature? I've basically been taking care of that so far, never really written down what I was doing, and if it's in your interest, I could run through the current state so you can think about how you want to wrangle it into your strategic guidance capabilities :) (note: I'm not sug | 05:26 |
| fifieldt | gesting we use milestones like code projects or anything like that, just really feel the need to share info about the current milestone-per-release thing) | 05:26 |
| loquacities | yeah, why don't you write it up somewhere? | 05:26 |
| loquacities | like maybe on the triaging page? | 05:26 |
| fifieldt | aww, man, I was hoping I could wing it interactively in IRC, but if a proper write-up is what you desire, I'll do it :) | 05:27 |
| loquacities | i have as much spare time as you do, fifieldt :P | 05:27 |
| fifieldt | oh, not trying to put it back on you at all :) | 05:27 |
| loquacities | just throw some dot points on that page, i'm sure someone could clean it up | 05:27 |
| fifieldt | kk | 05:27 |
| fifieldt | I'll start with an etherpad so I can be scrappy first | 05:27 |
| loquacities | good plan | 05:28 |
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| fifieldt | getting there: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-milestones | 05:43 |
| fifieldt | also: launchpad is le sucks | 05:45 |
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| fifieldt | loquacities, I just updated the docs ML settings so if you send mail from that address it will automatically be accepted (without subscribing the address, of course) | 06:07 |
| loquacities | oh damn, did i use the wrong email address? | 06:08 |
| loquacities | sorry, i should have cancelled the posting | 06:08 |
| loquacities | and resent from the right place | 06:08 |
| fifieldt | mail@lana | 06:08 |
| loquacities | yeah, should have been openstack@lana | 06:08 |
| loquacities | can you change that so it rejects from that address please? | 06:09 |
| loquacities | my email will turn into even more of a nightmare than it already is! | 06:09 |
| fifieldt | sorry! | 06:09 |
| loquacities | no problem | 06:09 |
| fifieldt | for some odd reason, the password I was just using is now not letting me :| | 06:09 |
| fifieldt | me in* | 06:09 |
| loquacities | i see what you were trying to do! | 06:09 |
| fifieldt | muhahaha | 06:09 |
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| loquacities | heh, bloody mailman | 06:10 |
| fifieldt | ah, the password I have is the moderator password, not the administrator password | 06:10 |
| fifieldt | so I can cause problems, but not fix them | 06:10 |
| fifieldt | :| | 06:10 |
| loquacities | lol | 06:10 |
| fifieldt | I'm guessing you have the admin password? | 06:11 |
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| loquacities | yeah, i do | 06:11 |
| loquacities | just trying to work out where i change that | 06:11 |
| fifieldt | let me login to another list | 06:11 |
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| fifieldt | and find the box | 06:11 |
| loquacities | i can see that i'm not a member | 06:12 |
| loquacities | but not sure how to change the mod settings for that email | 06:12 |
| fifieldt | thre is a box somewhere like "accept mail from these addresses: | 06:13 |
| fifieldt | " | 06:13 |
| fifieldt | I'm trying to find out where it is :) | 06:13 |
| fifieldt | got it | 06:13 |
| fifieldt | Privacy Options | 06:13 |
| fifieldt | then Sender Filters | 06:13 |
| loquacities | oh, the one i *didn't* click on :S | 06:14 |
| fifieldt | You should see the address in Non-member filters | 06:14 |
| fifieldt | also in general options, you might want to update the list owner email | 06:14 |
| loquacities | got it | 06:14 |
| fifieldt | yay mailman :| | 06:14 |
| loquacities | heh | 06:15 |
| loquacities | it's a beast | 06:15 |
| loquacities | added my name to the owner bit, too | 06:15 |
| loquacities | thanks! | 06:15 |
| fifieldt | :D | 06:15 |
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| fifieldt | I wonder if in 10 years, OpenStack will be like this thing which has a billion options that noone knows quite how to use | 06:15 |
| loquacities | i think it already is :P | 06:16 |
| fifieldt | :D | 06:16 |
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| dhvanan | sayalilunkad: hey! | 06:43 |
| dhvanan | sayalilunkad: the icehouse deployment has just one compute node,how can i scale it up to have multiple compute nodes? | 06:44 |
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| harry51s | Could someone please verify bug #1464337 for me so I can claim it and fix it? It's a simple text change. | 12:25 |
| openstack | bug 1464337 in openstack-manuals "Missing password prompt for Demo user in example" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464337 | 12:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | looking | 12:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah you could fix that | 12:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | very minor | 12:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | also needs a backport to kilo | 12:29 |
| harry51s | Yep - I'll add that tag | 12:29 |
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| NEW | Hi team | 13:09 |
| NEW | i want to edit http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/networking.html | 13:09 |
| NEW | could somebody help on how to make changes | 13:09 |
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| NEW | could sombody ans ?? | 14:14 |
| NEW | i could not find security guide | 14:14 |
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| gpocentek | NEW: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation | 14:18 |
| gpocentek | repositories are listed on this page | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Anne Gentle proposed openstack/docs-specs: Adds new Liberty spec for API Reference information https://review.openstack.org/177934 | 14:18 |
| NEW | thanks .. i was really searching in wrong location. | 14:19 |
| NEW | thans | 14:19 |
| NEW | thanks | 14:19 |
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| NEW | one more question, for security or training guides i have to clone these first . | 14:21 |
| NEW | no need for manuals ? | 14:22 |
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| gpocentek | NEW: no need for openstack-manuals | 14:25 |
| NEW | okay . thanks alot | 14:31 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: Sharing rst accross repos works... | 16:03 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: with copying files around ;) | 16:03 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: here's one automatic import: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190572/ | 16:10 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: triggered by openstack-manuals/tools/sync-projects.sh | 16:10 |
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| janonymous_ | Hi, Can i commit changes in docs of kilo version , http://docs.openstack.org/kilo/config-reference . if yes do i have to checkout master or kilo for that ? | 16:39 |
| annegentle | janonymous_: those are published from the stable/kilo branch so you have to patch that branch specifically | 16:40 |
| annegentle | janonymous_: does that make sense? | 16:40 |
| janonymous_ | ok, i have to checkout kilo branch , add my patch and simply generate review .. ryt ? | 16:41 |
| annegentle | janonymous_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#How_to_a_make_changes_to_a_stable_branch | 16:42 |
| annegentle | checkout a new branch based on remotes/origin/stable/kilo | 16:42 |
| janonymous_ | okay, thanks for the link it will help. | 16:44 |
| annegentle | janonymous_: sure, feel free to ask more Qs as you go | 16:45 |
| annegentle | janonymous_: Also, a protip on the tables in the config ref, they are generated from the code | 16:45 |
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| AJaeger | janonymous_: we only accept changes for kilo that have been merged for master already! | 17:23 |
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| AJaeger | janonymous_: we backport changes... | 17:24 |
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| janonymous_ | Okay, got it . | 17:32 |
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| janonymous_ | <openstackgerrit> janonymous proposed openstack/swift: Fixed Formatting Error in Swift -Form Post middleware section. https://review.openstack.org/191171 | 18:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maria Zlatkova proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Converts ch_database.xml to RST https://review.openstack.org/191152 | 20:24 |
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