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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Add image number quota check https://review.openstack.org/244573 | 02:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance: Add image number quota check https://review.openstack.org/244573 | 08:52 |
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| mclaren | flaper87: buen dia :-) | 10:16 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: hey there | 11:44 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: how are you doing | 11:44 |
| flaper87 | ? | 11:44 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/245239 | 11:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Stuart McLaren proposed openstack/glance-specs: Use trusts for post image upload registry call https://review.openstack.org/229878 | 11:44 |
| mclaren | one sec | 11:45 |
| mclaren | hey! | 11:47 |
| mclaren | got a sec to chat about the import stuff? | 11:47 |
| mclaren | flaper87: ^ | 11:50 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: sure | 11:51 |
| flaper87 | I haven't read your latest comment, though | 11:51 |
| flaper87 | want me to go through that before we do? | 11:51 |
| flaper87 | :D | 11:51 |
| mclaren | sure thing -- thanks | 11:52 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: here, read your comment | 11:56 |
| mclaren | cool | 11:56 |
| mclaren | apologies if I'm being an idiot here and missing the point ... | 11:56 |
| flaper87 | oh not at all, I'd rather have these convos now than regret not having them later | 11:57 |
| flaper87 | It's good to go back and forth | 11:57 |
| mclaren | yeah, especially if you're looking at a *lot* of changes to the code base | 11:58 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 11:58 |
| mclaren | I still feel I'm struggling to see the wood from the trees a bit -- can you help?! | 11:58 |
| flaper87 | so | 11:58 |
| flaper87 | I can tell you my pov, which might be wrong :D | 11:58 |
| mclaren | go for it! | 11:59 |
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| flaper87 | What I think we benefit from by having the new /bikeshed endpoint is the ability of enabling the upload flow to trigger the task engine and make the responses and steps to get the image in consistent between the swift-local and glance-local | 12:00 |
| flaper87 | We can't do that with /file because we'd break the existing API | 12:00 |
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| flaper87 | and I personally think it's important to have the task engine being executed every time users upload an image | 12:01 |
| flaper87 | (unless they are admins/services and this wants to be disabled) | 12:01 |
| mclaren | ok, can you expand on that? | 12:01 |
| flaper87 | I'm worried about the amount of work as well | 12:01 |
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| flaper87 | (FWIW) | 12:01 |
| flaper87 | The task engine part? | 12:01 |
| mclaren | yes | 12:01 |
| flaper87 | sure | 12:01 |
| flaper87 | One of the reasons behind the tasks endpoint was to have the task engine being executed and to be able to perform some checks other than just importing the image. Among those checks there are image validation, image signing, etc. To that you can add a whole bunch of other fancy things we're not supporting now | 12:03 |
| flaper87 | If we implement this new process w/o that, I feel like we'll be back to the same place where we were before | 12:03 |
| mclaren | ok, I get that argument, but ... | 12:04 |
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| mclaren | and I'm playing devil's advocate here | 12:04 |
| mclaren | the feedback from the summit was that (almost) everyone enables image upload | 12:05 |
| flaper87 | I've been thinking of ways to break this work into pieces and make it a multi-release work. One idea is to add this process w/o tasks at all (not sure if it's possible) and complete that part in N | 12:05 |
| mclaren | so in the 'real world' there is an api which is being used which probably isn't going to go away | 12:06 |
| mclaren | and which folks haven't expressed any problems with | 12:06 |
| flaper87 | I have to disagree. Once the new api will be in place, I expect people (sure, not very realistic) to move to the new one once they see the new things enabled in the new API. | 12:07 |
| flaper87 | also | 12:07 |
| flaper87 | People have not expressed issues with the upload API but they do have expressed the need of having the task engine triggered by that API | 12:07 |
| flaper87 | this comes from the Vancouver summit in our OPS-glance session | 12:07 |
| mclaren | remind me? | 12:08 |
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| flaper87 | In the glance-ops session we had in the glance track, some of the ops that were there wanted the upload call to trigger the tasks engine automatically. This was not only related to the security checks but also things like image conversion | 12:09 |
| mclaren | god bless your memory :-) | 12:09 |
| flaper87 | lol, my GF disagrees | 12:10 |
| flaper87 | :P | 12:10 |
| flaper87 | hope all that makes sense. From my POV, I think it's important that the two supported import paths are consistent in terms of the process/steps they follow. | 12:11 |
| * flaper87 is trying to think how this could be simplified | 12:11 | |
| mclaren | on image conversion -- there seemed to be some proposal to decouple that from import | 12:12 |
| flaper87 | yup, I agree with that. That hasn't changed. I mentioned just to recall one of the needs | 12:12 |
| flaper87 | but lets not put it in this proposal | 12:12 |
