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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [cli-ref] Update python-cinderclient to 1.9.0 https://review.openstack.org/364675 | 00:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/369733 | 00:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Darren Chan proposed openstack/security-doc: Use hyperlink markup for the link reference title https://review.openstack.org/369746 | 00:33 |
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openstackgerrit | chen.xing proposed openstack/security-doc: Update endpoint create command https://review.openstack.org/368314 | 01:52 |
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openstackgerrit | chen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [networking] Fix the incorrect kernel requirement of VXLAN https://review.openstack.org/360922 | 02:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Taylor Huang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [config-ref] add Synology DSM volume driver https://review.openstack.org/369356 | 02:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Provide the latest screenshots in ops guide for cleanup https://review.openstack.org/359199 | 02:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] WIP Add introduction to the training slides https://review.openstack.org/366893 | 03:12 |
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openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/369734 | 03:54 |
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openstackgerrit | chen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [cli-reference] add a new sanity check parameter https://review.openstack.org/369811 | 04:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Add introduction to the training slides https://review.openstack.org/366893 | 04:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Add introduction to the training slides https://review.openstack.org/366893 | 04:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Vijay Ladani proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HPE 3PAR: file share support of AD in config ref https://review.openstack.org/367215 | 05:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Vijay Ladani proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HPE 3PAR: file share support of AD in config ref https://review.openstack.org/367215 | 05:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Alon Marx proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update IBM Storage config parameters https://review.openstack.org/366137 | 05:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Add missing items of "Compute quota descriptions" table https://review.openstack.org/368863 | 05:57 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/369734 | 06:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Joseph Robinson proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Horizon configuration options https://review.openstack.org/368634 | 06:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Revert "[config-ref] update MacVTap plug-in" https://review.openstack.org/369857 | 07:01 |
openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Revert "[config-ref] update MacVTap plug-in" https://review.openstack.org/369857 | 07:03 |
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openstackgerrit | chen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [image-guide] Highlight file name extension https://review.openstack.org/369867 | 07:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Ganpat Agarwal proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: updating service_credentials for Compute Meters https://review.openstack.org/369963 | 09:20 |
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openstackgerrit | nikesh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Configuring Kaminario Cinder drivers https://review.openstack.org/360741 | 09:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Luke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066 https://review.openstack.org/368077 | 09:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/security-doc: Use hyperlink markup for the link reference title https://review.openstack.org/369746 | 10:07 |
openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Scaling QoS for ScaleIO driver https://review.openstack.org/369998 | 10:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Matan Sabag proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Corrected ScaleIO oversubscription documentation https://review.openstack.org/370001 | 10:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [image-guide] Highlight file name extension https://review.openstack.org/369867 | 13:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/369734 | 13:45 |
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openstackgerrit | weizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] move the network name before --router:external https://review.openstack.org/367228 | 14:25 |
openstackgerrit | weizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of net-show and router-show are error https://review.openstack.org/368005 | 14:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: VMAX driver - Newton new feature documentation https://review.openstack.org/365547 | 14:33 |
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openstackgerrit | weizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of show demo is error https://review.openstack.org/367998 | 14:36 |
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openstackgerrit | weizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of create network is error https://review.openstack.org/367857 | 14:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Luke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066 https://review.openstack.org/368077 | 14:51 |
openstackgerrit | Helen Walsh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: VMAX driver - Newton new feature documentation https://review.openstack.org/365547 | 14:51 |
