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| flwang | hi any doc team guy around? | 01:28 |
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| flwang | loquacities: ping | 01:32 |
| loquacities | flwang: hi! | 01:33 |
| flwang | loquacities: Hi Lana | 01:33 |
| loquacities | how are you? | 01:33 |
| flwang | is it the right time to ask some doc questions? :) | 01:33 |
| loquacities | sure | 01:33 |
| flwang | not too bad ;) | 01:33 |
| flwang | loquacities: so i would like to know where i can find the user guide for zaqar | 01:34 |
| flwang | which is placing at https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/tree/master/doc/user-guide | 01:34 |
| loquacities | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/ | 01:34 |
| flwang | i mean i assume the user guide should be published somewhere on docs.openstack.org | 01:34 |
| flwang | loquacities: that's the developer doc | 01:35 |
| loquacities | it's the only zaqar doc there is | 01:35 |
| flwang | loquacities: yep, that's the problem | 01:35 |
| loquacities | that i'm aware of, anyway | 01:35 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 01:36 |
| loquacities | hiya vkmc | 01:36 |
| flwang | loquacities: so how can we publish the user guide? | 01:36 |
| vkmc | loquacities, hey hey | 01:36 |
| loquacities | it can be published to /developer | 01:36 |
| vkmc | loquacities, you mean this? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/ | 01:38 |
| vkmc | we already have devs docs | 01:38 |
| vkmc | we want to get our user guides up | 01:38 |
| loquacities | considering they haven't been updated since 2014, there doesn't seem to be a lot of relevant content there | 01:38 |
| vkmc | developer/zaqar? | 01:39 |
| loquacities | the github link you sent | 01:39 |
| loquacities | was last updated in dec 2014 | 01:39 |
| vkmc | oh yeah | 01:40 |
| vkmc | we have to update it, but after that, what is the workflow we should follow to have them included in the user guides? | 01:40 |
| loquacities | oh, you want it in the user guides? | 01:41 |
| flwang | loquacities: yes | 01:41 |
| flwang | and in ops guide, and api ref | 01:41 |
| loquacities | there's already content in the API guide | 01:41 |
| loquacities | and the ops guide, i believe | 01:41 |
| loquacities | also probably the config ref | 01:42 |
| loquacities | for user guide content, i would start with a blueprint+spec | 01:42 |
| flwang | seems no http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 01:42 |
| loquacities | then you can go ahead and add content from there | 01:42 |
| flwang | loquacities: awesome, we just want to figure out the process | 01:42 |
| flwang | then we will follow to fill the content | 01:43 |
| loquacities | yep | 01:43 |
| loquacities | hrm, you're right, it's not included in api | 01:43 |
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| flwang | loquacities: awesome awesome | 01:43 |
| flwang | and not in ops guide | 01:43 |
| flwang | not in conf ref as well :( | 01:44 |
| loquacities | there's a spot for it in the ops guide http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/roadmap-zaqar.html | 01:44 |
| vkmc | how are things handled in this case? should we get someone qualified to write our docs? | 01:44 |
| loquacities | the docs team will help you with reviews, etc | 01:44 |
| vkmc | oh cool | 01:44 |
| loquacities | and once we've got a location for the content, you can work with the appropriate speciality team to get the right IA, etc | 01:45 |
| flwang | loquacities: coooool | 01:45 |
| loquacities | the user guides are going through a reorg this cycle, so talking to them early is advised | 01:46 |
| loquacities | as is the ops guide | 01:46 |
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| loquacities | you also need to be aware that you're responsible for keeping your content up to date, as well | 01:46 |
| flwang | loquacities: yep | 01:47 |
| vkmc | that makes sense yes | 01:47 |
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| loquacities | cool :) | 01:47 |
| flwang | re ops guide, who is the right guy we should talk to ? | 01:47 |
| loquacities | i think you mean person ;) | 01:47 |
| loquacities | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 01:47 |
| flwang | loquacities: can you remind me how many doc types for an openstack project generally? | 01:48 |
| loquacities | what do you mean by 'doc types'? | 01:48 |
| flwang | wow, your above link basically answered my question | 01:48 |
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| loquacities | lol | 01:48 |
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| flwang | loquacities: i mean for a team, how many kinds of doc we should support? like api ref, conf ref, user guide, developer guide, etc | 01:49 |
| loquacities | oh, that varies wildly depending on the project | 01:49 |
| loquacities | you won't need all that | 01:50 |
| flwang | loquacities: yep, i see | 01:50 |
| flwang | loquacities: so what's our next step? should i draft one or several spec? | 01:50 |
| loquacities | pick your favourite, let's start with that ;) | 01:51 |
| loquacities | whatever you have the most content for | 01:51 |
| flwang | for example, if zaqar want to add the user guide, api ref and conf ref | 01:51 |
| loquacities | pick one ;) | 01:52 |
| flwang | user guide, boss :) | 01:52 |
