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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add links to DNS Install Guide https://review.openstack.org/434201 | 10:32 |
| mugsie | AJaeger: ^ | 10:34 |
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| asettle | mugsie: thank you :) I"m sorry, that was me and my overly-excitable +2a'ing that merged that other patch. | 11:02 |
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| mugsie | asettle: no problem - glad I caught it before we released :) | 11:07 |
| asettle | Yes, thank you *so* much. | 11:07 |
| asettle | mugsie: unless I'm being very blonde this morning, is this meant to 404? https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/dns/draft/ | 11:08 |
| mugsie | asettle: I *think* so? I am not sure the post job was in place when the content merged | 11:11 |
| AJaeger | mugsie: merge anything to designate so that content is up there ;) | 11:11 |
| mugsie | AJaeger: requirements patch just got +A'd, so we should see something soon :) | 11:11 |
| AJaeger | mugsie: ok | 11:11 |
| asettle | AJaeger: ^^^ that's supposed to 404, right? We need this in place before we see things? | 11:11 |
| asettle | She says, very vaguely. | 11:11 |
| AJaeger | asettle: once the designate change merged and has run its post job, it should not 404 anymore. | 11:13 |
| asettle | Okay, holding my horses. | 11:13 |
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| asettle | mugsie AJaeger I'm just going to wait until everything's merged :) | 11:17 |
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| AJaeger | asettle, mugsie check again https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/dns/draft/ | 11:51 |
| AJaeger | mugsie: rememeber to backport your install guide to stable/ocata in designate | 11:52 |
| mugsie | AJaeger: done already :) | 11:52 |
| asettle | AJaeger: cheers! | 11:52 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: is anything going to blow up if I +2a? | 11:53 |
| AJaeger | asettle: no - just the opposite, all will be nice ;) | 11:55 |
| asettle | AJaeger: If *you* say so :D | 11:55 |
| asettle | mugsie you're in! | 11:55 |
| asettle | *claps* | 11:55 |
| * AJaeger is in a optimistic mood ;) | 11:55 | |
| asettle | AJaeger: I sense that! I was expecting a PM this morning from you all "don't merge install things!" :p | 11:56 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 11:56 |
| AJaeger | asettle: no worries ;) | 11:56 |
| asettle | I'm easily excited :P | 11:56 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 11:58 |
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| berendt | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112220.html | 13:05 |
| berendt | this could be relevant for the debian deployment guide | 13:05 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431532/ could you review please? | 13:19 |
| asettle | berendt: yeah it is :( | 13:19 |
| asettle | I don't know if we'll be able to do the guide. | 13:20 |
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| nishpatwa007 | Lana asettle where can I find the links of optional services for the installation guide landing page? | 15:20 |
| AJaeger | nishpatwa007: https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/newton/index.html was the newton version | 15:21 |
| AJaeger | Perhaps we need to create an extra page for each distro that reflects the high level content from that page? | 15:22 |
| AJaeger | nishpatwa007: I mean the "By chapter" list, copy it for each distro and show it. | 15:24 |
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| nishpatwa007 | So I discussed with Lana seems like we dont have links to optional services in the page https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/draft/ | 15:24 |
| nishpatwa007 | We thought of adding a optional services button along with go button | 15:24 |
| nishpatwa007 | but not sure thats possible or not? | 15:25 |
| AJaeger | nishpatwa007: My suggestion is the change the go link to the intermediate page. | 15:25 |
| nishpatwa007 | Means I could not find a single link for each OS | 15:25 |
| AJaeger | nishpatwa007: let's create one ;) | 15:25 |
| nishpatwa007 | Yes | 15:26 |
| AJaeger | nishpatwa007: it's important to tread all projects the same level and not have first and second-class impression, | 15:26 |
| AJaeger | asettle: any other ideas? | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [install] Update references from Newton to Ocata https://review.openstack.org/434424 | 19:33 |
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| asettle | AJaeger nishpatwa007 - sorry, haven't been online | 20:02 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: is your -1 still valid on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406450/ ? | 20:13 |
| annegentle | AJaeger yep, commented again | 20:14 |
| annegentle | AJaeger unless you think I'm being unreasonable :) | 20:14 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: what other style items do you have in mind? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | AJaeger color, button style, etc. | 20:17 |
| annegentle | AJaeger the best solution would be that header-as-a-service Jimmy prposed | 20:17 |