| mclaren | sure | 12:12 |
| mclaren | do you see operators being able to switch off direct upload (that user's may have been using for a while now)? | 12:13 |
| mclaren | and all deploying the new thing in a timely manner? (https://xkcd.com/927/) | 12:14 |
| flaper87 | If we provide an easy way to move forward, I do see that as a possible way. Also, the migration will require several cycles. | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | Ok, the timely manner part is the one that worries me (and you) | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | What if we turn this process off by default and we switch to on by default in N ? | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | What if we take more than one cycle to work on this, just to make it better (TM)? | 12:16 |
| mclaren | yeah, plus what will the status of image upload be? It would seem strange if we reached a point where defcore was saying one thing, but out in the 'real world' everyone was just using direct upload | 12:16 |
| mclaren | I'm worried that's where we're headed | 12:16 |
| mclaren | again from the summit it seems to be what 99% of sites are doing | 12:16 |
| flaper87 | is it bad? I don't think it'd be bad to say: "Yo, bare with us a bit longer" | 12:17 |
| flaper87 | I don't want to advise people to use something that is incomplete and that we don't consider stable | 12:17 |
| flaper87 | As I mentioned on the spec, I think we should start finalizing some areas of the spec and let the implementation go. Meanwhile, we can amend the rest of the spec | 12:18 |
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| flaper87 | at the end of the cycle, we can decide whether we want to turn the whole thing off by default | 12:18 |
| mclaren | that's fine, but I am worried that there may be three ways to get your bits into the cloud, two of which are covered by defcore and the other is what everyone actually uses | 12:18 |
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| flaper87 | there's a migration work that we need to work on, though. I mean, that's kinda the case already and we need to drive the community to the point where we have most of them on what we want | 12:19 |
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| flaper87 | s/want/advice as the right thing/ | 12:20 |
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| mclaren | I'd feel happier if we asked operators/users what they really wanted. If our goal is interoperability I'm not sure how/if we can really deprecate/disable the existing upload which is currently the most interoperable way of doing things. | 12:22 |
| mclaren | If an operator disables it users' stuff will break | 12:23 |
| mclaren | I probably should have thought of all this before now :-/ | 12:23 |
| flaper87 | well, FWIW, we did | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | I remember we talking about re-using the /file endpoint | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | not sure if I brought that up but it didn't seem to be a good idea | 12:24 |
| flaper87 | because of all the compatibilities | 12:24 |
| mclaren | yeah that's kind of what I'm saying you have to preserve existing behaviour | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we need to deprecate the current upload just yet | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | We do need to provide a path forward | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | that's where we need to be super smart | 12:25 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: same topic, but a bit different: DO you think we can start finalizing parts of the spec and get them implemented? At least we can start with the parts we agreed on already | 12:26 |
| mclaren | Having three ways is two too many! | 12:26 |
| flaper87 | and leave the /file vs /bikeshed steps to the end | 12:27 |
| mclaren | I think we can probably implement the import from swift bits? | 12:27 |
| flaper87 | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 12:27 |
| flaper87 | and the new header | 12:27 |
| flaper87 | w/ swift-local and glance-local | 12:27 |
| mclaren | well swift anyway | 12:28 |
| flaper87 | right | 12:28 |
| flaper87 | I'll have to think a bit more on our convo | 12:28 |
| mclaren | swift:region? | 12:28 |
| mclaren | Maybe we should reach out to operators? | 12:30 |
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| flaper87 | I think we can/should but I'd like to also go there with some other options. | 12:30 |
| mclaren | ok, give them a menu? | 12:30 |
| flaper87 | Here's another idea that just came to mind | 12:30 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: exactly | 12:30 |
| flaper87 | With steak in it | 12:31 |
| mclaren | (they'll order the most expensive thing of course!) | 12:31 |
| flaper87 | steak for vegans, vegetarians and gluten free | 12:31 |
| flaper87 | so | 12:31 |
| flaper87 | idea | 12:31 |
| flaper87 | What if we keep the `/file` endpoint as-is | 12:31 |
| flaper87 | and we allow for that endpoint to be sent to the `/import` call (just as if it were swift) | 12:32 |
| flaper87 | That call will import that image and do everything it has to do | 12:32 |
| flaper87 | And the result of that operation is an image that was cloned from the one uploaded to /file | 12:32 |
| mclaren | Is that kind of what I said here? (one sec) | 12:33 |
| flaper87 | where? I could have read it somewhere and forgot about that | 12:33 |
| * mclaren hunts furiously | 12:33 | |
| flaper87 | my gf always says that it's easy to plant memories in my brain | 12:33 |
