| ianychoi | I need to focus on usual work from now and will back after around 12 hours. Let's double-check the related steps by reviewing https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/TC_PTL_Elections2026.1Gazpacho#L108 | 00:02 |
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| gouthamr | ++ ty | 00:06 |
| slaweq | thx ianychoi for sending emails | 07:26 |
| slaweq | now we need to prepare for the election and, according to the https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/TC_PTL_Elections2026.1Gazpacho#L85 first thing we need to do is to agree on git SHA and gouthamr to propose tag in openstack/releases repo, right? | 07:27 |
| frickler | well anyone can propose the release change, but likely gouthamr should +1 it before it can get merged | 07:47 |
| frickler | since nothing has merged in governance for a week, I think be482953d3dd650ca3128fd0b445664e6dd12195 should be a clear choice for everyone | 07:49 |
| frickler | slaweq: "new-release _independent openstack-governance feature" would generate the patch, if you want to do that | 07:52 |
| frickler | fungi: the copy of the campaigning email I received via the ML only had 3 CCs instead of all 6 in the direct mail, is that a function of the list software? it might be considered as unfair by the dropped candidates, if so, it might be better to avoid the CCs in the future | 12:07 |
| ianychoi | I didn’t know the limitations of mailing list software for cc functionality- thanks for sharing frickler | 13:27 |
| fungi | frickler: it's a per-subscriber setting whether you want your address removed from or included in cc | 13:46 |
| fungi | i think it's the "Receive list copies (possible duplicates)" setting that strips them by default if the addresses are subscribed to the list already | 13:48 |
| fungi | i'll have to look at the exact case in question, will hopefully get to it in as bit. lots of pings this morning i haven't waded through yet | 13:50 |
| fungi | i don't personally remember cc'ing individuals when i was an election official though. sending only to the mailing list helps encourage people to subscribe and participate there. i wouldn't want them to get used to and start assuming people will always reach out to them directly | 13:51 |
| fungi | then when people would come to me and ask why they didn't see something, i'd remind them that it went to the mailing list and they should subscribe if they haven't already | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | slaweq gouthamr : I have proposed two patches on releases repo: 1. governance tag https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/958221 and 2. dates on releases.openstack.org https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/948494 | 15:52 |
| ianychoi | Oops the later one is https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/958225 | 15:53 |
| fungi | frickler: sorry for the delay, but i looked into it and yes it does seem to be intentional behavior in mailman. the three cc addresses which were omitted are subscribed to the list with delivery enabled and receive list copies disabled. the three cc addresses which were left intact in the header either weren't subscribed, or had delivery disabled and/or receive list copies | 16:17 |
| fungi | enabled | 16:17 |
| fungi | so basically this behavior is determined by each subscriber's settings | 16:17 |
| frickler | fungi: thanks for checking. I think that's a good reason to try to omit these CCs in the future, together with your earlier arguments | 16:18 |
| fungi | yeah, in short, mailman tries to trim the to/cc lists in order to avoid users getting extra copies of messages when they have indicated they don't want them | 16:19 |
| frickler | (and yes, I can confirm that I have delivery disabled for my primary account, I'm reading with a different one and only subscribed this one in order to be able to submit with it without getting moderated) | 16:20 |
| fungi | also if the list of additional addresses grows too long, mailman will hold the message for moderation | 16:20 |
| fungi | in the case of openstack-discuss that's using mailman's default filter of 10 addresses | 16:21 |
| fungi | "If a post has this many or more explicit recipients (To: and Cc:), the post will be held for moderation." | 16:22 |
| frickler | this is getting a bit offtopic here, but 10 sounds rather high to me, we might consider reducing it. although I also don't necessarily want to increase the moderation work for you | 16:23 |
| fungi | it's been an okay balance. some people tend to reply-to-all when they respond to list messages, and so wind up including addresses of other respondents in cc which can tend to build up over the course of a long discussion based on how many get culled by the subscriber settings | 16:25 |
| fungi | and these days we really shouldn't get spam through to the list anyway unless a spammer spoof's the address of a list subscriber. we now auto-filter new users straight to the moderator queue and then conditionally switch their message acceptance if they've been sending legitimate posts | 16:26 |
| fungi | s/spoof's/spoofs/ | 16:26 |
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