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| asettle | AJaeger: do we have a policy for backports, like the zanata translations, of a simple +2A from one core? | 08:56 |
| asettle | Or do we want it to be reviewed more than once? | 08:56 |
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| AJaeger | zanata translations are not backports - but for zanata, we always have single +2A | 09:00 |
| asettle | Yes, I was using it as an example. | 09:00 |
| asettle | Can we do a similar process for backports? | 09:00 |
| AJaeger | For backports - those that are real backports and have been merged to master: Single +2A is what we do. | 09:00 |
| asettle | Cool, thought so :) | 09:00 |
| asettle | THanks | 09:00 |
| AJaeger | The line "backport: ocata" should be in the master change - and thus the backport is basically pre-approved ;) | 09:01 |
| AJaeger | Then it's just double checking that it applies cleanly | 09:01 |
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| asettle | gpocentek: doesn't the swift config files auto gen from the swift repo? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406209/4 | 09:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update zaqar flagmappings https://review.openstack.org/448700 | 10:55 |
| AJaeger | asettle: no, swift does not use the olso libs that allowed auto gen, so we had to do it differently for swift | 11:02 |
| * asettle mumbles | 11:04 | |
| asettle | Hmm | 11:04 |
| asettle | So, John's concerns in that PR though, they have to be fixed in swift still? | 11:05 |
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| AJaeger | gpocentek did this in the past. | 11:08 |
| AJaeger | I think we manually filled in descriptions since swift does not provide them. So, John's suggestions would have to be added to the files on our end. | 11:08 |
| AJaeger | WE could also merge as is and say: Let's do as followup. | 11:08 |
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| AJaeger | But I would be fine with removing swift options as well - and saying that they don't use the interfaces we require and manually updating does not scale. | 11:09 |
| AJaeger | Let me play bad cop a bit... | 11:10 |
| asettle | Hmmm to be honest, I do kind of agree. But swift is very widely adopted, I would not like to remove them without a discussion about adopting the oslo libs. | 11:11 |
| asettle | I'm sure the team would understand that we do not have the bandwidth to manually update their config tables. | 11:11 |
| asettle | I would like to merge, and do as a follow up for now. notmyname - is this a discussion we could start? I'm sure you understand that we currently just do not have the bandwidth in our team to have one project that requires manual updates. | 11:12 |
| AJaeger | asettle: see what I wrote in the review - and yes, let's have that discussion. | 11:13 |
| asettle | Thanks, just saw it. Let's see what notmyname has to say and hopefully we can work on something together :) | 11:14 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 11:20 |
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| d0ugal | Hi, so, I am a docs liason - and by most measures a bad one. What should I be doing? How do I find out the tasks? I see there is a meeting, but it isn't at a great time for me :( | 14:06 |
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| asettle | d0ugal: hey! | 14:16 |
| asettle | Sorry, I didn't see your ping there for a secondo | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | asettle: no problem :) | 14:16 |
| asettle | d0ugal: still for MIstral? | 14:16 |
| d0ugal | asettle: yup | 14:17 |
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| asettle | Cool - so, as you've seen, the doc team meeting is at 2100 UTC. Which, I do admit, is not fly for anyone - myself included. But unfortunately, it was a 'best case for all' type thing. | 14:17 |
| asettle | We would like CPLs to come, but we understand if you cant. | 14:17 |
| asettle | Otherwise, 'what should you be doing' | 14:18 |
| asettle | 1. If there's mistral specialty information in the docs, we would require you to review or triage doc bugs. | 14:18 |
| asettle | I don't know how much content there is on Mistral published at docs.o.o | 14:18 |
| asettle | Do you guys have a install guide? | 14:18 |
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| d0ugal | asettle: only on the mistral repo docs I think - https://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/#user-guide | 14:23 |
| d0ugal | Our documentation needs some serious work - something I hope to improve. | 14:24 |
| asettle | d0ugal: you should consider making that a stretch goal. If you're interested, we've been integrating all projects as project-specific install guides. | 14:24 |
| asettle | Instructions are here: https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/project-install-guide.html | 14:24 |
