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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [admin-guide] Correct the "openstack flavor create" command https://review.openstack.org/382905 | 01:10 |
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| stevemar | whats the status for moving the admin-guide in-tree? | 02:37 |
| stevemar | for various projects, of course | 02:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lana Brindley proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [WIP] Adding new Release chapter https://review.openstack.org/382140 | 02:50 |
| loquacities | stevemar: what do you mean? | 02:51 |
| loquacities | i don't believe that's on our radar | 02:51 |
| stevemar | loquacities: i mean what is mentioned here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-October/009195.html | 02:51 |
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| loquacities | oh, i hadn't seen that thread yet, thanks | 02:52 |
| loquacities | so, i'll reply onlist, but for the record, we have no plans to do that at this stage | 02:52 |
| loquacities | we're waiting to see how the install guide and API guides look first | 02:52 |
| loquacities | then we'll consider expanding the model to other books | 02:52 |
| stevemar | loquacities: i think it's easier maintenance wise for the various project teams | 02:55 |
| loquacities | probably, yes | 02:55 |
| loquacities | in some ways it would be easier for docs, too | 02:56 |
| loquacities | although i worry about quality | 02:56 |
| stevemar | loquacities: i'm looking at the admin-guide for keystone/identity and they are out of date :( browne and i are updating them now | 02:56 |
| loquacities | it's harder for docs to keep an editorial eye on things that aren't in our tree | 02:56 |
| stevemar | i'm seeing a lot of duplication with the developer docs too, unfortunately (our bad on that one) | 02:56 |
| stevemar | loquacities: true | 02:56 |
| loquacities | yeah, that's to be expected | 02:56 |
| loquacities | so, with the install guide, we still maintain a central base document | 02:57 |
| loquacities | which we continue to test, etc, like we used to | 02:57 |
| loquacities | so we don't lose that review rigour | 02:57 |
| loquacities | i mean, i guess it's possible to expand that model | 02:57 |
| loquacities | but i also want to tread fairly softly | 02:57 |
| loquacities | and not just barrel straight down that path until we know it's the right way to go | 02:58 |
| loquacities | i'm very pleased with the early feedback on the install guides though! | 02:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [keystone] remove starting and configuring with SSL https://review.openstack.org/383529 | 02:59 |
| stevemar | loquacities: the install guide for keystone never made it's way over to be in-tree, i think zigo(?) wanted to keep it in manuals since its so critical (i'm cool with that reasoning) | 03:00 |
| loquacities | yeah, keystone is still 'core' | 03:00 |
| stevemar | loquacities: but we could go to town on the admin-guide, and remove a whole bunch of stuff from our doc/ folder | 03:00 |
| loquacities | yeah, i agree | 03:00 |
| loquacities | we're having a user guides session in barcelona, so we'll discuss it there | 03:00 |
| stevemar | loquacities: so much easier now that it's in rst format | 03:01 |
| loquacities | true! :) | 03:01 |
| stevemar | i think i may just spend the weekend updating it | 03:01 |
| loquacities | you really know how to party ;) | 03:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [keystone] remove starting and configuring with SSL https://review.openstack.org/383529 | 03:02 |
| stevemar | loquacities: lol | 03:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [ha-guide] Use Newton install guide link to replace Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/383612 | 09:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [ops-guide] Use Newton install guide link to replace Mitaka https://review.openstack.org/383618 | 09:58 |
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| ianychoi | AJaeger, good morning! | 10:15 |
| AJaeger | afternoon, ianychoi ! | 10:15 |
| ianychoi | :) I have a question. When openstack-manuals will have stable/newton branch? | 10:15 |
| ianychoi | I am waiting for that, since I think I need to create a stable version in Zanata for openstack-manuals | 10:16 |
| ianychoi | And thanks a lot for so nice progress on releasenotes translation job, AJaeger ! | 10:17 |
| AJaeger | we normally branch after the summit, to avoid too many backports.... | 10:18 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I see after the summit.. I see! | 10:18 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: I can create the branch also if I remember ;) And we'll announce it on the docs mailing list | 10:18 |
| AJaeger | thanks for checking! | 10:19 |
| AJaeger | we wait around a month - and that was the summit ;) | 10:19 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, aha then it is nice, since on I18n contributor meetup I can discuss Ocata translation plan with other contributors. | 10:20 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, would you like to come to I18n contributors meetup? It will be 2-6pm on Friday | 10:20 |
| AJaeger | all the meetups are at the same time ;( And I fly out on Friday evening. I hope to say hi everywhere but doubt I have much time ;( | 10:21 |
| ianychoi | For docs, I would like to go there but unfortunately, my arrivial would be at around noon on Friday.. | 10:22 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, I think I need to have more time on the 1st PTG | 10:22 |
| ianychoi | I see :) | 10:22 |
| AJaeger | will be tricky to meet but hope we manage ;) Looking forward to doso! | 10:26 |
| ianychoi | I also hope that :) | 10:27 |
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| AJaeger | ianychoi: in the past we merged all translations back from the stable branch to master - and told the teams so. | 10:34 |
| AJaeger | So, after that time, any translations done for newton needed to be redone for master (thanks to translation memory)- and anything done earlier got merged over (not overwriting existing strings, just adding new ones). | 10:35 |
