Wednesday, 2016-09-14

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [cli-ref] Update python-cinderclient to 1.9.0  https://review.openstack.org/36467500:04
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/36973300:26
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openstackgerritDarren Chan proposed openstack/security-doc: Use hyperlink markup for the link reference title  https://review.openstack.org/36974600:33
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openstackgerritchen.xing proposed openstack/security-doc: Update endpoint create command  https://review.openstack.org/36831401:52
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openstackgerritchen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [networking] Fix the incorrect kernel requirement of VXLAN  https://review.openstack.org/36092202:07
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openstackgerritTaylor Huang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [config-ref] add Synology DSM volume driver  https://review.openstack.org/36935602:15
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openstackgerritAllen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Provide the latest screenshots in ops guide for cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/35919902:45
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openstackgerritIldiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] WIP Add introduction to the training slides  https://review.openstack.org/36689303:12
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/36973403:54
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openstackgerritchen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [cli-reference] add a new sanity check parameter  https://review.openstack.org/36981104:39
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openstackgerritIldiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Add introduction to the training slides  https://review.openstack.org/36689304:44
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openstackgerritIldiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Add introduction to the training slides  https://review.openstack.org/36689304:59
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openstackgerritVijay Ladani proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HPE 3PAR: file share support of AD in config ref  https://review.openstack.org/36721505:22
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openstackgerritVijay Ladani proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HPE 3PAR: file share support of AD in config ref  https://review.openstack.org/36721505:42
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openstackgerritAlon Marx proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update IBM Storage config parameters  https://review.openstack.org/36613705:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Add missing items of "Compute quota descriptions" table  https://review.openstack.org/36886305:57
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/36973406:03
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openstackgerritJoseph Robinson proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Horizon configuration options  https://review.openstack.org/36863406:24
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openstackgerritAndreas Scheuring proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Revert "[config-ref] update MacVTap plug-in"  https://review.openstack.org/36985707:01
openstackgerritAndreas Scheuring proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Revert "[config-ref] update MacVTap plug-in"  https://review.openstack.org/36985707:03
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openstackgerritchen.xing proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [image-guide] Highlight file name extension  https://review.openstack.org/36986707:24
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openstackgerritGanpat Agarwal proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: updating service_credentials for Compute Meters  https://review.openstack.org/36996309:20
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openstackgerritnikesh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Configuring Kaminario Cinder drivers  https://review.openstack.org/36074109:38
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openstackgerritLuke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066  https://review.openstack.org/36807709:49
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openstackgerritAllen proposed openstack/security-doc: Use hyperlink markup for the link reference title  https://review.openstack.org/36974610:07
openstackgerritMatan Sabag proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Scaling QoS for ScaleIO driver  https://review.openstack.org/36999810:10
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openstackgerritMatan Sabag proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Corrected ScaleIO oversubscription documentation  https://review.openstack.org/37000110:15
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [image-guide] Highlight file name extension  https://review.openstack.org/36986713:01
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/36973413:45
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openstackgerritweizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] move the network name before --router:external  https://review.openstack.org/36722814:25
openstackgerritweizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of net-show and router-show are error  https://review.openstack.org/36800514:29
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openstackgerritHelen Walsh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: VMAX driver - Newton new feature documentation  https://review.openstack.org/36554714:33
