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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Release Bot proposed openstack/neutron-fwaas-dashboard master: Update reno for stable/queens https://review.openstack.org/537907 | 13:39 |
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| yushiro | Hi | 14:00 |
| annp | hi | 14:00 |
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| yushiro | Hi~ | 14:01 |
| SridarK | Hi FWaaS folks | 14:01 |
| yushiro | #startmeeting fwaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 25 14:01:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yushiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 14:02 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i think ur turn to run the mtg today ? | 14:02 |
| yushiro | #chair SridarK yushiro xgerman_ | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman_ yushiro | 14:02 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, Hi. I think today is xgerman_ :) | 14:02 |
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| chandanc | Hello all | 14:02 |
| SridarK | ah ok | 14:02 |
| yushiro | chandanc, Hi | 14:02 |
| chandanc | hello yushiro | 14:02 |
| yushiro | SridarK, However, if he is difficult to handle today, I will. | 14:03 |
| yushiro | Is xgerman_ online? | 14:03 |
| SridarK | sure yushiro and i am ok to run it - if it is difficult for u today as well | 14:04 |
| yushiro | Thanks SridarK :) | 14:04 |
| SridarK | I see xgerman_ online | 14:04 |
| SridarK | perhaps he had to step away | 14:04 |
| yushiro | yes, OK, let's start today's meeting. | 14:05 |
| SridarK | yes | 14:05 |
| yushiro | #topic Queens | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:06 | |
| yushiro | Today is Q-3(FF) deadline. | 14:07 |
| yushiro | Thanks for your review | 14:07 |
| yushiro | Fixed default fwg bug, co-existing, netlink for ipv6, auto-association for default fwg | 14:09 |
| SridarK | +1 | 14:09 |
| annp | +1 | 14:10 |
| yushiro | Regarding co-existing patch( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535237), we need reno I think. | 14:11 |
| annp | yes, I think so too | 14:11 |
| chandanc | yushiro: do you mean for the migration ? | 14:11 |
| yushiro | chandanc, annp Thanks for your discussion. I'm sorry I couldn't join your discussion more.. | 14:11 |
| SridarK | i believe we managed to get all the patches in before the deadline | 14:12 |
| SridarK | we should also discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536234/ | 14:12 |
| annp | Let me confirm: Have we tested with co-existence in case of sg=iptables_hybrid and fwaas=OVS? | 14:12 |
| yushiro | SridarK, +1 | 14:12 |
| yushiro | chandanc, not migration but 'why this fix is necessary or background' | 14:13 |
| chandanc | yushiro: ok got it | 14:13 |
| annp | yushiro, +1 | 14:14 |
| yushiro | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536234/ | 14:14 |
| chandanc | for patch from annp | 14:14 |
| SridarK | yushiro: have we covered coexistence in one of our earlier L2 support patches (in terms of reno) | 14:14 |
| SridarK | if we describle that earlier and this if 535237 is just a bugfix - we may be ok - but chandanc can u pls double check that | 14:15 |
| chandanc | can we ask the end user to move to OVS based SG ? this is my only concern | 14:15 |
| SridarK | chandanc: also in regard to question from annp on testing coexistence with sg iptables and FWaaS L2 | 14:17 |
| SridarK | i think we are good on that correct ? | 14:17 |
| chandanc | SridarK: annp yes i did try the iptable + OVS combination | 14:18 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Just a moment, let me check our previous patch. | 14:18 |
| chandanc | and the failed case was the one we discussed in length | 14:18 |
| chandanc | default firewall group should solve the issue | 14:18 |
| annp | chandanc, really? | 14:18 |
| SridarK | The failed case is mainly to due to conn track | 14:18 |
| chandanc | yes | 14:18 |
| chandanc | I still have to investigate one thing that annp pointed | 14:19 |
| annp | chandanc, actually, I don't think default fwg can resolve the issue. | 14:20 |
| annp | because there is one conntrack system on a compute node | 14:20 |
| chandanc | annp: can you describe the case ? | 14:20 |
| annp | Today I try to test with case: | 14:20 |
| chandanc | sure, please update the thread | 14:21 |