| AJaeger | I would do that as separate step - and consider filing a bug for it. But let's see what others say... | 20:18 |
| annegentle | AJaeger I can't imagine rolling out only logo change | 20:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger it's... mismatched awfulness to my eye :) | 20:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger I can log a bug with what I think has to happen if you think it'll help | 20:20 |
| annegentle | AJaeger basically, re-use all css and js from foundation webdev | 20:21 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: let's wait and see what others think on what's the best approach forward. Thinking more, you're onto something - so leave the -1 in there. | 20:21 |
| annegentle | AJaeger I'll add more here https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1646478 | 20:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1646478 in openstack-manuals "Use new OpenStack logos" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to KATO Tomoyuki (kato-tomoyuki) | 20:21 |
| AJaeger | asettle: what do you think? | 20:22 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: good idea | 20:22 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: for the install landing page or the convo above? | 20:22 |
| AJaeger | asettle: for the openstack logo/theming discussion | 20:24 |
| AJaeger | = conversation above | 20:24 |
| asettle | Hmmm so, I guess, my question is - how much time is it going to take to get the new theme perfect? | 20:26 |
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| asettle | We have such limited time at the moment and we just found out the Debian install guide won't be published and we barely have any testing on other stuff. Unless I'm perhaps misunderstanding (which, I very well could be, please tell me if I am), this seems trivial. | 20:26 |
| asettle | other stuff = other distros | 20:27 |
| asettle | For hte install guide | 20:27 |
| annegentle | asettle I've commented that ideally we'd get reusable resources from the Foundation | 20:30 |
| asettle | annegentle: ah perfect! | 20:30 |
| annegentle | asettle AJaeger all in the bug now | 20:30 |
| asettle | I'm just reading hte patch now. | 20:30 |
| asettle | I just came in so I'm catching up abit | 20:31 |
| annegentle | asettle the part to "babysit" is the Foundation tie in | 20:31 |
| * asettle goes off to read | 20:31 | |
| asettle | annegentle: while I'm doing that, what do you think the odds are this would get merged in 4 days? | 20:32 |
| annegentle | asettle which? | 20:32 |
| annegentle | asettle webdev, no way | 20:32 |
| annegentle | asettle leave that alone while releasing | 20:32 |
| annegentle | asettle otherwise stuff breaks (like the search) | 20:32 |
| asettle | Yeah right okay - that was my problem/point above. Easy. Let me catch up and stop my poor racing heart :p | 20:33 |
| AJaeger | openstackdocstheme would need a release anyway first | 20:33 |
| annegentle | AJaeger yeah | 20:33 |
| asettle | The merging of api-sit and openstack-manuals was reversed, yes? | 20:33 |
| annegentle | asettle typically you want to release everything tools-related prior to the actual release to give some real world living to the tools release | 20:34 |
| annegentle | asettle don't recall any merging there | 20:34 |
| annegentle | asettle for bugs sounds like that is still an active discussion | 20:34 |
| asettle | Yes, which is why I'm checking if the patches with the new logo that Christian mentions were merged in Manuals and API were actually merged | 20:34 |
| asettle | Because if we do a release | 20:34 |
| annegentle | oh yeah AJaeger did you have any thoughts on the tools bug tracking? | 20:34 |
| annegentle | asettle oh yes, the developer.openstack.org pages use the openstackdocstheme theme | 20:35 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: I don't care ;) | 20:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger heh | 20:35 |
| asettle | annegentle: cool thank you | 20:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger go ahead and say that, I can also not care | 20:35 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: if there are too many bug queues, you loose the overview - but if there are too many bugs you do as well ;) | 20:35 |
| asettle | annegentle: I kind of agree that we should move the bugs. But I don't want to be the face of the bug movement because I think people are starting to see me as a bit of a bug tyrant | 20:35 |
| AJaeger | if Brian wants to do it, let him do it... | 20:36 |
| annegentle | AJaeger heh, that's what cracked me up, why move the bugs back to openstack-manuals? | 20:37 |
| annegentle | it just regresses progress the other way from a metrics standpoint | 20:37 |
| asettle | annegentle: cause some of them are there already? *shrugs* | 20:37 |
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| annegentle | asettle ok, six of one, half a dozen of the other | 20:38 |
| asettle | annegentle: heh :P | 20:38 |
| asettle | Yes | 20:38 |
| asettle | Basically | 20:38 |
| asettle | But people are filing them in manuals, I think is more Brian's point | 20:38 |
| annegentle | yeah, ok | 20:39 |
| annegentle | but only because of breakages in systems that are fixable was my counter | 20:39 |
