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openstackgerrit | lu.li proposed openstack/training-guides master: Update link in README in comments https://review.openstack.org/496078 | 03:21 |
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openstackgerrit | Liang Cui proposed openstack/docs-specs master: modify some misspellings https://review.openstack.org/496119 | 06:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Do not built cs Install Guide https://review.openstack.org/496131 | 07:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/496124 | 07:31 |
openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build additional tr_TR guides https://review.openstack.org/496133 | 07:34 |
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asettle | Morning o/ | 08:26 |
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AJaeger | morning, asettle ! | 08:48 |
asettle | How's it going AJaeger ? :) Anything I should be racing to look at this morning? | 08:48 |
AJaeger | asettle: we need https://review.openstack.org/496131 to merge https://review.openstack.org/496124 , would be nice to review some time | 08:49 |
AJaeger | asettle: but no need for hecting racing ;) | 08:49 |
AJaeger | hectic I meant | 08:49 |
asettle | AJaeger: you oky with a 2a on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496131/ | 08:50 |
AJaeger | sure | 08:50 |
AJaeger | asettle, we need to discuss with dhellmann how to handle 494180 - so, something for later today or the next days... | 08:51 |
asettle | AJaeger: yeah I've got a meeting with him today if you're free to join. We're just going to discuss the release process, and other things that have arisen | 08:51 |
asettle | I'll forward the invite. Let me knwo if you can make it or not. | 08:51 |
AJaeger | ok | 08:52 |
AJaeger | asettle: what time? | 08:52 |
asettle | 1600 UTC - which I know probably doesn't suit you the best | 08:52 |
AJaeger | asettle: might work today - let's see how my day evolves... | 08:53 |
AJaeger | but first writing a lenghty document - bbl | 08:54 |
asettle | AJaeger: np :) just if you have hte time | 08:54 |
asettle | Enjoy! | 08:54 |
AJaeger | thanks | 08:54 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Do not built cs Install Guide https://review.openstack.org/496131 | 08:57 |
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AJaeger | asettle: 16:00 UK time, 15:00 UTC - according to my calendar. Can you confirm, please? | 09:54 |
asettle | AJaeger: you are one hour ahead. That should be 1600 for me, and 1700 for you | 09:55 |
asettle | https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20170822&p1=136&p2=37 | 09:56 |
asettle | (I went with Berlin, because apparently other German cities don't exist) | 09:56 |
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AJaeger | asettle: then we're fine - so 15:00 UTC. You said 16:00 UTC earlier but meant 16:00 London. I'll make it... | 09:57 |
asettle | AJaeger: ah damn, sorry, I automatically added the UTC, shouldn't have | 09:57 |
asettle | 1600 London time | 09:57 |
AJaeger | ;) | 09:57 |
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dhellmann | asettle , AJaeger: o/ | 12:20 |
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asettle | dhellmann: morn! o/ | 12:54 |
pkovar | asettle: hey, can't make the call as I'm out of office today. can we reschedule? | 12:56 |
asettle | pkovar: we can. I think it'd be important for you to be there. Can you do same time tomorrow? dhellmann AJaeger ? | 12:57 |
pkovar | asettle: i can | 12:57 |
asettle | dhellmann and AJaeger - is this okay with you? | 12:57 |
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dhellmann | asettle, pkovar: I could do 1/2 hour later tomorrow | 12:59 |
dhellmann | I know that's pushing it later in the afternoon for both of you | 12:59 |
asettle | Fair. AJaeger ? | 12:59 |
asettle | That's fine for me. | 12:59 |
dhellmann | I could also do 2 hrs earlier | 12:59 |
asettle | Unfortunately I have meetings from 3 - 4pm. So I can do from 4pm onwards | 12:59 |
dhellmann | ok, if 4:30 doesn't work for pkovar we can try something else | 13:00 |
asettle | Cool | 13:02 |
asettle | I will change once all agreed. | 13:02 |
pkovar | asettle: 4:30 works for me | 13:02 |
pkovar | and thanks! | 13:03 |
AJaeger | asettle: I have a tentative appointment at 4:30 London time - if it happens, I need to present | 13:04 |
AJaeger | So, busy from 2:30 London to 5:30 - and then calling it a day. | 13:04 |
AJaeger | Feel free to meet without me | 13:04 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : did you want to chat about the ansible module list issue? | 13:05 |
asettle | AJaeger: okay sure | 13:05 |
dhellmann | we could do that now if you have time | 13:05 |
asettle | AJaeger: invite is sent to you anyway in case you have the time. | 13:05 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yes, let's talk now. | 13:06 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: same issue exists for kolla-kubernetes: I think we only want to redirect them but not show them in an index | 13:06 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : possibly. Is there a complete list of those projects somewhere else? | 13:07 |
AJaeger | For ansible, odyssey4me was suggestion also a separate page for them that they include in their tree. But that's not really feasible AFAIK - agreed? | 13:07 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: we could grep project-config/zuul-layout... | 13:07 |
dhellmann | this is what the "type" field is for | 13:07 |
dhellmann | oh, no, I meant would the user be able to find a list of the modules somewhere | 13:07 |