| * mclaren where's searchlight when you need it ... | 12:34 | |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 12:34 |
| * flaper87 goes and gets more coffee | 12:36 | |
| mclaren | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/5/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import-refactor.rst around line 213 | 12:36 |
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| mclaren | back in a sec | 12:37 |
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| flaper87 | mclaren: ah-ha, now I understood what you were proposing there. I think it's something along those lines but w/o the bootable part, I guess | 12:45 |
| mclaren | In the non-Swift case is what we're really talking about image validation before marking it active? | 12:46 |
| mclaren | (if conversion is out of the picture) | 12:46 |
| flaper87 | right, I meant to say that the `/file` endpoint would remain intact and then we'd just use that location for the `/import` call, which would do the same things the swift:region one does | 12:46 |
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| mclaren | conversion wouldn't be, but could image validation be synchronous? | 12:50 |
| flaper87 | exactly, that was one of the arguments why we said /file was not reusable | 12:50 |
| flaper87 | any chance we do to `/file` will break the existing API | 12:50 |
| flaper87 | at least the ones we've discussed so far (since we started discussing this process) | 12:51 |
| * flaper87 hopes there's one that will make it re-usable | 12:51 | |
| mclaren | would a synchronous validation be deemed breaking the api? | 12:51 |
| mclaren | or would it be more like a policy change? | 12:53 |
| flaper87 | I don't think so but I think it's not great to have synchronous because the whole point is not just validation. I'm worried that under one path you can get an active image synchronously and the other one requires you to poll until the image is ready | 12:53 |
| flaper87 | that's not interoperable | 12:53 |
| flaper87 | I don't think so == I don't think it'd break | 12:53 |
| mclaren | one path = swift the other = glance ? | 12:53 |
| flaper87 | yes | 12:53 |
| flaper87 | That's not consistent and it's certainly not interoperable | 12:54 |
| mclaren | it's not consistent agreed, but why isn't it interoperable? | 12:54 |
| flaper87 | It's not because I can't use the same script for both clouds. On one cloud I know I can upload the image and it'll be active right away. On the other cloud I need to poll to see if the image is active | 12:55 |
| mclaren | (or why is it any less interoperable) | 12:55 |
| flaper87 | I'll have to have 2 different branches of code, one for each cloud, because they don't behave the same | 12:55 |
| mclaren | Sure, but (my understanding) is that you can't use the exact same script for the swift case versus the glance case anyway? | 12:55 |
| flaper87 | why not? The only difference is that you need to upload the data to different places but that's discoverable and at least the image goes through the same path | 12:56 |
| flaper87 | if we pick the image conversion example again: | 12:57 |
| mclaren | you're gonna have an 'if' statement in there somewhere | 12:57 |
| flaper87 | In one cloud I know I can upload any image and it'll be ready for my cloud to use it as it'll convert it for me. On another cloud I'll have to convert it myself to make sure it's on the same format that cloud supports. | 12:57 |
| flaper87 | That's probably not the best example but I hope it's clear enough | 12:58 |
| mclaren | ok, so let's circle back to converting for a second ... | 12:58 |
| flaper87 | I'm not saying we have to solve all the branches in the scripts but at least have 1 import process that is consistent and behaves the same everywhere | 12:58 |
| mclaren | the direction we seemed to be going with image conversion was to decouple it from import | 12:59 |
| flaper87 | wait, afaiu, the direction is to not make it part of this script but not really decoupled. TO convert images you need to use the task engine which is coupled to this process | 12:59 |
| mclaren | my understanding (may be wrong) was that would look something like: 1. upload raw = creates 'image 1'. 2. request conversion => creates 'image 2' | 12:59 |
| flaper87 | what we're not doing is making the import process depend on that | 12:59 |
| flaper87 | no no | 13:00 |
| flaper87 | that's what we have now, ish. | 13:00 |
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| mclaren | ah, decouple in terms of implementation? | 13:01 |
| flaper87 | yes | 13:01 |
| mclaren | hmm, let me re-read one of Brian's comments | 13:01 |
| flaper87 | okidoki | 13:01 |
| * mclaren too many comments! | 13:02 | |
| flaper87 | unless it was me who interpreted it the wrong way | 13:02 |
| mclaren | I remember comments between doug/brian, but not 100% sure, trying to find them | 13:04 |
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| mclaren | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/3/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import-refactor.rst around line 145 - Brian's comment | 13:07 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: right, I read all that as "it won't be part of the import process (responses, etc) but that doesn't mean it can't be triggered as part of the task engine | 13:10 |
| flaper87 | which is what we have now | 13:10 |
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| mclaren | not sure if we're agreeing?! I read it as: when I import a qcow2 the import will always result in a qcow2. | 13:13 |
| mclaren | if I want a raw I send a second api call to create a (new) raw image | 13:13 |