| annegentle | again I can not care about this :) | 20:39 |
| asettle | Yep, which is completely fair also. | 20:39 |
| asettle | Hahahha, I do think we should figure it out. | 20:39 |
| asettle | I mean, it was easy with sec. And docs are actually their top priority this release (hoooorayyyy). But we need to make sure we have people working on those queues | 20:40 |
| annegentle | asettle I think partially what happens is I think there should be a separate group working on tools, since it's a different specialty. But there's plenty of crossover. | 20:42 |
| asettle | annegentle: I agree. | 20:42 |
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| annegentle | asettle thinking through real scenarios | 20:44 |
| annegentle | asettle There's Brian, Karen, Andreas, Christian, Ian, and I who know the tools | 20:44 |
| annegentle | asettle some docs core, some not | 20:44 |
| annegentle | asettle again probably half and half | 20:44 |
| asettle | annegentle: would we separate the tools out of the same review queue? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | asettle so why not specialize and separate concerns and data? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | asettle or conversely, what gains are there to separate queues? Perhaps none. | 20:45 |
| asettle | Hmmm I see both sides. Perhaps over the next release (now that we actually have tools separated as a specialty team) we can test it out. See how Brian gets along in the separate Launchpad group - separating concerns and data. Maybe keeping them in the docs meeting but ensuring they're their own identity. | 20:47 |
| asettle | Give it a release to see how well it functions. | 20:47 |
| asettle | If it's highly successful, activate move in Queens. If bombs, merge back into manuals for more visibility | 20:47 |
| AJaeger | asettle, annegentle : Sorry, too tired to chime in here ;/ | 20:47 |
| asettle | AJaeger: sokay :P this is good. annegentle is churning my brain before my 1x1 with Lana | 20:48 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 20:48 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:51 |
| annegentle | asettle basically it's really up to Brian and the only way I get to communicate with him right now is the asynch mailing list. | 20:52 |
| asettle | Hahhaha whaaaat the ML is very in sync | 20:52 |
| annegentle | asettle ha ha | 20:55 |
| asettle | It only drives me mildly insnae | 20:55 |
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| asettle | Oh goodie | 20:56 |
| asettle | AJaeger: do we have a 'one link' to optional services or is it just what is labelled? | 21:00 |
| AJaeger | asettle: we don't have that. | 21:01 |
| asettle | AJaeger: so I'm just talking to nishpatwa007 about linking to the optional services in the new landing page | 21:01 |
| asettle | Lana has requested two buttons | 21:01 |
| AJaeger | With newton, we have https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/newton/index.html where the "By Chapters" list shows all services on the same level | 21:01 |
| asettle | One being "core services" and the next have "optional services" | 21:01 |
| AJaeger | asettle: we don't have core anymore! | 21:01 |
| asettle | AJaeger: literally repeating the email :P | 21:02 |
| AJaeger | I really thing that's the wrong message - it would say again "First claass/second class" citiziens | 21:02 |
| AJaeger | and that's what we want to avoid. We pushed those guides out and told folks that they are still first class! | 21:02 |
| asettle | AJaeger: yes okay. I think nishpatwa007 is confused because loquacities asked for it with those words. But that's okay, we can work on this :) | 21:02 |
| AJaeger | So, the only way I see is that the current button goes to a distro specific page that includes all services for that distro | 21:03 |
| asettle | ... I'd like to see it, but yes, I think that's right. | 21:03 |
| asettle | We just need to include the 'optional' services within the page | 21:03 |
| asettle | Which, apparently is not what is currently happening | 21:03 |
| asettle | nishpatwa007: does this make sense? | 21:03 |
| AJaeger | asettle: Or create a separate jump page for it. | 21:03 |
| nishpatwa007 | So we need 5 pages right? | 21:04 |
| nishpatwa007 | for each optional services per OS? | 21:04 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 see if you can box it all in one | 21:04 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 it's that landing that people covet | 21:04 |
| AJaeger | not sure what's best, but we should not have core vs. optional. | 21:04 |
| asettle | Yes, I agree with annegentle :) | 21:04 |
| * AJaeger calls it a day and waves good bye | 21:04 | |
| asettle | AJaeger: o/ adios | 21:04 |
| annegentle | g'nite AJaeger @ | 21:04 |
| annegentle | :) I mean | 21:04 |
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| annegentle | not splat :) | 21:04 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 21:04 |
| asettle | nishpatwa007: I think perhaps put a patch up using annegentle suggestion. OR at least, your best interpretation. | 21:05 |
| asettle | We can work better with images. | 21:05 |
