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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/523772 | 09:12 |
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jungleboyj | pkovar: FYI, the team meeting conflicts with the Cinder team meeting. Will try to keep an eye here too though. | 15:21 |
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pkovar | jungleboyj: yeah, i've seen it in the calendar. unfortunately it was the only time slot that worked for China | 15:22 |
jungleboyj | pkovar: Understood. The good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one. :-) | 15:23 |
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pkovar | all: docs mtg starts in 10 mins in this channel | 15:49 |
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eumel8 | o/ | 15:59 |
jungleboyj | o/ Watching from one eye. | 15:59 |
pkovar | almost there... | 16:00 |
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pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 29 16:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:00 |
pkovar | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
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pkovar | o/ | 16:00 |
pkovar | \o | 16:00 |
pkovar | \o/ | 16:01 |
jamesmcarthur | \o | 16:01 |
eumel8 | \o/ | 16:01 |
jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
pkovar | meeting agenda available at the usual location at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 16:01 |
pkovar | let's wait for a few more mins | 16:03 |
chason | o/ | 16:03 |
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pkovar | okay, first item | 16:05 |
pkovar | #topic Docs team vision document | 16:05 |
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pkovar | #info Merged | 16:05 |
pkovar | #link https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/team-vision.html | 16:05 |
pkovar | i think we haven't had a mtg for a while, so just fyi | 16:05 |
pkovar | thanks again to everybody who helped with contributing to the vision doc! | 16:06 |
jungleboyj | That is good news. :-) | 16:06 |
pkovar | we merged this right before the summit, actually | 16:06 |
pkovar | #topic Docs retention policy changes | 16:07 |
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pkovar | #info WIP | 16:07 |
pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521961/ | 16:07 |
pkovar | mitaka content is back | 16:07 |
pkovar | as you can see: https://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/ | 16:08 |
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pkovar | also, links to mitaka guides got fixed yesterday | 16:08 |
pkovar | thanks again, team | 16:08 |
jamesmcarthur | hooray! | 16:09 |
pkovar | now, we need to work on the ocata part | 16:09 |
pkovar | stable/ocata branch, that is | 16:09 |
pkovar | as per http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/queens/retention-policy.html#work-items | 16:09 |
pkovar | "Update the stable/ocata branch of openstack/openstack-manuals to build the admin, CLI, and user guides using series-specific URLs. (owner needed)" | 16:09 |
pkovar | someone eager enough to give it a try (ie. own it)? | 16:10 |
pkovar | please let me know or just go ahead and submit a patch, otherwise i will take it :) | 16:11 |
eumel8 | btw: we restore also language specific landing pages? like https://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/de/ | 16:11 |
pkovar | (later this week) | 16:11 |
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pkovar | eumel8: looks like we don't mention it in the spec | 16:12 |
pkovar | eumel8: is that something the i18n team wants to restore? | 16:12 |
eumel8 | mhm, I will check this later and ask the language teams about the opinions | 16:12 |
pkovar | ok, thanks eumel8 | 16:12 |
jamesmcarthur | It seems like it would be good to have the language versions restored as well. | 16:13 |
pkovar | #action eumel8 to ask the language teams about restoring language landing pages | 16:13 |
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pkovar | yes, though i think we would need a new owner for those patches | 16:13 |
pkovar | ie. a volunteer :) | 16:14 |
pkovar | #info Flagging deprecated releases | 16:15 |
pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123381.html | 16:15 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: do you know if there is an update? | 16:15 |