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openstackgerritweizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of show demo is error  https://review.openstack.org/36799814:36
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openstackgerritweizj proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] the output of create network is error  https://review.openstack.org/36785714:43
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openstackgerritLuke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066  https://review.openstack.org/36807714:51
openstackgerritHelen Walsh proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: VMAX driver - Newton new feature documentation  https://review.openstack.org/36554714:51
openstackgerritLuke Hinds proposed openstack/security-doc: Adding OSSN-0066  https://review.openstack.org/36807714:52
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [barbican]  https://review.openstack.org/36491515:51
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [heat]  https://review.openstack.org/36498516:12
openstackgerritGergely Csatari proposed openstack/training-guides: WIP: Reworking of Big Tent part of Upstream Training  https://review.openstack.org/37026216:12
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] (Telemetry) -> (ceilometer)  https://review.openstack.org/37029016:38
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Fix typo:  projects implements  https://review.openstack.org/37029716:43
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openstackgerritEmma Foley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Consolodate project codenames [horizon]  https://review.openstack.org/36498816:55
openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/36973417:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [glossary] Fix typo:  projects implements  https://review.openstack.org/37029717:04
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/37033917:48
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/37034017:48
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/37034017:57
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/security-doc: Add marker files  https://review.openstack.org/37037618:51
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] Simplify gerrit slides  https://review.openstack.org/36888919:01
Sam-I-Amdo we have a docs meeting?19:01
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openstackgerritKendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides: [upstream] New section for setup and first patch  https://review.openstack.org/37039119:13
openstackgerritGiridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for availability zone  https://review.openstack.org/37039419:25
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update keystone install guide for Newton  https://review.openstack.org/37040319:46
lbragstadstevemar ^19:47
stevemarlbragstad: you're my hero19:47
lbragstadstevemar I'd mostly appreciate eyes on the keystone-manage bootstrap part19:47
lbragstadstevemar also - with bootstrap, I think most of this can go away, no? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-services.rst#create-the-service-entity-and-api-endpoints-119:49
stevemarlbragstad: yeah, all the service and endpoint creation is g-g-g-gone19:51
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openstackgerritMark T. Voelker proposed openstack/api-site: Mark Cinder v1 as DEPRECATED  https://review.openstack.org/37040720:04
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annegentlehey Sam-I-Am sorry I missed the docs meeting. Did you ever say what exactly you did to do the install updates last release? Were you running on gear you had already? Or in a cloud environment somewhere?20:05
annegentleSam-I-Am I mean, I know it's "testing" but what exactly was that? What are pre-reqs? Etc.20:06
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openstackgerritGiridhar Jayavelu proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix format for availability zone  https://review.openstack.org/37039420:29
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Incorporate bootstrap into keystone-services.rst  https://review.openstack.org/37042220:49
lbragstadstevemar ^20:49
openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Incorporate bootstrap into keystone-services.rst  https://review.openstack.org/37042220:58
openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update keystone install guide for Newton  https://review.openstack.org/37040320:58
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Sam-I-Amlbragstad: can you tag me in your install guide patches?21:28
Sam-I-Amannegentle: each cycle i install the new release, configure it like the prior release, compare the config reference new/changed/deprecated options, and see what works (or breaks)21:29
annegentleSam-I-Am but how, on hardware you have?21:29
Sam-I-Ami also look through release notes21:29
Sam-I-Ami have a handful of rax cloud servers. remember the dev account we obtained?21:29
Sam-I-Ami've also been known to test it on local vms21:30
annegentleSam-I-Am oh yeah! Okay, got it. And how did you workaround "neutron on rax?"21:30
annegentleSam-I-Am I thought that was a blocker21:30
Sam-I-Ami set up manual vxlan tunnels between the nodes and use that as my physical_interface_mapping21:31
annegentleSam-I-Am nifty21:31
Sam-I-Amyeah21:31
Sam-I-Amits definitely not something you run performance tests on, but it works21:32
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openstackgerritMatthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Update keystone for Newton  https://review.openstack.org/37040321:34
openstackgerritMatthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Incorporate bootstrap into keystone content  https://review.openstack.org/37042221:35
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openstackgerritxing-yang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add documentation for generic volume groups  https://review.openstack.org/37023321:42