| annp | SG=iptables, FWaaS=OVS, | 14:21 |
| annp | VM1 with default SG allow ping, VM1 is attached with FWGA(No firewall rule) | 14:22 |
| annp | VM2 is attached with SG only, | 14:22 |
| annp | Ping from VM2 to VM1 | 14:22 |
| annp | We can ping from VM2 to VM1 | 14:23 |
| annp | VM2 is attached to default SG allow ping. | 14:23 |
| yushiro | SridarK, we said "if a port is associated with both firewall group and security group, then a packet must be allowed by both features. | 14:23 |
| yushiro | " | 14:23 |
| SridarK | yushiro: +1 | 14:23 |
| chandanc | yushiro: +1 | 14:23 |
| annp | I think the ct_state is change from new -> +est-repl, | 14:24 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 14:24 |
| chandanc | annp: please confirm your findings | 14:24 |
| chandanc | once you have the results, | 14:25 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: We're currently experiencing issues with the logs.openstack.org server which will result in POST_FAILURE for jobs, please stand by and don't needlessly recheck jobs while we troubleshoot the problem. | 14:25 | |
| annp | So if vm2 is attached to default fwg with allow ping rules, I think VM2 can ping vm1. | 14:25 |
| chandanc | i can test on my system, but i have to redo my devstack | 14:25 |
| annp | So I think default fwg is not good solution. | 14:26 |
| annp | chandanc, please confirm the my test. | 14:26 |
| yushiro | However, I think previous reno says about SG for OVS...(Not explicitly mentioned) | 14:26 |
| SridarK | annp: but VM1 is attached to a FWG without a permit for icmp ? | 14:26 |
| annp | yes, | 14:26 |
| annp | I expect VM2 can't ping VM1 | 14:27 |
| SridarK | annp: yes | 14:27 |
| SridarK | so it almost seems like FWaaS is bypassed ? | 14:27 |
| annp | SridarK, yes, Because conntrack state is changed. | 14:28 |
| SridarK | due to SG | 14:28 |
| SridarK | on iptables | 14:28 |
| chandanc | SridarK: annp i did not see this happen on my system, even with icmp allowed in FWG ping was not going through | 14:29 |
| annp | Have you test with my case? | 14:29 |
| xgerman_ | same OS? | 14:29 |
| SridarK | chandanc: annp: So i think we need to confirm this | 14:29 |
| chandanc | yes, i will confirm | 14:30 |
| yushiro | VM1(defaulg SG allow:ICMP) (FWG A) ----- (default SG allow:ICMP)VM2 | 14:30 |
| annp | yes, ping from VM2 to VM1 is ok? | 14:31 |
| annp | I don't have my system at home. But I just tested in my office. | 14:31 |
| yushiro | OK, I'll test it on Ubuntu. | 14:32 |
| chandanc | annp: as per my tests VM2 to VM1 ping fails, let me confirm | 14:33 |
| SridarK | So on this case, one observation was that without VM2 having a default FWG (even if we had permit for icmp) things will fail | 14:33 |
| chandanc | yes, that is the test i did | 14:33 |
| SridarK | chandanc: ^^^ this is what u had observed correct ? | 14:33 |
| chandanc | SridarK: +1 | 14:33 |
| annp | chandanc, hmm, let wait yushiro confirm. I think we should test careful | 14:34 |
| chandanc | annp +1 | 14:34 |
| yushiro | annp sorry, I confused. expect: failed to send ICMP from VM2 --> VM1 actual: success ? | 14:34 |
| annp | yushiro, yes, I expect failed | 14:35 |
| yushiro | OK, I see. will try it. | 14:35 |
| chandanc | annp: can you send your test case in the same mail thread with expected result | 14:35 |
| annp | yes, I will to in tomorrow. | 14:35 |
| yushiro | annp, chandanc +1 | 14:35 |
| SridarK | ok lets confirm the difference in findings on this scenario | 14:36 |
| chandanc | ok | 14:36 |
| annp | However, I think my patch still necessary :) | 14:36 |
| SridarK | and we can continue the email thread | 14:36 |
| SridarK | annp: on ur patch lets discuss that | 14:36 |
| SridarK | annp: so u will prevent this scenario all together ? | 14:37 |
| annp | Sridark, I mean we should prevent linuxbridge port | 14:37 |
| chandanc | annp: you mean hybrid plug right ? | 14:37 |
| SridarK | annp: yes | 14:38 |
| annp | chandanc, no, if hybrid plug work corrects in coexistence mode. we no need to prevent. | 14:38 |
| chandanc | oh | 14:38 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 14:38 |
| annp | however, we should prevent linuxbridge port | 14:38 |
| chandanc | annp +1 | 14:39 |
| SridarK | annp: so if we are doing coexistence we need both sg and FWaaS to be using ovs | 14:39 |
| chandanc | i agree | 14:39 |