jamesmcarthur | Yes, that's me. I'm sorry to say I haven't made any progress. It is high on my list, but I have been buried with other Foundation work. | 16:15 |
jamesmcarthur | I'd like to have a patch ready for review within the next few weeks. | 16:16 |
pkovar | help needed? or are we clear on what is the next step/deliverable? (hate that word) | 16:16 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: sounds good thanks! | 16:16 |
jamesmcarthur | Doug has already volunteered to answer any questions for me when the time comes. | 16:17 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: do we plan to flag all content, not just deprecated releases? | 16:17 |
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jamesmcarthur | I have the HTML and CSS ready, just need to get the patch in. | 16:17 |
eumel8 | we don't use watermarks? | 16:17 |
pkovar | #info jamesmcarthur to work on patch, dhellmann to help with Q's. | 16:17 |
jamesmcarthur | pkovar: i thought the request was just for all docs pertaining to a depreacted release | 16:18 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: correct | 16:18 |
jamesmcarthur | deprecated, sorry | 16:18 |
pkovar | flagging all releases was just an idea in the thread i think | 16:18 |
jamesmcarthur | eumel8: that's another option | 16:18 |
jamesmcarthur | the idea was to do something a bit more "in your face" so people could tell from the get go that the contnet was bad | 16:19 |
pkovar | we can iterate i think :) | 16:19 |
eumel8 | saw this in project doc like https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/ | 16:19 |
eumel8 | yeah, a red banner is more visible | 16:19 |
pkovar | yeah, like a flow banner | 16:19 |
eumel8 | k | 16:19 |
jamesmcarthur | eumel8: probably wouldn't hurt to do both, in the event someone prints it out | 16:20 |
pkovar | so that ppl see it even when following deep links | 16:20 |
jamesmcarthur | though... do people really print things out anymore? | 16:20 |
pkovar | hard to say but we do provide pdfs | 16:20 |
pkovar | for core suite, that is | 16:20 |
jamesmcarthur | pkovar: ok, good to know | 16:21 |
pkovar | ianychoi worked on spec to provide pdfs build for more content, btw | 16:21 |
jamesmcarthur | pkovar: perhaps a subtle watermark is a good idea as well (possibly a separate patch) | 16:22 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: yeah, would do it as a separate patch | 16:22 |
eumel8 | pdf spec: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 16:24 |
pkovar | #chair eumel8 | 16:24 |
openstack | Current chairs: eumel8 pkovar | 16:24 |
pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 16:24 |
pkovar | #info pdf spec ^ | 16:24 |
pkovar | #info think about providing a watermark too, possibly as a separate patch. good for pdfs | 16:25 |
pkovar | next topic? | 16:25 |
eumel8 | yes, pls | 16:26 |
pkovar | mostly as a retrospective | 16:26 |
pkovar | #topic OpenStack Summit Sydney | 16:26 |
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pkovar | #info Summary of docs sessions posted | 16:26 |
pkovar | #link https://www.rdoproject.org/blog/2017/11/summary-openstack-summit-docs-sessions/ | 16:26 |
pkovar | for those who attended the summit, let me know if i missed anything | 16:26 |
pkovar | #topic Rocky PTG | 16:27 |
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* dhellmann arrives late | 16:27 | |
pkovar | #info Planning etherpad for docs+i18n created | 16:27 |
pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-rocky | 16:27 |
pkovar | thanks goes to eumel8 | 16:28 |
eumel8 | great stuff from Sydney, thx for sharing | 16:28 |
pkovar | a Q for all of you | 16:28 |
pkovar | #info Parcel time into small chunks or have full-day focus on one team agenda? | 16:28 |
pkovar | this is from the recent -dev ML thread | 16:28 |
pkovar | what do people prefer? | 16:28 |
pkovar | or let me rephrase the Q, did the denver schedule work for us? | 16:29 |
eumel8 | depends on the topics | 16:30 |
dhellmann | when is the docs team being given time to meet? on the theme days or the team days? | 16:30 |
pkovar | dhellmann: i asked for two days, but didn't specify it yet | 16:30 |
dhellmann | ok | 16:30 |
pkovar | hoping it works for i18n, eumel8? | 16:31 |
pkovar | or do we need more? | 16:31 |
dhellmann | I'd personally prefer those be on the team days | 16:31 |
dhellmann | we may need a list of topics before we know how long we'll need :-) | 16:31 |
eumel8 | pkovar: you already answered the survey from Kendall? | 16:31 |