| asettle | Fairly straight forward, but you can publish on docs.o.o | 14:24 |
| asettle | Here... | 14:24 |
| asettle | https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ | 14:25 |
| asettle | IE: https://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/ocata/ubuntu-services.html | 14:25 |
| asettle | On the right: | 14:25 |
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| d0ugal | asettle: oh cool, that would be neat. | 14:34 |
| asettle | d0ugal: that would be really beneficial for you and the mistral project. You would be responsible for maintaining that documentation. | 14:34 |
| asettle | It would also be helpful d0ugal (if you're not already) to sign up to the doc ML for any updates | 14:34 |
| asettle | I send out the newsletter to dev, doc, and i18n lists - so if you have questions about that, go ahead :) | 14:35 |
| d0ugal | asettle: I am signed up to openstack-docs, but honestly I don't read it often - I'll try and do that more | 14:36 |
| asettle | No problem. Just the newsletter if you can - maybe just filter for "What's up, Doc?" | 14:36 |
| asettle | And you should be good :) | 14:36 |
| d0ugal | sounds like a good starting point at least, thanks | 14:36 |
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| asettle | d0ugal: no worries, ping if you have any questinos :) | 15:05 |
| d0ugal | will do! | 15:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update networking guide with metering agent alias https://review.openstack.org/452876 | 15:25 |
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| notmyname | asettle: good morning. anything we need to chat about before you go offline this afternoon? | 15:55 |
| asettle | notmyname: hello! :) did you have a wee second to catch up on scroll back? | 15:55 |
| notmyname | I saw the "swift" highlights | 15:55 |
| notmyname | but not a specific question | 15:55 |
| asettle | Hhaha so, we were discussing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406209/ | 15:56 |
| asettle | gpocentek has been very kindly updating the swift files for quite some time, manually. | 15:56 |
| asettle | Because swift does not use the oslo lib that the other projects use, we are updating this in our own repo | 15:57 |
| asettle | We don't have the resources to continue updating one project manually, when all the others are auto-genned | 15:57 |
| asettle | AJaeger and I were discussing the fact that we'd like to talk to you about updating this so we COULD auto-gen it | 15:57 |
| asettle | Whether this be your adoption of oslo lib, or we work on something else. | 15:58 |
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| asettle | But manual updates is not a viable solution anymore. | 15:58 |
| asettle | AJaeger: did I miss anything? | 15:59 |
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| asettle | For context, notmyname here's how the other projects are currently generating config refs: https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-tools/config-reference.html | 16:02 |
| asettle | "Updating swift options" is explained in the para down the bottom | 16:02 |
| notmyname | asettle: my -1 is for a few of the obviously wrong stuff in the patch. like incomplete sentences. the "missing" or otherwise confusing/incomplete docs on the options IMO are suggestions for improvement rather than blockers | 16:06 |
| asettle | notmyname: yep that's not a problem :) we can fix that up. But I'm talking about future updates here | 16:07 |
| asettle | We will make sure this patch passes in one form or another. | 16:07 |
| asettle | But we'd like to work on a solution for future swift configs. | 16:07 |
| notmyname | where does `extract_swift_flags.py` live? | 16:09 |
| asettle | Uno momenot | 16:10 |
| asettle | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools/tree/master/autogenerate_config_docs | 16:10 |
| notmyname | thanks | 16:14 |
| asettle | np | 16:14 |
| notmyname | asettle: it would seem that work is being duplicated in docs and in https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/deployment_guide.html#common-configuration (and following sections) | 16:15 |
| asettle | notmyname: does what we are requesting make sense? | 16:15 |
| asettle | Hmm, that's not ideal. | 16:15 |
| asettle | Are you guys generating that in your own tree? | 16:15 |
| notmyname | i'm not going to argue that either are perfectly complete and/or accurate | 16:15 |
| notmyname | "generating" | 16:15 |
| asettle | Creating, writing, updating, keeping, maintaining... | 16:15 |
| AJaeger | notmyname: if you have that documentation, then let's not duplicate but instead just link to it. | 16:15 |
| asettle | Up to yo, really :P | 16:15 |
| notmyname | yeah. you update/add a config option, a reviewer should ding you if you don't also write docs for it | 16:15 |