| nishpatwa007 | so annegentle what exactly you are trying to say? | 21:05 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 Let me draw and send a pic :) | 21:06 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 might be easier | 21:06 |
| asettle | hahhahahaha thank you annegentle :) | 21:06 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 just wait til you see how great I draw ha ha | 21:06 |
| nishpatwa007 | And lets say I include both core services and optional services buttons then what about the current link | 21:06 |
| nishpatwa007 | hahah | 21:07 |
| nishpatwa007 | Yeah looking for your drawing. annegentle :) | 21:07 |
| asettle | nishpatwa007: don't use 'core' or AJaeger might come and get you in your sleep | 21:07 |
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| annegentle | asettle nishpatwa007 oh the text on the boxes already says core and optional | 21:08 |
| nishpatwa007 | hahhah... 😃 | 21:08 |
| annegentle | asettle nishpatwa007 there wasn't a way to integreate optional services in the toc on that landing | 21:09 |
| asettle | annegentle: omgosh don't he'll fly to the US to get you both :P | 21:09 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 asettle http://pasteboard.co/yLXbG9FTR.jpg does this make sense? Boxes for distro, boxes for services install links | 21:17 |
| asettle | annegentle: yeah makes sense. Would it end up being too busy though? | 21:19 |
| asettle | If we did that, I reckon we'd need to make the top boxes smaller. | 21:19 |
| annegentle | asettle to me no worse than https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/newton/ | 21:19 |
| annegentle | asettle yeah let nishpatwa007 play around with boxes | 21:19 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 unless you hate boxes :) | 21:20 |
| nishpatwa007 | I guess it will have too many boxes | 21:20 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 might be fun to have a couple of grids | 21:20 |
| annegentle | 5 distros, 16 services | 21:20 |
| nishpatwa007 | So 16 boxes? | 21:20 |
| nishpatwa007 | right? | 21:20 |
| nishpatwa007 | does 16 include basic services? | 21:21 |
| annegentle | 16 includes all links labeled "service" from https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/newton/ | 21:21 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 there may be up to 30 services but I doubt that'll happen :) | 21:21 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 it might be awful, it's okay to say so :) | 21:22 |
| nishpatwa007 | No its not difficult | 21:22 |
| nishpatwa007 | but I am wandering about the desing | 21:22 |
| nishpatwa007 | *design | 21:22 |
| nishpatwa007 | and each box will have 5 small boxes ? | 21:23 |
| nishpatwa007 | right? | 21:23 |
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| asettle | oof I dunno. This almost seems a bit messy now nishpatwa007 | 21:27 |
| asettle | Perhaps try it, see how it looks, and we'll discuss. I don't know if this element was a part of the design. | 21:28 |
| asettle | I dunno if the boxes are the best idea. Ugh we have to think about this properly. | 21:28 |
| asettle | loquacities: when you're in, we should probs chat with Nish about this. I dunno if Piet in the original design included it tbh | 21:28 |
| iphutch | no, I don't think he did | 21:29 |
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| nishpatwa007 | So should I hold off? | 21:29 |
| asettle | Bugger, thanks iphutch | 21:29 |
| asettle | Hmmm nishpatwa007 - how many boxes do you think there would be in total? | 21:30 |
| nishpatwa007 | There are 5 already and there will be 16 more for each services | 21:31 |
| iphutch | Then 5 little square images for links within each of the 16 | 21:31 |
| iphutch | \o/ | 21:32 |
| asettle | Jeez okay that's a bit much | 21:32 |
| asettle | I don't think that's a great idea | 21:32 |
| iphutch | There was an assumption on the original design that operators/archs would bookmark to chapters, hence they were left out | 21:32 |
| iphutch | another assumption, however, was that the optional links were in the distro TOC's | 21:34 |
| iphutch | So another idea would be to add the optional services to a distro page? | 21:36 |
| iphutch | Could wind up a bigger can of worms than the box-ception on the install page | 21:37 |
| * iphutch read all scroll back and realized the repetition - sorry folks! | 21:43 | |
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| annegentle | nishpatwa007 sorry, had to switch locations. | 21:52 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 I think you can keep your distro boxes up top, then in the second half (ok if below the first scroll), use smaller boxes to point to service install links | 21:53 |
| annegentle | nishpatwa007 or at least start there and see, again, it might be completely awful :) | 21:53 |
| nishpatwa007 | annegentle yes | 21:54 |
| nishpatwa007 | what do you think asettle? | 21:55 |
| asettle | SOrry nishpatwa007 just on a meeting :) be with you shortly | 21:55 |
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| asettle | iphutch and nishpatwa007 are you still sitting together? | 22:05 |
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| asettle | I just had a chat to Lana and I figured what we should do (cleanly) | 22:07 |
| iphutch | yep! | 22:07 |
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