pkovar | good point, let's start gathering feedback | 16:31 |
pkovar | eumel8: yes, then realized you might as well :) | 16:32 |
eumel8 | the first question was, how many people will be there and I think docs team and I18n are together as usualy | 16:32 |
pkovar | eumel8: yes, so i just recycled numbers from denver | 16:33 |
pkovar | i think it's really hard to estimate at this point | 16:33 |
eumel8 | pkovar: I would mention that fact ;) read the email just now and will fill out the form later | 16:33 |
pkovar | eumel8: cool | 16:33 |
eumel8 | pkovar: I would say first of all: we're there! with 8-12 people | 16:34 |
pkovar | eumel8: let's agree to start soliciting feedback on agenda now :) | 16:34 |
pkovar | eumel8: 8-12 people sounds good | 16:34 |
pkovar | #info for PTG, two days planned, ca. 8-12 people | 16:35 |
pkovar | eumel8: what's the preference wrt team days? | 16:35 |
pkovar | i am fine with what dhellmann suggests | 16:36 |
pkovar | that is, team days | 16:36 |
eumel8 | sure | 16:36 |
pkovar | any objections? | 16:36 |
pkovar | #action send an email to start gathering input wrt ptg agenda | 16:36 |
pkovar | eumel8: do you want to send a separate email for i18n? | 16:37 |
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pkovar | and keep agenda separate? (in the same etherpad) | 16:37 |
pkovar | we will need to work on the schedule later anyway | 16:38 |
pkovar | so this would be for the initial phase | 16:38 |
pkovar | only | 16:38 |
jungleboyj | I am planning to be at the PTG. | 16:38 |
eumel8 | pkovar: you can send an email for both teams to openstack-dev, I will separate send a message to openstack-i18n | 16:38 |
eumel8 | with a reference | 16:38 |
pkovar | jungleboyj: any preferences wrt meeting during team days (or not)? | 16:38 |
pkovar | eumel8: cool | 16:38 |
jungleboyj | Well, I will be busy in the Cinder meetings on Wednesday - Friday. :-) | 16:39 |
pkovar | #action pkovar to send an email for both teams to openstack-dev | 16:39 |
pkovar | right | 16:39 |
eumel8 | thx | 16:39 |
pkovar | same might apply for other people | 16:39 |
jungleboyj | pkovar: ++ | 16:40 |
dhellmann | don't let my preference count as more than one; if lots more people are available on the theme days then we should meet then | 16:40 |
eumel8 | ++ | 16:41 |
chason | ++ | 16:41 |
pkovar | so when getting input, let's also ask people to sign up and share their day and time preferences | 16:41 |
pkovar | then we can decide on the team's preference | 16:41 |
pkovar | sounds good? | 16:42 |
eumel8 | yeah | 16:42 |
pkovar | any nay's ? :) | 16:42 |
dhellmann | sounds good | 16:42 |
pkovar | #action when getting input, let's also ask people to sign up and share their day and time preferences | 16:42 |
jungleboyj | Yay! | 16:42 |
pkovar | good good | 16:43 |
pkovar | anything else for ptg? | 16:43 |
eumel8 | not yet :) | 16:43 |
pkovar | hehe, right! lost of planning ahead | 16:44 |
pkovar | lots, rather! | 16:44 |
eumel8 | but time flies.. | 16:44 |
pkovar | i know, vacation, company shutdowns. we need to start now | 16:44 |
pkovar | next topic... | 16:45 |
pkovar | #topic closing openstack-docs mailing list | 16:45 |
*** openstack changes topic to "closing openstack-docs mailing list (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:45 | |
pkovar | i plan to close the list for new mail and subscribers tomorrow | 16:46 |
pkovar | any objections? | 16:46 |
pkovar | the plan to close soon was announced | 16:46 |
pkovar | so i think we are good to go | 16:46 |
eumel8 | ok | 16:46 |
pkovar | the reason is we want to have a single place to discuss [docs] topics | 16:47 |
pkovar | though we should all agree to use the same tag for docs conversatiosn | 16:47 |
pkovar | conversations, even | 16:47 |
pkovar | i sometimes forget and use [doc] | 16:47 |
pkovar | hope it doesn't break too many filters | 16:48 |
eumel8 | auto-correct ;) | 16:48 |
pkovar | too fancy for my ancient mail client! | 16:48 |
eumel8 | welcome to the 90ies ;) | 16:49 |
pkovar | #action close the list for new mail and subscribers tomorrow | 16:49 |
pkovar | there has been almost no traffic recently so hopefully not many people will complain | 16:50 |
pkovar | #topic Branches vs everything in master | 16:51 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Branches vs everything in master (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:51 | |