dhellmann | how would someone answer "what are all of the ansible modules for installing openstack components?" | 13:08 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: let's ask odyssey4me and asettle - I think they currently manually curate that list, correct? | 13:08 |
dhellmann | so we could add a type value for ansible modules, and then use that to treat them specially | 13:08 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yes, would work | 13:08 |
dhellmann | probably with a separate landing page | 13:08 |
asettle | AJaeger: I believe so. Unless odyssey4me has a few tricks up his sleeve | 13:08 |
dhellmann | or by not showing them anywhere, and just allowing the redirects | 13:09 |
odyssey4me | AJaeger yep, currently we manually keep it current - and would prefer not to | 13:09 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : what's involved in keeping it current? | 13:09 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: we can create one index page for you that you can reference | 13:09 |
odyssey4me | AJaeger that would be awesome :) | 13:10 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: it still would need manual updating - this time in openstack-manuals | 13:10 |
odyssey4me | ah | 13:10 |
odyssey4me | well, we could automate it a little I think | 13:10 |
dhellmann | but you'd only need to keep the list of modules current, the links would be updated automatically | 13:10 |
odyssey4me | the automation would involve something along the lines of looking at the current project repo set (in releases or in governance), then compiling the list of repositories, with perhaps adding an exclude list to leave out some repositories which are not appropriate to reference (if need be) | 13:11 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : how often does the list of modules actually change? | 13:12 |
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odyssey4me | dhellmann not too often - usually when a new service is implemented, and sometimes when we factor something out into its own repo or retire an old module | 13:13 |
odyssey4me | so I'd say perhaps up to 5 times a cycle | 13:13 |
odyssey4me | the problem is that it's always forgotten | 13:13 |
odyssey4me | if it was very frequent, that wouldn't happen | 13:13 |
odyssey4me | we can implement the index in our deploy guide through some sort of automation actually | 13:14 |
odyssey4me | I expect we could do something in our doc build automation to make it work | 13:14 |
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dhellmann | do all of the repo names use a common pattern? | 13:14 |
odyssey4me | dhellmann yep - openstack/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-).* | 13:15 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : ok, we could add 1 rule directly to the htaccess file for that then | 13:16 |
odyssey4me | that's the pattern at this time at least | 13:16 |
dhellmann | and you can put the automation for the list of modules in your guide's build | 13:16 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: similar discussion for kuyr, kury-kubernetes, kuryr-libnetwork, kuryr-tempest-plugin - fortunately that list is smaller. Question is should we add them to the main index or not? | 13:16 |
odyssey4me | we currently have this in our guide, which is the bit I'd like to automate: https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/draft/configure.html#advanced-service-configuration | 13:17 |
odyssey4me | but that's something we can handle | 13:17 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yeah, that would work, one big redirect from /developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible... to /$1 | 13:17 |
odyssey4me | I'd rather we didn't spam the main index with all those, although what belongs in the main index is really up to the docs team to decide. I'm just trying not to hog the manuals index with our 40+ repositories. | 13:18 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : I like the idea of establishing a pattern of linking to *a* deployment guide for each tool, dealing with the redirects through a pattern based on the naming convention, and then letting the team deal with the longer lists on their own | 13:18 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : ++ | 13:18 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yes, agreed | 13:18 |
odyssey4me | that may make sense for services and their libraries too I guess | 13:19 |
dhellmann | we may want to revisit the other plugin lists in the same way (baremetal & networking) | 13:19 |
odyssey4me | ah yes, and services with their drivers/plugins/etc | 13:19 |
odyssey4me | otherwise the index page is overwhelming | 13:19 |
dhellmann | perhaps we can put some code in openstackdocstheme to make it easy to build such lists | 13:20 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : so, would you like to propose the patch to openstack-manuals/www/.htaccess to add the redirect rule? | 13:21 |
odyssey4me | dhellmann I can do that, although I may need some help with placement. Would this be derived from AJaeger's current patch? | 13:21 |
dhellmann | let's make it standalone and he can remove the bits related to ansible modules from his | 13:22 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib-guide] Top level edits for new doc team structure https://review.openstack.org/493513 | 13:22 |
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dhellmann | odyssey4me : maybe you could add a stanza somewhere around line 37 of the current file, before "Redirect removed user guide" | 13:23 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: I can abandon my change, after this discussion it's probably not needed anymore as is. Let's do a new one and then I'll revisit mine and decide what to do with it. | 13:23 |