| flaper87 | mmh nope, because it's the cloud that might want raw, not the user | 13:14 |
| flaper87 | btw, I gotta jump on a call in ~5 mins | 13:14 |
| flaper87 | (in case a stop responding) | 13:14 |
| flaper87 | I need to think this through a bit longer. I'll write a comment on the spec and I think we should dedicate tomorrow's drivers meeting to this | 13:15 |
| mclaren | sure, np. Brian says "I disagree with folding the conversion into the import." | 13:15 |
| flaper87 | 30mins won't be enough but lets try to be consistent | 13:15 |
| mclaren | in one of his comments | 13:15 |
| mclaren | ok what time is that? | 13:15 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: I think he meant into the requests/responses of this new import process | 13:15 |
| flaper87 | which is not really related to the task engine being able to run the conversion task under-the-hood | 13:16 |
| flaper87 | Lets ask rosmaita_ when he's around | 13:16 |
| mclaren | yes, that's probably easiest! | 13:16 |
| mclaren | I'll turn up tomorrow for once :-) | 13:16 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: pls, be around tomorrow | 13:16 |
| flaper87 | lol | 13:16 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 13:16 |
| mclaren | time? | 13:17 |
| flaper87 | it's 14 UTC | 13:18 |
| mclaren | thx | 13:19 |
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| nikhil_k_ | mfedosin: dshakhray ativelkov: anyone around? | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k_ | kairat: ^ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k_ | for the mtg on -4 channel? | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | mfedosin: o/ | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | offtopic: I love the new emoticons they added to the skype apps ! | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: what did you want to discuss? | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | I use linux version | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | hm, I haven't used skype on linux for years now | 14:32 |
| mfedosin | It is old and rough :) and no smilies here | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, I was hoping they make it better in linux but it's microsoft now so, .. | 14:32 |
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| mfedosin | I just wanted to tell you, that I assigned a task for myself to split Glance and Glare | 14:33 |
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| nikhil_k | the process you mean? | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | and there is a task for Alex to write a spec with Glare implementation | 14:33 |
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| mfedosin | without it it's meaningless to discuss anything | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | because it turned out that I misunderstood the details of implementation. | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, true that. I am waiting on the spec too. | 14:36 |
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| mfedosin | and today we talked it on our daily sync-up, and I've learned that Glare will be based on the current v3 code. | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | I thought it will be the whole new | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | so, I'm waiting for Alex to write and publish his ideas | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | hm | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | thanks for sharing that info. It gets me on the same page. | 14:38 |
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| mfedosin | And if you have some questions it's better to ask him directly | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | sounds good, will do. | 14:38 |
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| Jokke_ | flaper87, nikhil_k: looks like we should think of releasing 1.3.0 from client. Anything against that? | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | Jokke_: not from me | 15:16 |
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| flaper87 | Jokke_: not from me either but would you mind sharing why we need it now? I mean, is there a change that needs to be released? as in a blocker fix | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | ? | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | Asking because we might need to do the same for some of the things we need in nova for the v1 -> v2 change | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | I'm wondering if this is related to that | 15:27 |
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| Jokke_ | flaper87: just looking that we haven't release since Liberty and we have 33 changes merged ... the current advice being release small release often is really not here | 15:39 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: I'd like to get this big bundle out of way and contain the nova needed stuff in it's own so if something breaks we have easier task to find what caused it | 15:40 |
| Jokke_ | we also have merged tons of bugfixes that would be nice to get released, not just merged | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | Jokke_: sounds good to me! I've in my todo list for this week to identify such changes that we'll need to bundle in a new minor that are required by nova | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | thanks for managing this | 15:47 |
| Jokke_ | I have rel note update for review in a sec | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erno Kuvaja proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: Release Notes for version 1.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/245849 | 15:55 |