| SridarK | annp: and ur patch validates that | 14:40 |
| chandanc | if port.binding.vif_type == pb_def.VIF_TYPE_OVS: | 14:40 |
| chandanc | if not port.binding.vif_details[pb_def.OVS_HYBRID_PLUG]: | 14:40 |
| chandanc | return True | 14:40 |
| chandanc | i was confused by this | 14:40 |
| annp | SridarK, I mean mechanism driver= ovs or linuxbrige | 14:40 |
| yushiro | SridarK, +1 This is our target | 14:40 |
| annp | chandanc, we can remove if f not port.binding.vif_details[pb_def.OVS_HYBRID_PLUG] if hybrid port test ok | 14:40 |
| chandanc | annp: i am more confused now | 14:41 |
| chandanc | SG=iptables, FWaaS=OVS case you mmentioned | 14:41 |
| chandanc | is it iptables or iptables_hybrid | 14:42 |
| annp | my patch intend to prevent all ports, which doesn't support by fwg | 14:42 |
| yushiro | annp, In current validation, there is no relation for mechanism driver. I think it relates firewall_driver for security_group. | 14:42 |
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| yushiro | firewall_driver for security_group are 'noop', 'iptables_hybrid' or 'openvswitch'. | 14:42 |
| chandanc | yushiro: yes +1 | 14:43 |
| annp | yushiro, current source code in master branch? | 14:43 |
| annp | or my patch? | 14:43 |
| yushiro | annp, I mean ur patch | 14:43 |
| annp | No, | 14:43 |
| annp | my patch intend to prevent all ports, which are not supported by FWG at API side. | 14:44 |
| annp | Let me take an example: | 14:45 |
| annp | There is 2 compute node: | 14:45 |
| annp | compute A(ml2=LinuxBridge), | 14:45 |
| annp | ComputeB(ml2=OVS) | 14:45 |
| yushiro | annp, Yes, I know. However, a point is different. My point is a parameter 'vif_details' of the port relates firewall_driver. | 14:45 |
| annp | yushiro, We can remove vif_details line if all tested with SG=iptables_hybrid and FWaaS(OVS) passed in code coexistence. | 14:47 |
| chandanc | annp: am i correct in saying that your patch will allow only OVS + OVS case | 14:47 |
| annp | chandanc, yes. | 14:47 |
| yushiro | chandanc, I think so. | 14:47 |
| chandanc | ok, in that case | 14:47 |
| chandanc | i have only one concern | 14:47 |
| chandanc | can we ask the user to move SG to OVS | 14:48 |
| annp | Because I need your confirm with hybrid port test. | 14:48 |
| chandanc | SridarK: xgerman_ do you think operators will agree | 14:48 |
| SridarK | i have one clarfication before | 14:49 |
| chandanc | SridarK: sure | 14:49 |
| xgerman_ | hard to know — we need to chat with them at one of the summits | 14:49 |
| chandanc | hmm | 14:49 |
| SridarK | annp: so on Compute A - we are running SG on iptables and Compute B SG on ovs ? | 14:49 |
| yushiro | chandanc, Yes, that is your concern. I think it's so difficult to modify existing system. So, preparing a new compute node with OVS ... or | 14:50 |
| yushiro | hmm | 14:50 |
| annp | SridarK, compute B can running with sg=iptables_hybrid or ovs | 14:50 |
| chandanc | yushiro: agree if there is a staged migration path | 14:50 |
| annp | From my understanding, compute A will running SG=iptables | 14:51 |
| annp | with ml2 driver = openvswitch, there is 2 solution for SG: SG based iptables, it called iptables_hybrid | 14:52 |
| annp | and SG based OVS | 14:52 |
| chandanc | yes | 14:52 |
| SridarK | agreed | 14:53 |
| yushiro | Sorry guys, there is 8 minutes left. Could you please continue after this meeting? | 14:53 |
| annp | So, My patch will prevent ports, which are landed at compute A | 14:53 |
| SridarK | ok | 14:53 |
| chandanc | annp | 14:54 |
| chandanc | i dont agree to prevent iptables based ports | 14:54 |
| SridarK | yes lets put the specifics down on the email thread as well | 14:54 |
| yushiro | #topic Open Discussion | 14:54 |
| chandanc | hybrid is the only issue | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 14:54 | |
| SridarK | ok one quick update in parallel | 14:54 |
| SridarK | regarding the service driver Patch from doude | 14:55 |
| doude | hi | 14:55 |
| yushiro | Yes. | 14:55 |
| yushiro | Hi | 14:55 |
| SridarK | doude: pls go ahead | 14:55 |
| doude | ok | 14:56 |
| doude | so given the deadline we decided to postpone it for R | 14:56 |
| SridarK | we agreed that doude will use an out of tree implementation for now for internal requirements | 14:56 |