dhellmann | AJaeger, asettle, pkovar: where does the docs team write down policies like what we just decided? | 13:25 |
asettle | dhellmann: probably the contrib guide, tbh. | 13:26 |
dhellmann | ok. who's going to write that patch? | 13:26 |
dhellmann | #writeitdown | 13:27 |
* AJaeger takes that task... | 13:29 | |
dhellmann | AJaeger : thanks! | 13:29 |
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odyssey4me | thanks AJaeger - I'll push a patch shortly | 13:35 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build additional tr_TR guides https://review.openstack.org/496133 | 13:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages https://review.openstack.org/496232 | 13:43 |
AJaeger | first draft ^ | 13:44 |
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odyssey4me | dhellmann AJaeger hang on, isn't the redirect for all /developer docs generic? | 14:00 |
odyssey4me | does this need to be special for OSA? | 14:00 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : we don't have a single redirect for /developer, that's why you're not already seeing redirects working | 14:01 |
dhellmann | we list individual projects by name | 14:01 |
dhellmann | that way we only include redirects for official projects | 14:01 |
odyssey4me | ok, I just though t it might be appropriate for this patch to do a generic one and perhaps negate any URL's that need more special treatment | 14:01 |
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dhellmann | the file you're going to edit is a template that renders out to include individual redirect rules | 14:02 |
dhellmann | so you only need to worry about the ones you actually want to match | 14:02 |
openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location https://review.openstack.org/496240 | 14:04 |
odyssey4me | ^ hope that's right? | 14:04 |
dhellmann | looking | 14:04 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : the $1 is going to just capture the stuff between the (), which won't be the whole URL you need | 14:05 |
odyssey4me | ah | 14:05 |
* odyssey4me forgot his regex momentarily :p | 14:05 | |
dhellmann | I think you want ((ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-).*) | 14:05 |
dhellmann | and $1 should still be right | 14:05 |
dhellmann | oh, no, you need the target to be /$1/latest/ | 14:06 |
dhellmann | maybe the pattern should be (ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]+)/ | 14:07 |
dhellmann | that would be more consistent with the other projects, which only redirect the top-level landing page | 14:07 |
odyssey4me | hmm, well - it's ansible-hardening... or openstack-ansible or openstack-ansible-os_cinder (for example) | 14:08 |
dhellmann | ah | 14:08 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: commented similarly, let me paste here | 14:08 |
AJaeger | That won't redirect properly. what about: | 14:08 |
AJaeger | ^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]*)/ /$1 | 14:08 |
AJaeger | Note this redirects to the index page only. If you want to redirect to same page, you need a second () like: | 14:08 |
AJaeger | ^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]*)/(.*)$ /$1/$2 | 14:08 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: openstack-ansible already redirects, no need to cover that one. | 14:09 |
dhellmann | (ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-?[^/]*)/ | 14:09 |
dhellmann | oh, nevermind then :-) | 14:09 |
odyssey4me | AJaeger yeah, fair enough | 14:09 |
dhellmann | the patterns AJaeger has look good, esp. that 2nd one | 14:09 |
dhellmann | asettle : we need that testing tool. what's your schedule like? :-) | 14:10 |
odyssey4me | ok, I'm trying to understand it though - because it doesn't quite make sense to me - the -[^/]* bit | 14:10 |
asettle | dhellmann: pretty fucking shit, tbh :/ I'm in an intense sprint for the next 2 months | 14:10 |
asettle | I'm sorry :( | 14:10 |
dhellmann | hrm | 14:10 |
dhellmann | odyssey4me : that means - followed by characters other than / so it will only take the project name portion of the path | 14:11 |
dhellmann | ^/developer/(ansible-hardening|openstack-ansible-[^/]+)/(.*)$ /$1/latest/$2 | 14:11 |
AJaeger | odyssey4me: it should match openstack-ansible-cinder in /developer/openstack-ansible-cinder/blabla.html | 14:11 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : we keep leaving out the "latest" in the new path | 14:12 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: indeed ;( | 14:12 |
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odyssey4me | dhellmann ah, makes sense - will update | 14:29 |
openstackgerrit | Jesse Pretorius (odyssey4me) proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location https://review.openstack.org/496240 | 14:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages https://review.openstack.org/496232 | 14:58 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : ironic and ironic-inspector are commented out in the project data | 14:58 |
AJaeger | asettle: thanks for review - I only addressed your "," but not the rest, see my comments | 14:58 |
dhellmann | we need to update that file | 14:59 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: ah, ok | 14:59 |
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dhellmann | I was going to mention that to asettle and pkovar as one of the remaining release tasks when we talk about those | 14:59 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yeah, good! | 15:00 |
AJaeger | btw. should docs.o.o really redirect to https://docs.openstack.org/pike/ - and not to ocata? PIke isn't released yet | 15:01 |