| asettle | Hm, so, we should have one source of truth. Ideally we'd obviously like to publish in the config ref as we always have, but I leave that in your hands. | 16:16 |
| AJaeger | Who of us has the docs, I don't really care. But since it's manual updating for us, I like to move away from that. | 16:16 |
| asettle | We just would like to no longer manually update | 16:16 |
| asettle | ^^^ what he said | 16:16 |
| asettle | Good job swinging in there AJaeger | 16:16 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's manual updating for us too, but that seems to make more sense | 16:16 |
| AJaeger | If it would be really autogenerated for us - like for all other projects - then I'm fine with duplicating. | 16:16 |
| AJaeger | notmyname: so, go with oslo.config and no more manual updating for you ;) | 16:17 |
| notmyname | it's just typing, right? | 16:17 |
| asettle | End all manual config | 16:17 |
| AJaeger | notmyname: that would give you one place to have this written and another to just update automatically | 16:17 |
| notmyname | no big deal | 16:17 |
| * asettle pickets | 16:17 | |
| AJaeger | So, my take away is: We remove all swift config options and instead just link to the swift documentation from our config reference. Agreed? | 16:18 |
| notmyname | AJaeger: agreed | 16:19 |
| * asettle slams gavel | 16:19 | |
| AJaeger | slams gavel? Sorry, my English is not that good to understand that ;( | 16:19 |
| notmyname | it's the wooden thing a judge uses | 16:19 |
| notmyname | and also in congress/parliment | 16:20 |
| AJaeger | notmyname: Ah! Cool. Thanks | 16:20 |
| asettle | Hahhaha sorry AJaeger | 16:20 |
| AJaeger | Dear judge, whom to you order to implement the resolution? | 16:20 |
| AJaeger | asettle: I'm happy to learn ;) | 16:20 |
| asettle | Happy to teach you bad English habits :) | 16:21 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 16:21 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 16:21 |
| notmyname | asettle: your australian can hardly be counted as "english" at times ;-) | 16:21 |
| notmyname | (likewise my "american" too I'm sure) | 16:21 |
| asettle | notmyname: hahahah it's getting better! (sorta, not really, maybe?) | 16:21 |
| notmyname | asettle: "bad English habbits" -> she had teatime *before* 3pm!! horror! | 16:22 |
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| * notmyname has no idea when the appropriate tea time is | 16:23 | |
| asettle | Hahhaha. Tea *at* 3 is very important. | 16:23 |
| asettle | (you got it, good job :P) | 16:23 |
| notmyname | scones without clotted cream!!! oh no! | 16:23 |
| notmyname | cricket without tea!!! | 16:23 |
| asettle | Hahhaha okay, clotted cream is funky af | 16:23 |
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| notmyname | you misspelled "delicious" | 16:24 |
| asettle | The word 'clotted' alone tells you all you need to know about the cream :P | 16:24 |
| asettle | Oh no really? Not you notmyname ! | 16:24 |
| notmyname | I had high tea in Bath and it was lovely. (my only real British tea experience) | 16:24 |
| asettle | 3Hahhaa aww, was that with acoles ? | 16:25 |
| notmyname | yep | 16:25 |
| asettle | He would have known what to do | 16:25 |
| AJaeger | scones with clotted cream? Send them over! Now! | 16:25 |
| AJaeger | And make it fast, I like to have warm ones - oven fresh! ;) | 16:25 |
| asettle | Hahha very demanding AJaeger :p | 16:26 |
| asettle | I'll do my best to ship the scones | 16:26 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 16:27 |
| asettle | They might not be warm when they get to you, but I will ship them warm | 16:27 |
| asettle | how does that sound? | 16:27 |
| AJaeger | asettle: my wife still remembers my hand baked scones that I made her 20+ years ago ;) | 16:27 |
| AJaeger | asettle: mmh, let's try ;) | 16:28 |
| asettle | AJaeger: dang she has a good memory. So you cook?! | 16:28 |
| asettle | This is important news | 16:28 |
| AJaeger | asettle: sometimes ;) | 16:28 |
| asettle | HAHA | 16:28 |
| asettle | Excellent! | 16:28 |
| asettle | I assume you'll bring baked goods next time we meet | 16:29 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 16:29 |
| asettle | Hooray! | 16:29 |
| * AJaeger has to prepare dinner at home now - bbl | 16:29 | |
| asettle | Hhahaha o/ adios AJaeger | 16:29 |
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| johnsom | asettle Are you available for a quick chat about admin-guide? | 21:11 |
| johnsom | I will try to catch you tomorrow. | 21:14 |
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| annegentle | johnsom she's likely asleep :) | 21:29 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I couldn't remember timezones for folks. Thanks | 21:29 |
| annegentle | johnsom no worries | 21:29 |
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