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| diablo_rojo | So... Should probably get a move on wrt the election. I think we are behind or close to being behind, but I can't help because I want to run for the TC again... | 17:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | I am happy to get the dates added to the release calendar. | 17:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure what else I can do to help. | 17:49 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: that's a huge enough help. i don't plan to run for tc unless we're short on seats... though it would also be good to confirm with the sitting tc as to what the target number of seats should be | 17:50 |
| fungi | that's something you're well-placed to help with | 17:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought the decision was passed and we were stepping down by 2 again?> | 17:51 |
| fungi | there are currently 11 tc members, but the outset of the shrinkage discussion was that there should eventually be 9 | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I was pretty sure it was set that the next two elections (one having passed now) were going to be shrunk by 2 | 17:51 |
| fungi | yep, that was a decision made by the prior tc, at a minimum we want a pointer to that decision and confirmation that the current tc agrees | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah alright. I can bring that up during the next office hour. | 17:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Which reminds me that I need to update my calendar with those new office hours. | 17:52 |
| fungi | tacit assent by not retracting the prior ruling is probably fine too, as long as we have some indication they've been reminded this is the plan | 17:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe I will make a ML thread just to get things moving today rather than waiting. | 17:53 |
| fungi | thanks diablo_rojo, that sounds perfect! | 17:53 |
| fungi | i agree we should not delay | 17:53 |
| diablo_rojo | I should also put up a patch to remove myself as an official. | 17:53 |
| fungi | yup, i'll review that asap | 17:54 |
| fungi | i don't have any intention of running for a tc seat unless we're short on candidates | 17:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Remove Kendall Nelson as Election Offical https://review.opendev.org/751873 | 17:55 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, ^ | 17:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Volunteer fungi as an official https://review.opendev.org/751874 | 17:59 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: ^ we have a merge conflict already! | 17:59 |
| fungi | what order do we want those sequenced in? | 17:59 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, I guess we add you and then remove me? | 18:06 |
| fungi | oh, great idea. you can vote in favor of my addition, which then makes it possible for me to vote in favor of your removal | 18:09 |
| fungi | want to rebase your removal on 751874 then? | 18:10 |
| diablo_rojo | That was indeed my thought. | 18:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Sure :) | 18:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, reviewed :) and +2 +W ed | 18:13 |
| fungi | thanks, that works too | 18:13 |
| fungi | you're still going to want to rebase yours once that merges, obviously | 18:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep. | 18:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm guessing it won't take long to merge. | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Volunteer fungi as an official https://review.opendev.org/751874 | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/election master: Remove Kendall Nelson as Election Offical https://review.opendev.org/751873 | 18:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Should be good to go fungi ^ | 18:24 |
| fungi | thanks! | 18:27 |
| fungi | i think i still have lingering +2, let's find out | 18:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/election master: Remove Kendall Nelson as Election Offical https://review.opendev.org/751873 | 18:42 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: ^ congrats! | 18:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks! | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, if you want to propose the configuration change with the dates, I can make the dependent patch to get it on the release schedule | 19:50 |
| fungi | sure, i don't suppose we've come up with dates yet | 19:50 |
| fungi | i'll see what recommendation our scripted overlords come up with | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I thought tonyb had run the script a while back but because this channel is publicly logged it might be hard to find his paste. | 20:20 |
| fungi | oh, maybe. i ran it a few minutes ago (after hunting in the readme for a bit), but haven't looked through the results yet | 20:22 |
| fungi | hrm, no matches for "setup-election-config" in my client log of this channel (which is basically as old as the channel itself) | 21:02 |
| fungi | i can see that i likely need to specify --tc-seats 4 | 21:02 |
| fungi | but also a "date" and a "release" as well as TC or PTL | 21:03 |
| fungi | maybe the invocation was quoted in an earlier setup commit. i'll dig | 21:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I can see if I have a paste somewhere of an old run of it to see how to setup the args | 21:46 |
| fungi | i got roped into cooking second dinner, but will try to dig back into it shortly | 21:48 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, no worries :) What was first dinner? | 21:48 |
| fungi | charcoal-grilled uncured beef franks | 21:50 |
| fungi | though it was probably closer to lunch | 21:51 |
| fungi | and breakfast was really just some coffee | 21:51 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, looks like this: tox -e venv setup-election-config -- 2020-06-08 | 21:51 |
| diablo_rojo | v-release TC ; tox -e venv setup-election-config -- 2020-05-13 v-release | 21:51 |
| diablo_rojo | PTL | 21:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Oof awful line breaks | 21:51 |
| fungi | so is 2020-06-08 a date we guess? i thought we had a script to suggest an election schedule based on the release date | 21:51 |