dhellmann | well, someone approved my patch to change the release status while I was out last week :-) | 15:02 |
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AJaeger | oh, might have been me? That explains it ;( wasn't aware of the side effect ;( | 15:03 |
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dhellmann | I don't think it's a big deal | 15:07 |
dhellmann | I actually designed the system with the idea that docs.o.o might be updated around the time we branch to cut down on the pressure of coordinating with the release team on the final date | 15:08 |
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asettle | Sorry dhellmann what was up? | 15:30 |
asettle | Afternoon meeting ahoy | 15:30 |
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dhellmann | asettle : I'm not sure any more. Mustn't have been too important. | 15:30 |
asettle | Hahhahaha okay rad | 15:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OSA redirects to new docs location https://review.openstack.org/496240 | 16:43 |
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aspiers | hrm, where can I find the zuul docs now? I'm stupid, so I can't figure it out from http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html | 16:54 |
aspiers | https://docs.openstack.org/zuul/latest is a 404 | 16:54 |
AJaeger | aspiers: check https://docs.openstack.org/infra/ | 16:55 |
aspiers | AJaeger: I did | 16:56 |
AJaeger | aspiers: they did not move at all... | 16:56 |
aspiers | AJaeger: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/genindex.html | 16:56 |
aspiers | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/ | 16:56 |
aspiers | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/gating.html | 16:56 |
aspiers | I beg to differ | 16:56 |
AJaeger | aspiers: ah, those - best ask on #openstack-infra, the zuul team screwed up with publishing... | 16:57 |
AJaeger | we need to merge a simple patch to zuul to restore content AFAIU | 16:57 |
AJaeger | aspiers: I asked on #openstack-infra | 16:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Add kolla and kuryr projects https://review.openstack.org/496316 | 17:02 |
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AJaeger | dhellmann: please review https://review.openstack.org/496321 | 17:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Add puppet-openstack-guide as deployment project https://review.openstack.org/496328 | 17:24 |
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AJaeger | dhellmann: I think something is wrong with projects that have no stable branches. For example reno shows up at https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/projects.html but the link gives a 404 - and reno is not on the pike page. What should we do with these kind of projects like reno or openstackdocstheme that have no stable branches? | 17:48 |
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dhellmann | AJaeger : hrm. maybe we should always link those to latest? | 17:59 |
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dhellmann | oh, that ocata page is built by hand, isn't it | 17:59 |
dhellmann | that's why the link checker didn't catch that | 17:59 |
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AJaeger | dhellmann: that would explain it. And yes, I think we need an option to mark repos as "master-only" and add them to all index pages. So, I would add to "master.yaml" and then merge the content for each release so that we only maintain this once. what do you think? Might be a job for somebody to learn the tools? | 18:01 |
dhellmann | AJaeger: yeah, I agree we need to solve it. Let's find an author and then we can figure out a solution. | 18:03 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : another solution might be to have 1 page that shows those master-only projects and link to it from the index pages | 18:04 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: yeah, could work as well, needs clear checking of headings. We have tools that have stable branches and others not etc. | 18:05 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: how do you want to continue here? | 18:06 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : I think for now we should add it to the backlog | 18:07 |
dhellmann | and then patch that ocata page to fix it | 18:07 |
dhellmann | it will mean leaving reno off of the pike page, but it's listed on the queens page so that's ok | 18:08 |
AJaeger | but people might not find the queens page quickly - but yeah, let's add to the backlog... | 18:09 |
dhellmann | AJaeger: we could put out a call for help on the dev list | 18:10 |
dhellmann | try to find a volunteer to work on it sooner | 18:11 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: add a comment on line 156 | 18:12 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: if you want to find a volunteer, feel free to ask - but this can wait a few days as well... I won't write anymore emails today ;) | 18:13 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : ok | 18:14 |
dhellmann | AJaeger : line 156 of which patch? sorry, doing 3 things at once... | 18:14 |
AJaeger | dhellmann: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems | 18:14 |
dhellmann | ah | 18:14 |
AJaeger | thanks for cleaning up after me ;) | 18:15 |
* AJaeger waves good bye for tonight | 18:16 | |
dhellmann | AJaeger : o/ | 18:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding [management] tag https://review.openstack.org/496425 | 21:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contributor] Document index pages https://review.openstack.org/496232 | 23:20 |
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