openstackgerrit | Luke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066 https://review.openstack.org/368077 | 14:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [barbican] https://review.openstack.org/364915 | 15:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [heat] https://review.openstack.org/364985 | 16:12 |
openstackgerrit | Gergely Csatari proposed openstack/training-guides: WIP: Reworking of Big Tent part of Upstream Training https://review.openstack.org/370262 | 16:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] (Telemetry) -> (ceilometer) https://review.openstack.org/370290 | 16:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Fix typo: projects implements https://review.openstack.org/370297 | 16:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Emma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [horizon] https://review.openstack.org/364988 | 16:55 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/369734 | 17:01 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Fix typo: projects implements https://review.openstack.org/370297 | 17:04 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/370339 | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/370340 | 17:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/370340 | 17:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/security-doc: Add marker files https://review.openstack.org/370376 | 18:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Simplify gerrit slides https://review.openstack.org/368889 | 19:01 |
Sam-I-Am | do we have a docs meeting? | 19:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] New section for setup and first patch https://review.openstack.org/370391 | 19:13 |
openstackgerrit | Giridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for availability zone https://review.openstack.org/370394 | 19:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update keystone install guide for Newton https://review.openstack.org/370403 | 19:46 |
lbragstad | stevemar ^ | 19:47 |
stevemar | lbragstad: you're my hero | 19:47 |
lbragstad | stevemar I'd mostly appreciate eyes on the keystone-manage bootstrap part | 19:47 |
lbragstad | stevemar also - with bootstrap, I think most of this can go away, no? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-services.rst#create-the-service-entity-and-api-endpoints-1 | 19:49 |
stevemar | lbragstad: yeah, all the service and endpoint creation is g-g-g-gone | 19:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Mark T. Voelker proposed openstack/api-site: Mark Cinder v1 as DEPRECATED https://review.openstack.org/370407 | 20:04 |
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annegentle | hey Sam-I-Am sorry I missed the docs meeting. Did you ever say what exactly you did to do the install updates last release? Were you running on gear you had already? Or in a cloud environment somewhere? | 20:05 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am I mean, I know it's "testing" but what exactly was that? What are pre-reqs? Etc. | 20:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Giridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for availability zone https://review.openstack.org/370394 | 20:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Incorporate bootstrap into keystone-services.rst https://review.openstack.org/370422 | 20:49 |
lbragstad | stevemar ^ | 20:49 |
openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Incorporate bootstrap into keystone-services.rst https://review.openstack.org/370422 | 20:58 |
openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update keystone install guide for Newton https://review.openstack.org/370403 | 20:58 |
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Sam-I-Am | lbragstad: can you tag me in your install guide patches? | 21:28 |
Sam-I-Am | annegentle: each cycle i install the new release, configure it like the prior release, compare the config reference new/changed/deprecated options, and see what works (or breaks) | 21:29 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am but how, on hardware you have? | 21:29 |
Sam-I-Am | i also look through release notes | 21:29 |
Sam-I-Am | i have a handful of rax cloud servers. remember the dev account we obtained? | 21:29 |
Sam-I-Am | i've also been known to test it on local vms | 21:30 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am oh yeah! Okay, got it. And how did you workaround "neutron on rax?" | 21:30 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am I thought that was a blocker | 21:30 |
Sam-I-Am | i set up manual vxlan tunnels between the nodes and use that as my physical_interface_mapping | 21:31 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am nifty | 21:31 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah | 21:31 |
Sam-I-Am | its definitely not something you run performance tests on, but it works | 21:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Matthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Update keystone for Newton https://review.openstack.org/370403 | 21:34 |
openstackgerrit | Matthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Incorporate bootstrap into keystone content https://review.openstack.org/370422 | 21:35 |
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openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add documentation for generic volume groups https://review.openstack.org/370233 | 21:42 |
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JayF | is it possible to do in-project admin guide just like you can do in-project install guides? | 22:43 |
JayF | Mainly wondering where http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/baremetal.html comes from today and if we can change the answer to be "ironic's git repo" | 22:43 |
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Sam-I-Am | JayF: i'm not sure thats possible now, but given the lack of contributions to central docs, if a project wants to take over any part of them... i think it makes sense | 22:44 |