| loquacities | docs is a small team, we can't do everything all at once | 01:52 |
| loquacities | and we have a lot on our plate with reorgs and RST migrations this release already | 01:52 |
| loquacities | ok, get a blueprint+spec written up for that, and engage the user guides speciality team | 01:52 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: ^^ | 01:53 |
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| JRobinson__ | loquacities, heya, reading scroll back | 01:53 |
| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ | 01:53 |
| loquacities | TL;DR: zaqar team have some content written that they would like to add to the user guides | 01:54 |
| loquacities | i've asked them to create a blueprint+spec and to start talking to you | 01:54 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: hi | 01:54 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, that's good! | 01:55 |
| JRobinson__ | flwang, hello! We're looking to also clarify the scope of a reorganisation of the guides at the moment, and there is an oppurtunity to include information on Zaqar admin tasks. | 01:55 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: yep, TBH, i'm not really sure the user guide we have if it should be in the conf ref or user guide | 01:57 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: i'm looking for the content so that you can help check | 01:57 |
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| flwang | JRobinson__: loquacities: can you help double check https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/commit/151db4031c3f74dda2889bc21a347f636e8cf064 if it's a user guide or i should put it in conf doc ? | 01:59 |
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| loquacities | user guide is for concept+task info ('what is it?' and 'how do i do it?') | 02:00 |
| loquacities | config ref is for reference info ('what else do i need to know?') | 02:00 |
| JRobinson__ | At the moment, zaqar does not have a section in the user guide. | 02:00 |
| loquacities | that stuff you link to is user guide | 02:00 |
| JRobinson__ | The information on the concept of scalable HA is user guide related. | 02:00 |
| JRobinson__ | Then the task of installing and setting up fits into the cloud admin task scope. | 02:01 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, agreed | 02:01 |
| JRobinson__ | If it works, I can add this to reorganisation scope, and add a work item to create files for the zaqar contributors to add this information in? | 02:02 |
| JRobinson__ | ^to the reorganisation scope | 02:02 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: it would be great | 02:02 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, sentences are not clear at the moment. | 02:02 |
| flwang | loquacities: i asked me again what zaqar really want to publish | 02:03 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: yeah, seems sane | 02:03 |
| loquacities | i still want a blueprint+spec to add it, though | 02:03 |
| flwang | except the user guide, would you mind me adding the conf ref either? pls forgive me firstly :) | 02:03 |
| loquacities | config ref is a different beast | 02:03 |
| loquacities | it's largely autogenerated | 02:03 |
| flwang | loquacities: will that add a big work load to you guys? | 02:04 |
| JRobinson__ | *nods* blueprint+spec would be good. | 02:04 |
| loquacities | no, not particularly | 02:04 |
| JRobinson__ | it's okay - I was looking for zaqar related information for the user guide anyway/ | 02:04 |
| flwang | loquacities: if so, could i use one blueprint+spec to track the tiny user guide and the conf ref? | 02:05 |
| loquacities | you could do something like this: http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/ch_configuring-openstack-orchestration.html | 02:05 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: cool | 02:05 |
| loquacities | no, separate ones please | 02:05 |
| loquacities | there's different teams involved, and the work process is quite different | 02:06 |
| flwang | loquacities: ok, if that can make things easier, i'm happy to do whatever you want :) | 02:06 |
| loquacities | sorry to be a pain with the overhead there | 02:06 |
| loquacities | we've tried to combine them before and we always end up splitting them up at some point | 02:06 |
| loquacities | so i'm just trying to avoid that pain ;) | 02:06 |
| flwang | loquacities: i see. so both specs will be targeted to https://github.com/openstack/docs-specs/tree/master/specs/mitaka right? | 02:07 |
| loquacities | yes please | 02:07 |
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| flwang | and then we just need to follow up the spec and colloborate with each sub team, right? | 02:08 |
| loquacities | correct | 02:08 |
| flwang | you make my day! thank you! | 02:09 |
| flwang | JRobinson__: big thanks | 02:09 |
| loquacities | heh, awesome :) | 02:09 |
| JRobinson__ | flwang, no worries | 02:09 |
| flwang | ok, i'm going to stop bug you guys and go to write the spec | 02:10 |
| loquacities | thanks flwang | 02:11 |
| loquacities | ping me if you need anything | 02:11 |
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| flwang | loquacities: thanks ;) | 02:11 |
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| loquacities | np | 02:11 |
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