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| pfreund | http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-France/events/219689511/ | 08:47 |
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| pfreund | Les inscriptions sont ouvertes ! venez nombreux | 08:47 |
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| *** Adri2000 changes topic to "Bienvenue sur le chan francophone OpenStack :) | http://openstack.fr/ | openstack-fr@lists.openstack.org | @openstackfr (Touitteur) | L'asso : https://asso.openstack.fr/ | Prochain meetup Parisien le 20 janvier http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-France/events/219689511/, FOSDEM à Bruxelles les 31 janv. et 1 févr." | 09:03 | |
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| pilgrimstack | une troisième conf est prévue ? | 09:24 |
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| pfreund | pilgrimstack: on cherche | 09:48 |
| pfreund | on cherche un sponsor aussi | 09:48 |
| pfreund | pilgrimstack: est-ce que OVH serait interessé ? | 09:49 |
| pilgrimstack | Sponso pour la cocke et les …. pizza de fin de session ? | 11:10 |
| pfreund | pilgrimstack: oui | 11:11 |
| pfreund | comme en septembre | 11:11 |
| pfreund | avec les 5 minutes en plus commercial | 11:12 |
| pfreund | et surtout l'immense privilège de sponsoriser un evenement OpenStack-fr ! | 11:12 |
| pfreund | c'est la classe. | 11:12 |
| pfreund | La nourriture et boisson sont gérés par le Numa | 11:12 |
| pfreund | je pourrai te donner une estimation | 11:13 |
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| Adri2000 | egallen: je suis déçu tu n'es pas sur http://www.openstack.org/election/2015-individual-director-election/CandidateList/ | 13:46 |
| egallen | Je ne vois pas non plus Adri2000 | 13:46 |
| Adri2000 | c'est moins décevant ;) | 13:47 |
| egallen | Prochaine fois je ferai la rédaction | 13:48 |
| number80 | Adri2000, egallen: partant pour une French Cabal ? | 13:48 |
| bauzas | tout tant que Adam Lawson ne devienne pas un Individual Member... | 13:51 |
| bauzas | ca a été facile de voter cette année tiens | 13:51 |
| number80 | bauzas: saiki ? | 14:12 |
| number80 | bauzas: je trouve que ça manque d'infos | 14:13 |
| bauzas | number80: disons pour rester politiquement corrects que c'est une sangsue | 14:14 |
| number80 | les infos fournies te donne très peu d'indication sur leur plateforme | 14:14 |
| number80 | bauzas: ok | 14:14 |
| number80 | bon à savoir | 14:14 |
| bauzas | en gros, il buzze enormément mais à part ça... | 14:14 |
| number80 | perso, à part Fontana dont je connais la plateforme (se débarrasser du CLA), après, c'est un peu le popularity contest | 14:15 |
| bauzas | et comme il tient une boite de consulting, oh tiens ca lui fait du pognon ? | 14:15 |
| number80 | haha | 14:15 |
| bauzas | bah le plus important c'est surtout les 3 amendements | 14:15 |
| number80 | mouais | 14:16 |
| number80 | le 3ème me plait pas trop | 14:16 |
| bauzas | après, je mène l'hallali juste parce que je trouve que ledit nommé plus haut, c'est surtout une histoire de gros sous | 14:16 |
| bauzas | diminuer le quorum ? | 14:16 |
| number80 | certes, c'est difficile d'avoir 25% de votants, mais comme on renouvelle régulièrement le membership, ça reste faisable | 14:17 |
| number80 | tant qu'on précise pas quels sont la nature des changements dont le quorum est abaissé, je peux décemment pas voter oui | 14:17 |
| number80 | (changement de licence ? organisation ?) | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | number80: certes | 14:21 |
| bauzas | number80: après, c'est open governance, donc en théorie le vote n'est que formel | 14:22 |
| number80 | comme on céde pas mal de droits à la fondation, je tiens à connaitre la nature du truc | 14:23 |
| number80 | c'est surtout le changement de licence que je crains | 14:23 |
| number80 | en supprimant le CLA, on rendrait quasi impossible de changer la licence donc à la limite je m'en foutrais un peu du quorum | 14:23 |
| bauzas | tu crains quel genre de risques pour un nouveau CLA ? | 14:24 |
| bauzas | de mémoire, les discussions étaient publiques, faudrait que je retrouve les threads... | 14:24 |
| bauzas | (je parle du CLA v2) | 14:24 |
| bauzas | ouais j'ai le thread, il est publique sur la ML openstack-tc@ | 14:25 |
| bauzas | number80: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-November/000871.html | 14:27 |
| bauzas | number80: et on lit dans ce thread que la derniere election a vue 11% de participation pour les membres individuels | 14:27 |
| number80 | bauzas: c'est plus le changement de licence | 14:29 |
| bauzas | number80: et pour le nouveau CLA, voir ici http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-September/000805.html | 14:29 |