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JayFis it possible to do in-project admin guide just like you can do in-project install guides?22:43
JayFMainly wondering where http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/baremetal.html comes from today and if we can change the answer to be "ironic's git repo"22:43
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Sam-I-AmJayF: i'm not sure thats possible now, but given the lack of contributions to central docs, if a project wants to take over any part of them... i think it makes sense22:44
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Sam-I-Amthe install guide and api docs were sort of an experiment22:45
Sam-I-Amthe install guide didn't take off well, but api did22:45
Sam-I-Amthus, i think admin (and other stuff) has hope22:45
JayFSam-I-Am: you're aware Ironic has about 18 patches up right now to implement our install-guide in tree?22:45
JayFSam-I-Am: that might help your install guide success metrics, lol22:45
JayFSam-I-Am: and if we could put admin guide in tree we'd do that, too, I suspect :D22:46
JayFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/161227822:46
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Sam-I-AmJayF: i'm not aware of them. they dont show up in my review queue unless someone tags me.22:49
JayFSam-I-Am: That's my way of saying "we like it, and we're using it, thanks :D"22:49
Sam-I-AmJayF: a decent chunk of projects that had existing content in the install guide moved it in-tree, but really havent tested or updated it.22:49
Sam-I-Amironic has always had a good in-tree guide, so its nice to get that onto d.o.o22:49
JayFwe maintain[ed] an install guide and admin guide in our developer docs22:49
JayFso we're more or less forklifting existing content into the install guide22:50
JayFbut having a little trouble knowing where to draw the line between "install guide" and "admin guide"22:50
Sam-I-Amjoin the club22:50
JayFbut if we can't have admin guide in tree... it's more like drawing a line between "install guide" and "admin guide in developer docs"22:50
Sam-I-Amhistorically, we broke the docs into categories based on the consumer22:50
Sam-I-Amhowever, beyond operators and users, the lines become blurred and confusing22:51
JayFSam-I-Am: if you wanna take a look at that patchset, even just the rendered basics, and help us draw that line, I think we'd be really appreciative22:51
JayFSam-I-Am: I stopped reviewing b/c I got to a point where I was pretty sure we shouldn't be putting that deep of admin info in the install guide22:51
Sam-I-Amthe install guide has historically provided the config and concepts necessary to deploy the service in the simplest sense (mostly for people to try/evaluate)22:52
JayFthat's sorta what I expected22:52
Sam-I-Amthe admin guide should augment the basic installation with things operators would want in a more production environment22:52
JayFyeah; so about half of those patches should be in admin guide, but we can't do that in-tree22:53
JayFis this written down somewhere, or is it just "what most folks do"22:53
JayFbasically looking if there's anything better than alink to this IRC log to drop in alongside my "-1 I think this goes in admin guide"22:53
Sam-I-Amwell, for now i guess you could put the admin guide stuff into the central admin guide22:55
JayFI honestly doubt we're going to do that.22:55
Sam-I-Amor put it into your own docs for now and then we can link to it22:55
Sam-I-Ameven without the in-tree infra magic we can link to your docs.22:55
Sam-I-Ami doubt anything in the admin guide for ironic is substantial22:56
JayFno, but that's even more dangerous22:56
JayFnothing is worse than "a little bit that nobody ever looks at"22:56
Sam-I-Amwell, whatever you want to do, i can make the goes22:58
JayFJust mainly have my wheels turning about how hard it is to do in-tree admin guide :)22:59
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Sam-I-AmJayF: in what sense?23:02
JayFSam-I-Am: in the sense of how hard it'd be to implement for the admin-guide the same thing you all already did for the install-guide23:05
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Sam-I-AmJayF: oh, it shouldnt be hard23:19
JayFSam-I-Am: that's what I suspected :) I might try to find some time to dig into that.23:20
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JayFSam-I-Am: At the very least, it'd be nice if by the end of ocata all of Ironic's docs were generated out of our own tree, and went into the right place ;)23:20
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JRobinson__JayF, An admin guide that uses the new install guide methods is worth going over.23:30
Sam-I-Ami would like to reorganize all our content by service23:32
Sam-I-Amthen let each service determine which parts of that are in-tree23:32
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JayFIf we can get all the ironic docs in the "right place" in tree, wealready do a better-than-average job of enforcing doc updates23:33
JayFso just a matter of finding all the hooks23:33
lbragstadSam-I-Am sure thing23:34
JRobinson__I like the idea of a User and Admin guide that give the project teams a bit more control that way23:36
Sam-I-AmJRobinson__: in this case it'd be admin and user sections for each service23:38
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JayFI'm heading out, but I'm big on the idea of getting all bare metal docs in ironic tree, anything I can do to help make admin-guide or whatever Sam has planned work lmk :)23:43
JRobinson__The table of contents right now has: Intro - Identity managent, Dashboard, etc. And each service title has a collection of admin tasks and options.23:47
JRobinson__Apart from renaming (Identity - Keystone) the task procedures might move into the project trees, and the guide would build from that source?23:48
JRobinson__JayF see ya o/ thanks for the discussion points.23:49

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