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| Jokke_ | flaper87: nikhil_k: ^^ | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | Jokke_: <3 | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | will review in a bit | 15:57 |
| Jokke_ | flaper87: I think I promised to help out with the rel man stuff ;) | 15:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erno Kuvaja proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: Release Notes for version 1.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/245849 | 16:00 |
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| Jokke_ | I will propose release request tomorrow if the above have merged | 16:02 |
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| stevelle | Hi, just checking to see if there are any reviewers available for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197388/ | 16:24 |
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| Jokke_ | looking | 16:35 |
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| Steap_ | Hey! I have a bunch of simple Py3 patches for glance. They have gotten positive reviews so far, could someone take a look at them ? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:py3,n,z | 16:42 |
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| avarner_ | Steap_, I'll review them. I'm not core though :( | 17:01 |
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| avarner_ | Steap_, do you know if there is a bug report requesting python 3 compatibility? | 17:01 |
| Steap_ | avarner_: there isn't, to my knowledge | 17:02 |
| Jokke_ | stevelle: couple of almost nits in general it looks fine | 17:03 |
| stevelle | thanks Jokke_ | 17:03 |
| stevelle | avarner_: did you see my answer for your query on Friday? | 17:03 |
| avarner_ | stevelle, thanks, I just checked it in the eavesdrop site. (I think I will increase my client's history retention) | 17:06 |
| avarner_ | stevelle, That is a very helpful page, I had been looking for something just like it. Thanks | 17:08 |
| stevelle | avarner_: it is imperfect, can be out of sync with reality, but is generally correct and useful as a coarse guidance. | 17:09 |
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| stevelle | Jokke_: the elif thing is interesting as that is the opposite recommendation that linters give in a lot of other languages. hadn't noticed into this element of pythonic style yet. | 17:14 |
| Jokke_ | stevelle: wel if ... elif ... elif ... else is kind of the de facto way of doing swift...case functionality that doesn't exists in python | 17:15 |
| Jokke_ | so it's way more readable | 17:15 |
| Jokke_ | it would be just consistency thing regardless the operation ceases anyways at the first return | 17:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Lewis proposed openstack/glance: Support new v2 API image filters https://review.openstack.org/197388 | 17:16 |
| stevelle | k, easy change. There is the fixes :) | 17:16 |
| Jokke_ | thanks appreciate it | 17:16 |
| avarner_ | Steap_, actually it looks like glance is already supposed to be python 3 compatible, so I won't put a bug report for these | 17:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | GB21 proposed openstack/glance: Add a soft delete functionality for tasks. https://review.openstack.org/209255 | 17:19 |
| Steap_ | avarner_: ok | 17:20 |
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| flaper87 | stevelle: question: Are you working on a branch? | 19:04 |
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| flaper87 | I see git-review is overriding the topic every time and I wanted to know why | 19:04 |
| flaper87 | I think it does that when you work on branches | 19:04 |
| stevelle | flaper87: yes, I always use a branch locally | 19:04 |
| stevelle | it seems to clobber the priority tag | 19:04 |
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| flaper87 | stevelle: you are doing the right thing | 19:04 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 19:05 |
| flaper87 | I need to find a better way to tag prio changes | 19:05 |
| flaper87 | I guess we can use a commit msg tag | 19:05 |
| * flaper87 *shrugs* | 19:05 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Lewis proposed openstack/glance: Support new v2 API image filters https://review.openstack.org/197388 | 19:14 |
| flaper87 | is it just me or gerrit is a bit slow today? | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Remove todo to remove /versions https://review.openstack.org/244571 | 19:25 |
| flaper87 | i think it's me | 19:26 |
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| stevelle | Time is never on our side flaper87 :) | 19:33 |
| flaper87 | stevelle: well said! | 19:34 |
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| flaper87 | stevelle: don't hate me but I think that tag won't work... gerrit is being dumb | 19:40 |
| flaper87 | stevelle: can we go with MitakaPriority ? | 19:40 |
| flaper87 | sorry for experimenting w/ your change | 19:41 |
| stevelle | just MitakaPriority then flaper87? | 19:41 |
| flaper87 | stevelle: yes, thank you | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Lewis proposed openstack/glance: Support new v2 API image filters https://review.openstack.org/197388 | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | stevelle: <3 | 19:43 |
| stevelle | I got a few cycles right now, and revision numbers are cheap. | 19:44 |
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