| number80 | en supprimant le CLA comme Fontana l'a fait dans Fedora (en imposant les licences compatibles), tu rends impossible le changement vers une licence proprio | 14:29 |
| bauzas | number80: tu as les slides du projet fournies dans le lien que je t'ai donné | 14:30 |
| number80 | yup | 14:31 |
| bauzas | number80: après, le droit logiciel et les licences, c'est pas ma came | 14:32 |
| bauzas | number80: mais je veux dire que tout est public, donc tu vois la direction | 14:32 |
| bauzas | number80: et c'est pas en baissant le quorum que ca va changer quoi que ce soit | 14:32 |
| number80 | bauzas: le truc c'est que t'es pas à l'abri d'un coup de force ultérieur | 14:32 |
| number80 | si plusieurs gros contributeurs s'entendaient pour rendre openstack proprio, avec un quorum de 10%, c'est jouable | 14:33 |
| bauzas | number80: ben justement, lis le document | 14:34 |
| number80 | ça me rassure pas trop ce document | 14:34 |
| number80 | on assigne tjrs les droits à une fondation | 14:35 |
| bauzas | number80: je suis peut être stupide, mais si y a pas de CLA, qui est garant du FOSS ? | 14:39 |
| bauzas | number80: ie. qu'est ce qui empeche une societé de forker et de relicenser en proprietaire ? | 14:40 |
| number80 | bauzas: tu peux avoir un contributor agreement qui stipule tout simplement que les contributions sont faites selon une licence au choix dans une liste et que tu renonces à utiliser des brevets contre les gens réutilisant le code conformément à la licence | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | number80: j'ai justement un très bon exemple en tête avec CyanogenMod par exemple | 14:41 |
| number80 | cyanogenMod c'est des gangsters | 14:42 |
| number80 | http://opensource.com/law/11/7/trouble-harmony-part-1 | 14:42 |
| bauzas | number80: ben justement le CLA et le DCO vont dans le sens de ta proposition non ? | 14:42 |
| bauzas | number80: de toute facon, il faut un accord de licence | 14:42 |
| number80 | bauzas: c'est un pas en avant, mais ça va pas assez loin | 14:42 |
| number80 | même JBoss a plus de CLA | 14:42 |
| number80 | pourtant, c'est une usine à cash | 14:43 |
| bauzas | number80: mais donc, je réitère, si pas de CLA, qu'est-ce qui empeche les forks proprio ? | 14:43 |
| number80 | la licence du code | 14:43 |
| bauzas | number80: ahem, arrête moi mais OS n'est-il pas Apache ? | 14:44 |
| bauzas | number80: donc logiquement, on devrait supprimer le CLA et relicenser le code ? | 14:44 |
| number80 | oui, mais comme tu cédes le copyright à la fondation, elle peut en changer la licence | 14:45 |
| bauzas | number80: oui tant que le code reste opensource, c'est dans le DCO | 14:45 |
| number80 | l'ASLv2 bien que très libérale est suffisamment restrictive | 14:45 |
| number80 | bah, on peut imaginer que pour faire chier, on passe à la CDDL qui est libre mais incompatible avec pas mal de licence :) | 14:46 |
| number80 | c'est ce qu'avais fait Sun avec ZFS ou Solaris | 14:46 |
| bauzas | number80: je vois pas l'interet pour la Fondation ? | 14:47 |
| number80 | bauzas: la fondation c'est les gens qui la dirigent, on n'est pas à l'abri d'une cabale :) | 14:47 |
| bauzas | number80: admettons qu'ils deviennent tous tellement méchants que même le Père Noel leur distribura pas de cadeaux. Et donc quel sera l'interet de passer à une licence opensource difficilement réintégrable pour des vendors ? | 14:48 |
| number80 | faire chier les concurrents :) | 14:49 |
| number80 | je ne dis pas que c'est ce qu'il arrivera, juste que c'est possible | 14:50 |
| bauzas | number80: les concurrents de ? la fondation ou des vendors qui en fait sont un ensemble de compétiteurs ? | 14:50 |
| number80 | je verrais plutôt une faction de vendors pour éclater les autres | 14:50 |
| bauzas | number80: et moi je dis pas que ca peut pas arriver, juste que je vois pas l'interet pour des villains d'aller propriétariser un truc dont les clés sont détenues par un conglomérat de societés | 14:50 |
| number80 | nous on ne le voit pas | 14:51 |
| bauzas | number80: parce que si le soft devenait proprio, la Fondation aura les droits dessus, et ferait royaltiser ses propres membres | 14:51 |
| number80 | certes | 14:52 |
| bauzas | me semble que la protection va au delà de la simple licence, mais c'est plutot directement dans les statuts | 14:52 |
| bauzas | 'fin bref, c'est bien trop éloigné de mon champ de compétences et vu que la derniere election a vu une audience de 11%, je pense que le Board essaie juste d'être pragmatique | 14:53 |
| bauzas | et que c'est pas la baisse du quorum qui va changer quoi que ce soit sur une potentielle attaque ou une révolution | 14:53 |
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| number80 | bauzas: j'ai demandé à ce que l'on clarifie l'amendement, j'ai envoyé quelques mails à ce sujet | 15:06 |
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