| doude | and for our customers we will write our own FWaaS service plugin for queens which implements my proposed interfece driver | 14:57 |
| SridarK | doude: and u will file a bp and we will get this in R-1 | 14:57 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 14:58 |
| SridarK | doude thx for ur understanding | 14:58 |
| doude | about that bp, how should proceed? | 14:58 |
| chandanc | +1 | 14:58 |
| doude | *I | 14:58 |
| SridarK | doude pls file it and u can pretty much replicate the contents that u have in ur bug | 14:58 |
| SridarK | doude: and we can discuss more offline | 14:59 |
| doude | ok | 14:59 |
| yushiro | Is it better to file RFE? | 14:59 |
| yushiro | BP ? Sorry, I just confused. | 14:59 |
| SridarK | ah yes maybe | 14:59 |
| SridarK | yushiro: blueprint | 14:59 |
| SridarK | sorry | 14:59 |
| yushiro | NP. Ah, OK, BP not RFE | 15:00 |
| SridarK | annp: can u pls continue ur description after the mtg or put it in the email thread | 15:00 |
| doude | what's RFE? | 15:00 |
| SridarK | either is ok, xgerman_ which do u think is better ? | 15:00 |
| yushiro | doude, Request For Enhancement. It's same as bug report but adding a tag named 'rfe'. | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | I think RfE is less work and likely sufficient | 15:01 |
| yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ I have 1 quick . | 15:01 |
| yushiro | oh, it's time ! | 15:01 |
| xgerman_ | we can go over :-) | 15:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman_: ok makes sense | 15:01 |
| SridarK | oh yes we can :-) | 15:01 |
| yushiro | let's close weekly meeting now but please continue 1 thing :) | 15:02 |
| SridarK | ok | 15:02 |
| annp | SridarK, I think we can continue discuss after meeting | 15:02 |
| yushiro | Thanks. | 15:02 |
| yushiro | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 25 15:02:21 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2018/fwaas.2018-01-25-14.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2018/fwaas.2018-01-25-14.01.txt | 15:02 |
| SridarK | annp: ok | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2018/fwaas.2018-01-25-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
| yushiro | start meeting :) | 15:02 |
| annp | :) | 15:02 |
| annp | chandanc, How fwg can work with ports, which are landed at compute A? | 15:03 |
| annp | with current fwg l2 driver? | 15:03 |
| chandanc | if compute A is running linuxbridge, it will not work | 15:03 |
| yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ I and hoangcx are trying to support fwaas logging feature. In this RFE https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1720727 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1720727 in neutron "[RFE] (Operator-only) Extend logging feature to support for FWaaS v2" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:03 |
| annp | yes, So I think we should prevent ports, which are landed at compute A | 15:04 |
| SridarK | yushiro: +1 | 15:04 |
| SridarK | and we can target that for R ? | 15:04 |
| yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ miguel wants to know our FWaaS activity ( Whether fwaas v2 implementation has been finished or not) | 15:04 |
| chandanc | annp: i agree | 15:04 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i think we can state that it is done | 15:04 |
| SridarK | now we are fixing bugs | 15:04 |
| yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ Yes, I'd like to implement until R. | 15:04 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 15:04 |
| yushiro | SridarK, yes, | 15:04 |
| xgerman_ | yes | 15:05 |
| SridarK | yushiro: +1 for R | 15:05 |
| SridarK | i think we can kick of R with doude 's changes | 15:05 |
| yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ Therefore, could you please comment this RFE about fwaas status? | 15:05 |
| SridarK | to avoid churn on code | 15:05 |
| yushiro | Miguel is waiting fwaaS member's reply :) | 15:05 |
| annp | OK, So let confirm with case compute B with sg=iptables_hybrid and Fwaas=OVS. Then we can consider remove the line https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536234/6/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/fwaas_plugin_v2.py@271 | 15:05 |
| xgerman_ | ah, I told him in person ;-) | 15:06 |
| annp | chandanc, right? | 15:06 |
| yushiro | xgerman_, sweet :) | 15:06 |
| chandanc | annp: yes | 15:06 |