| AJaeger | do you plan to do that again? When? Would be good to announce... | 10:35 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, but for releasenotes we agreed to only create master branch in Zanata as far as I remember | 10:36 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, and I am not sure, but stable-newton branch can only have newton release note strings? | 10:37 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: releasenotes are only available on master branch basically (that's the way they are generated) | 10:37 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: releasenotes is a different beast, I'm talking about the "normal" strings | 10:37 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, oops.. are you mentioning docs or releasenotes? Sorry because I have just written Akihiro's review | 10:37 |
| ianychoi | Aha mentioning docs... :) | 10:38 |
| AJaeger | I mentioned docs and code | 10:38 |
| AJaeger | I saw your review on amotiki's change - just double checked and have no clue how to figure that one out... | 10:38 |
| AJaeger | but good question to know | 10:39 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, I see. I have thought that most translators already knew that master branch will reflect to stable branch, but yes. Announcing is good :) | 10:39 |
| ianychoi | And IMO the creation of stable version would be after stable branches on repo will be created | 10:39 |
| AJaeger | and then somebody needs to do it for all stable branches... | 10:39 |
| AJaeger | you lost me with your last sentence | 10:40 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... let's check again.... | 10:41 |
| ianychoi | let me | 10:41 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger: Aha "redone" means disabling? | 10:41 |
| AJaeger | What I mean is: A Zanata admin does a one time merge now from stable/newton to master | 10:42 |
| AJaeger | Any new translations for stable/newton after this will not show up in master (no more merges). | 10:43 |
| AJaeger | But they are in the translation memory, so the translater can just copy the string from the memory for it. | 10:43 |
| AJaeger | Still, if somebody changes 100s of strings for one language on a branch, we can always manually - on request - merge to master. | 10:44 |
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| ianychoi | AJaeger, Oh I see. Horizon stable-newton translated strings need to be merged to master version.. | 10:44 |
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| ianychoi | at least | 10:44 |
| AJaeger | yes, exactly. | 10:44 |
| AJaeger | And for other repos the same... | 10:44 |
| ianychoi | Is there such functionality in Zanata? I did not know such functionality | 10:45 |
| AJaeger | yes, there's merge functionality. | 10:45 |
| AJaeger | Go to Horizon, select master | 10:45 |
| ianychoi | That's why my Mitaka translatation statistics were too high during Austin Summit :P | 10:45 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 10:45 |
| AJaeger | and besides the "Settings" in the upper right corner, there's "..." with more actoins | 10:46 |
| AJaeger | "Merge translations" is what we need | 10:46 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, https://www.dropbox.com/s/jw055uklceei8tr/Zanata-horizon-merge.png?dl=0 | 10:46 |
| ianychoi | Is that? :) | 10:46 |
| AJaeger | yes. | 10:47 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for pointing out this! It is so important thing. | 10:47 |
| AJaeger | Question is whether to use the "Keep existing translations" or not. | 10:47 |
| ianychoi | I will do it now and announce to i18n mailing list! | 10:47 |
| ianychoi | IMO Keeping is good.. How do you think? | 10:48 |
| AJaeger | I think we can override this time since edits will be done in the branch | 10:48 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, translators may see overrided logs on each strings, right? | 10:48 |
| AJaeger | Ask KATO or daisy or amotoki on what they did. In general keeping is fine, this time overwriting might help if there was review of the strings | 10:49 |
| AJaeger | it replaces the strings, old content should be in translation memory | 10:49 |
| ianychoi | Then not selecting this option is better.. hmm Histories are not recorded? | 10:49 |
| ianychoi | Anyway yep I will send an e-mail to them now | 10:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Shashi proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [DOC] compute_driver added to document. https://review.openstack.org/383640 | 10:50 |
| AJaeger | histories should be recordet | 10:51 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, I see thank you for this good point! | 10:52 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: AJaeger: I don't have a right to merge strings from stable-xxx to master, but I have an experience on what happens. | 10:52 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, then previously, "Keep existing translations" option was enabled? or disabled? https://www.dropbox.com/s/jw055uklceei8tr/Zanata-horizon-merge.png?dl=0 | 10:53 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I am not a Zanata admin, so I don't know what option is used on Zanata. | 10:53 |
| * AJaeger will be busy now, might not react to questions... | 10:53 | |
| amotoki | ianychoi: you need to ask kato-san or daisy. | 10:53 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, Okay I will thank you! | 10:54 |
| AJaeger | amotoki: question is: Do you want to replace strings that exist in both master and newton with newton version - or keep the master version? | 10:54 |
| AJaeger | IMHO: We branched a few weeks ago, therefore override - newton version is newer ;) | 10:55 |
| amotoki | my preference is to override too. | 10:56 |
| amotoki | I think strings in stable/newton are well reviewed than strings in master. | 10:56 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: then don't tick the box - leave as shown in the screenshot ;) | 10:56 |
| AJaeger | if you would merge back later, I would tick it - once teams translate master again. | 10:57 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, amotoki : I just sent an e-mail to ask it. Let's wait for their replies.... | 11:00 |
| AJaeger | ok | 11:02 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: sounds good | 11:03 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thx :) | 11:04 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: i think the point is "only newer translation will be used". | 11:04 |
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