| fungi | that's where i'm getting confused, i expect | 21:52 |
| diablo_rojo | I had breakfast at like.. 10:30 so I havent had lunch yet. Shortly will make a salad or something. | 21:52 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, thats the date of when the Summit was gonna be I think? | 21:52 |
| fungi | ahh | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Or the date of the release? | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | One of the two | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | But I think it was the summit | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | or going to be | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | but then it was opendev | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | and then opendev went virtual | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | and all the other garbage that ensued. | 21:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Perhaps if tonyb wakes up/is online he can enlighten us. To which I will immediately document in the readme. | 21:55 |
| fungi | yeah, that's where i looked first, just assuming it was there | 22:04 |
| fungi | because we've got so much else documented at this point | 22:04 |
| fungi | and yeah, no example invocations for setup-election-config in commit messages. closest we came is andy's commit to expand the --help for it | 22:20 |
| fungi | which says "Given a summit or release date pick some dates for the election" | 22:20 |
| fungi | is it a summit date, or a release date, or does it matter? maybe it doesn't matter which it si | 22:21 |
| fungi | is | 22:21 |
| fungi | summits matter less and less now that we don't have them at the same cadence as elections | 22:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it mattered based on which election. TC is based on the event. PTL is based on release | 22:25 |
| diablo_rojo | but for combined... I guess its based on whichever date is sooner? | 22:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Which would be the release> | 22:26 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 22:26 |
| fungi | yeah, maybe | 22:27 |
| diablo_rojo | We don't have a hard and fast rule for combined, but I would think the sooner date is what we would want to base it off of | 22:28 |
| fungi | tc is every 6 months within the margin of error allowed by the current bylaws | 22:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Right. | 22:28 |
| fungi | ptl is ~tied to rc1 | 22:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah. | 22:29 |
| diablo_rojo | That sounds right. | 22:29 |
| fungi | idea being the incoming ptl should be responsible for planning the next release, so before ptg and before master branches | 22:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that logic is still solid to me | 22:30 |
| fungi | victoria rc1 week is 2020-09-21 | 22:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Holy crap thats soon | 22:31 |
| fungi | that's... next week | 22:31 |
| diablo_rojo | LOL | 22:32 |
| diablo_rojo | a bit late on the elections then. Wont be able to finish polling by then. Let alone gathering candidates. | 22:32 |
| fungi | so maybe the election schedule is "asap" right | 22:32 |
| fungi | i'll see what date could work | 22:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I wondered if we were getting to be..too close.. | 22:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Sorry I didn't say anything sooner. | 22:35 |
| fungi | not your fault, don't apologize | 22:39 |
| fungi | Summit is at: 2020-10-26 | 22:40 |
| fungi | Latest possible completion is at: 2020-09-14 | 22:40 |
| fungi | heh, nope | 22:40 |
| fungi | i'll play with fake summit dates | 22:40 |
| fungi | fake summit date of 2020-11-23 gives us nominations starting tomorrow | 22:42 |
| fungi | with elections 2020-09-29 through 2020-10-06 | 22:42 |
| fungi | what do you think... too soon? push out out another week? | 22:42 |
| fungi | basically that's the soonest we could swing it, but that's not much notice, puts elections finishing during final rc week for victoria | 22:44 |
| fungi | if we push it a week out from that, then elections are concluding on release week | 22:44 |
| fungi | pushing it out two weeks means elections conclude during summit week | 22:45 |
| fungi | i'm inclined to say elections concluding at the start of final rc week is the least of the available evils | 22:45 |
| fungi | concluding during release week wouldn't be too terrible though i guess, and would give people more than a week to decide whether they're running | 22:46 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: ianychoi: tonyb: upon reflection and given the available options, a schedule with nominations starting tomorrow (or today for those of you where it is already tuesday) is perhaps too little notice. starting a week out puts the elections concluding at the start of release week, but perhaps that's okay? | 22:54 |
| fungi | i'm going to push a change proposing that | 22:54 |
| fungi | parented on a fix to the --tc-seats option for our new shrinking tc | 22:55 |
| diablo_rojo | I think thats okay. | 23:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Better than starting the nominations tomorrow. | 23:02 |
| diablo_rojo | But I guess the week out election season email needs to go out asap then | 23:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: The incredible shrinking TC https://review.opendev.org/751921 | 23:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Set up config for Wallaby elections https://review.opendev.org/751922 | 23:09 |
| fungi | yeah, i figure if we get that merged tomorrow we'll send the "week out" e-mail as soon as it lands | 23:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I should probably drop +2 power. | 23:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Right? | 23:25 |
| fungi | yeah | 23:25 |
| fungi | you can remove yourself from the gerrit group, or just not +2 stuff on the repo | 23:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll just not +2 so we don't need to do the back and forth every other election | 23:26 |
| fungi | wfm | 23:27 |
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