| xgerman_ | ok, will need to dig up the blueprint then | 15:06 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Yes, So, I think it's better to merge doube's patch super ASAP | 15:06 |
| annp | chandanc, :) OK. | 15:07 |
| SridarK | i think we can state the important aspects of the original bp are in | 15:08 |
| SridarK | i will comment to that effect as well | 15:08 |
| yushiro | OK thanks. | 15:08 |
| chandanc | annp: preventing linuxbridge port is good, as we dont have a driver that can support linuxbridge ports, so i am in agreement on that. | 15:09 |
| chandanc | i will test hybrid and update the thread | 15:09 |
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| yushiro | chandanc, +10 | 15:09 |
| annp | chandanc, in case of there is some issue with sg=iptables_hybrid and fwaas=ovs, we should consider prevent them temporary at least we have way to support that | 15:09 |
| chandanc | annp: agree | 15:10 |
| annp | chandanc, So I think we're same page now :) | 15:10 |
| chandanc | annp, please check on your side if noop driver works for SG | 15:10 |
| yushiro | annp, chandanc let me sync up with you guys. Now we're trying to investigate iptables_hybrid(SG) + FWG. | 15:11 |
| annp | chandanc, sure. I will check it and update the thread also | 15:11 |
| chandanc | as that can be the last option for us if people dont want to move SG to OVS | 15:11 |
| annp | yushiro, yes. | 15:12 |
| chandanc | yushiro: is associate default FWG true by default | 15:12 |
| SridarK | yushiro: added a comment | 15:12 |
| yushiro | chandanc, Default is 'False' | 15:12 |
| chandanc | ok | 15:12 |
| yushiro | chandanc, If you'd like to associate automatically, please configure /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini | 15:13 |
| chandanc | yushiro: sure i understand | 15:13 |
| annp | yushiro, configure in /etc/neutron/neutron_fwaas.conf? | 15:14 |
| SridarK | ok and once u have completed the investigation pls update the thread and we can file a bug to track this | 15:15 |
| chandanc | SridarK: sure | 15:15 |
| yushiro | whatever is OK if you load the file to start q-svc.service | 15:15 |
| annp | Frankly to speaking, I don't like enforcing all ports to default FWG. But if there is no way,... | 15:15 |
| SridarK | and we can use that bug to get in annp's validation patch or a variation of that | 15:16 |
| annp | yushiro, got it | 15:16 |
| yushiro | annp, You mean you don't like default SG either, right? | 15:16 |
| xgerman_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-api-2.0 | 15:16 |
| xgerman_ | can’t change anything there | 15:16 |
| xgerman_ | except adding more work items | 15:17 |
| yushiro | xgerman_, +1 | 15:17 |
| annp | No, I mean I don't mean that | 15:17 |
| annp | I don't like the solution use default fwg to fix communication between VMs | 15:18 |
| annp | in case of sg=iptables_hybrid, fwaas=OVS | 15:18 |
| yushiro | aha, I see what you mean | 15:19 |
| annp | yushiro, :) | 15:19 |
| yushiro | OK, I'm trying to test devstack with iptables_hybrid + ovs | 15:19 |
| annp | yushiro, +1 | 15:20 |
| chandanc | ok yushiro | 15:20 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 15:20 |
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| xgerman_ | need to get some coffee ;-) | 15:20 |
| yushiro | :) | 15:20 |
| yushiro | OK guys, see you ~ | 15:21 |
| annp | Thanks all, See you | 15:21 |
| chandanc | yushiro: annp please update the thread | 15:21 |
| chandanc | i have to log out now | 15:21 |
| annp | chandanc, sure! | 15:21 |
| yushiro | OK | 15:21 |
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| chandanc | thanks all | 15:21 |
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| annp | bye bye | 15:22 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: logs.openstack.org is stabilized and there should no longer be *new* POST_FAILURE errors. Logs for jobs that ran in the past weeks until earlier today are currently unavailable pending FSCK completion. We're going to temporarily disable *successful* jobs from uploading their logs to reduce strain on our current limited capacity. Thanks for your patience ! | 16:01 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/neutron-fwaas-dashboard master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/535027 | 17:52 |
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