pkovar | this is mostly about installation guide common content restructure | 16:51 |
pkovar | Common Install Guide content should be branched/split up per-release? | 16:51 |
pkovar | any preferences? | 16:51 |
pkovar | we can discuss later, not a prio for this week i think | 16:52 |
pkovar | #topic sitemap automation suggestions | 16:52 |
*** openstack changes topic to "sitemap automation suggestions (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:52 | |
pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123228.html | 16:52 |
pkovar | jamesmcarthur: not sure if you know about any updates there? | 16:53 |
pkovar | feedback was requested a while ago | 16:53 |
pkovar | also about the scope of content | 16:53 |
pkovar | any new input on this? | 16:53 |
dhellmann | we had a discussion about that last week | 16:54 |
* dhellmann hunts for the irc nic | 16:54 | |
jamesmcarthur | pkovar: yes, mguiney is working on this | 16:55 |
dhellmann | there we go | 16:55 |
dhellmann | sorry, mguiney | 16:55 |
jamesmcarthur | :) | 16:55 |
pkovar | #action mguiney working on this | 16:55 |
pkovar | heh | 16:55 |
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pkovar | okay, thanks | 16:57 |
pkovar | 3 mins | 16:57 |
pkovar | so just for fyi items | 16:57 |
pkovar | s/so just for fyi items/so just fyi items/ | 16:57 |
pkovar | #topic Bug Triage Team | 16:57 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage Team (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:57 | |
pkovar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 16:57 |
pkovar | thanks, chason and eumel8 for your help with bug triage! | 16:58 |
chason | np :D | 16:58 |
eumel8 | yeah, at your service :) | 16:58 |
pkovar | others, please consider joining the fun | 16:58 |
pkovar | is ianychoi around? | 16:59 |
pkovar | we can discuss topic PDF builds later | 16:59 |
pkovar | one min! | 16:59 |
mguiney | o/ | 16:59 |
pkovar | #topic Open discussion | 16:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:59 | |
eumel8 | maybe too late for him | 16:59 |
pkovar | eumel8: yeah :( | 17:00 |
eumel8 | I think the proposal needs more review from other people: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 17:00 |
pkovar | #topic PDF builds | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "PDF builds (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 17:00 | |
pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 17:01 |
eumel8 | also what AJaeger wrote | 17:01 |
pkovar | #info the proposal needs more review from other people | 17:01 |
pkovar | good, let's close the mtg now and then we can continue in the channel | 17:01 |
pkovar | thanks everybody | 17:01 |
jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:01 |
eumel8 | thx pkovar | 17:01 |
pkovar | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Rocking the OpenStack docs since 2010. Read the docs: http://docs.openstack.org | Write the docs: http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/HowTo | Review the docs: http://is.gd/openstackdocreview" | 17:01 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 29 17:01:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-29-16.00.html | 17:01 |
chason | Thanks pkovar | 17:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-29-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-29-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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eumel8 | pkovar: there are some wiki pages where openstack-docs ml is mentioned to join conversation: https://www.google.com/search?q="openstack-docs%40lists.openstack.org"++site%3Awiki.openstack.org | 17:11 |
eumel8 | may you want to update this sites... | 17:11 |
pkovar | eumel8: thanks for pointing those out | 17:11 |
pkovar | definitely an action item list for me for tmrw | 17:12 |
pkovar | there are some occurrences on docs.openstack.org too | 17:13 |
pkovar | though mostly for eol content | 17:14 |
pkovar | shouldn't be too much work | 17:14 |
eumel8 | k | 17:14 |
eumel8 | I can help if you have a standard text or template | 17:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-doc-tools master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/523772 | 19:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/contributor-guide master: Add #openstack-dev mention and channel list https://review.openstack.org/523236 | 19:51 |
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