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Sam-I-Am | the install guide and api docs were sort of an experiment | 22:45 |
Sam-I-Am | the install guide didn't take off well, but api did | 22:45 |
Sam-I-Am | thus, i think admin (and other stuff) has hope | 22:45 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: you're aware Ironic has about 18 patches up right now to implement our install-guide in tree? | 22:45 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: that might help your install guide success metrics, lol | 22:45 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: and if we could put admin guide in tree we'd do that, too, I suspect :D | 22:46 |
JayF | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1612278 | 22:46 |
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Sam-I-Am | JayF: i'm not aware of them. they dont show up in my review queue unless someone tags me. | 22:49 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: That's my way of saying "we like it, and we're using it, thanks :D" | 22:49 |
Sam-I-Am | JayF: a decent chunk of projects that had existing content in the install guide moved it in-tree, but really havent tested or updated it. | 22:49 |
Sam-I-Am | ironic has always had a good in-tree guide, so its nice to get that onto d.o.o | 22:49 |
JayF | we maintain[ed] an install guide and admin guide in our developer docs | 22:49 |
JayF | so we're more or less forklifting existing content into the install guide | 22:50 |
JayF | but having a little trouble knowing where to draw the line between "install guide" and "admin guide" | 22:50 |
Sam-I-Am | join the club | 22:50 |
JayF | but if we can't have admin guide in tree... it's more like drawing a line between "install guide" and "admin guide in developer docs" | 22:50 |
Sam-I-Am | historically, we broke the docs into categories based on the consumer | 22:50 |
Sam-I-Am | however, beyond operators and users, the lines become blurred and confusing | 22:51 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: if you wanna take a look at that patchset, even just the rendered basics, and help us draw that line, I think we'd be really appreciative | 22:51 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: I stopped reviewing b/c I got to a point where I was pretty sure we shouldn't be putting that deep of admin info in the install guide | 22:51 |
Sam-I-Am | the install guide has historically provided the config and concepts necessary to deploy the service in the simplest sense (mostly for people to try/evaluate) | 22:52 |
JayF | that's sorta what I expected | 22:52 |
Sam-I-Am | the admin guide should augment the basic installation with things operators would want in a more production environment | 22:52 |
JayF | yeah; so about half of those patches should be in admin guide, but we can't do that in-tree | 22:53 |
JayF | is this written down somewhere, or is it just "what most folks do" | 22:53 |
JayF | basically looking if there's anything better than alink to this IRC log to drop in alongside my "-1 I think this goes in admin guide" | 22:53 |
Sam-I-Am | well, for now i guess you could put the admin guide stuff into the central admin guide | 22:55 |
JayF | I honestly doubt we're going to do that. | 22:55 |
Sam-I-Am | or put it into your own docs for now and then we can link to it | 22:55 |
Sam-I-Am | even without the in-tree infra magic we can link to your docs. | 22:55 |
Sam-I-Am | i doubt anything in the admin guide for ironic is substantial | 22:56 |
JayF | no, but that's even more dangerous | 22:56 |
JayF | nothing is worse than "a little bit that nobody ever looks at" | 22:56 |
Sam-I-Am | well, whatever you want to do, i can make the goes | 22:58 |
JayF | Just mainly have my wheels turning about how hard it is to do in-tree admin guide :) | 22:59 |
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Sam-I-Am | JayF: in what sense? | 23:02 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: in the sense of how hard it'd be to implement for the admin-guide the same thing you all already did for the install-guide | 23:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | JayF: oh, it shouldnt be hard | 23:19 |
JayF | Sam-I-Am: that's what I suspected :) I might try to find some time to dig into that. | 23:20 |
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JayF | Sam-I-Am: At the very least, it'd be nice if by the end of ocata all of Ironic's docs were generated out of our own tree, and went into the right place ;) | 23:20 |
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JRobinson__ | JayF, An admin guide that uses the new install guide methods is worth going over. | 23:30 |
Sam-I-Am | i would like to reorganize all our content by service | 23:32 |
Sam-I-Am | then let each service determine which parts of that are in-tree | 23:32 |
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JayF | If we can get all the ironic docs in the "right place" in tree, wealready do a better-than-average job of enforcing doc updates | 23:33 |
JayF | so just a matter of finding all the hooks | 23:33 |
lbragstad | Sam-I-Am sure thing | 23:34 |
JRobinson__ | I like the idea of a User and Admin guide that give the project teams a bit more control that way | 23:36 |
Sam-I-Am | JRobinson__: in this case it'd be admin and user sections for each service | 23:38 |
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JayF | I'm heading out, but I'm big on the idea of getting all bare metal docs in ironic tree, anything I can do to help make admin-guide or whatever Sam has planned work lmk :) | 23:43 |
JRobinson__ | The table of contents right now has: Intro - Identity managent, Dashboard, etc. And each service title has a collection of admin tasks and options. | 23:47 |
JRobinson__ | Apart from renaming (Identity - Keystone) the task procedures might move into the project trees, and the guide would build from that source? | 23:48 |
JRobinson__ | JayF see ya o/ thanks for the discussion points. | 23:49 |
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