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| maestro1 | hi all, am looking to upload windows raw image( ISO) into glance, while preparing windows as qcow2 its size is large | 09:31 |
| maestro1 | may i know how to prepare windows which size is lesser in weigh and recommend size for windows images | 09:31 |
| kairat | maestro1, hi, not sure I got your question | 09:32 |
| kairat | Glance can store quite big images | 09:32 |
| kairat | up to 1 Tb by default AFAIK | 09:32 |
| kairat | and this is configurable | 09:33 |
| maestro1 | yes it can store of any size, but we are looking for small size | 09:33 |
| kairat | so glance store small images also | 09:34 |
| kairat | what would you like to do in Glance? | 09:35 |
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| maestro2 | sorry i was removed or some issues dont know | 09:38 |
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| kairat | hat would you like to do in Glance? | 09:38 |
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| maestro2 | @ Kairat : Hi.. I would like to prepare windows image to upload in glance which weigh should be less, at present size of my windwos (qcow2) image size is 22 GB, I would like to have less than 12 GB, may i know is there any recommended size for windows images | 09:47 |
| kairat | I am afraid glance cannot control that | 09:49 |
| kairat | Glance is a image repository | 09:49 |
| kairat | So it just stores image you provided to it | 09:49 |
| kairat | and make this image accessible to others | 09:49 |
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| sbezverk | Hello we have opened a bug against we thought cinder issue, but cinder folks are not sure if it is their issue, appreciate if somebody could check it and comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1571211 | 12:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1571211 in Cinder "In multinode setup VM fails to launch due to cinder not checking with all glance api servers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to John Griffith (john-griffith) | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/307750 | 12:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/305224 | 12:28 |
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| sbezverk | My question is: with File as a glance backend and with multiple controllers, what is expected behavior from process requiring glance image, check all glance_api_servers for that image or something else? | 12:42 |
| kairat | so each controller has file back-end, correct? | 12:42 |
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| kairat | In that case I guess you need to ask each controller about image presense | 12:44 |
| kairat | because file backend is local to controller AFAIK | 12:44 |
| kairat | sbezverk, | 12:44 |
| sbezverk | kairat correct | 12:47 |
| sbezverk | kairat btw thank you for your reply | 12:47 |
| kairat | So I haven't seen any code that provides single file back-end for multiple controllers | 12:48 |
| sbezverk | kairat is there a way to find out exactly on which server a specific image resides with one api call? | 12:48 |
| kairat | Oh, I am afraid there is no such possibility | 12:49 |
| sbezverk | kairat example I have 3 controller, controller 1 with image A, controller 2 with image B and controller 3 with image C | 12:49 |
| sbezverk | cinder needs accessing to image C | 12:50 |
| sbezverk | from your point of view how this situation needs to be addressed? | 12:50 |
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| kairat | Let me check glance_store code | 12:54 |
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| sbezverk | kairat thank you, would be great to confirm if it is officially supported, I mean the behavior of asking for image each controller.. | 12:55 |
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| kairat | I am afraid file back-end is not assumed to be used in HA mode | 12:55 |
| kairat | But I need to check that | 12:55 |
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| kairat | ceph, swift and other back-ends does support | 12:56 |
| kairat | But I will double check to be sure | 12:56 |
| sbezverk | kairat if it is not then there should be some doc saying that.. | 12:57 |
| kairat | yeah | 12:57 |
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| kairat | perhaps we need to add it, but it is how local filesystem storage works | 13:05 |
| kairat | I have seen that nfs was used to provide some kind of single file storage for images | 13:06 |
| sbezverk | kairat so in summary. when multiple controllers used as file backend, your code expects that client process will check with each controller, and there is nothing in the code preventinf it, right? | 13:10 |
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| kairat | yeah, each controller assumes that file backend is local | 13:11 |
| kairat | so it searches local folder specified in glance configuration | 13:11 |
| sbezverk | kairat thank you | 13:11 |
| kairat | You can try to use NFS, Ceph or Swift to provide single back-end for multiple controllers | 13:12 |
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| sbezverk | kairat it was more theoretical question..whether it can or cannot be done with file.. In general I use swift for this purpose.. | 13:17 |
| mclaren | it can only be done with file if your filesystem is global, ie all servers see the same files | 13:17 |
| mclaren | otherwise file != HA | 13:18 |
| sbezverk | mclaren understood, we are not talking about glance HA | 13:19 |
| sbezverk | mclaren the question was if client process exmaple cinder has api_server list with several controllers used as file backends, does it have to check with each of them for the image | 13:20 |
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| mclaren | Right ... it's kind of related to HA in the sense that if you deploy something that works like that, failure of any glance server will lose image data. (I'm not sure it's an expected deployment model.) | 13:35 |
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| rosmaita | sbezverk: +1 on what mclaren says about your case not being an expected deployment model | 13:37 |
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| sbezverk | rosmaita mclaren is there any document stating it? | 13:38 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: very possibly not, because it is so unexpected, we didnt' expect to see it :P | 13:39 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: but your point is well-taken, could probably use a mention somewhere | 13:39 |
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| mclaren | sbezverk: rosmaita yeah, tbh this isn't the first time I've seen some queries around the filesystem stuff. I've definitely seen 'why won't my image download' when using the filesystem with multiple servers. | 13:41 |
| sbezverk | rosmaita thank you, the logic is simple here if nothing says you cannot do it and there is actually glance_api_servers list, then assumption was you can do it :-) | 13:42 |
| sbezverk | mclaren for cinder we found out why, they just do not walk the list of api servers, that is what started all these discussions. | 13:43 |
| mclaren | any idea what the list is for? Is it just so they can round robin requests if there is no load balancer or something? | 13:43 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: so this glance_api_servers list is a cinder config option? | 13:45 |
| sbezverk | mclaren I do not think it is for load balancing or round robin as there is no by default image replication with file backend | 13:45 |
| mclaren | sbezverk: some people may be using other stores, in which case round robining is ok (or is cinder's glance_api_servers parameter specific to the filesystem store in some way) | 13:46 |
| sbezverk | rosmaita yep, check this out: http://paste.openstack.org/show/494632/ | 13:46 |
| mclaren | From memory I think nova have the same option | 13:47 |
| sbezverk | mclaren correct and it works fine | 13:47 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: does it really work fine, or is it luck? nova will try 3 boot attempts by default | 13:48 |
| rosmaita | iirc, nova randomly picks a glance server out of hte list | 13:48 |
| sbezverk | mclaren but when we (kolla) wanted cinder folks to fix it the same way as nova, it has made them not too happy | 13:48 |
| mclaren | sbezverk: you're saying nova 'works' with multiple glance servers with independent filesystems? Do you have a link to the code? | 13:48 |
| sbezverk | rosmaita when we hack cinder behavior, everything started working perfectly | 13:49 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: you mean to try all glance servers until you hit the correct one? | 13:49 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: as your "hack", i mean | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | rosmaita: I think we deprecated some of that recently, and moving towards using the service catalog, its worth checking | 13:50 |
| sbezverk | rosmaita exactly | 13:50 |
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| rosmaita | sbezverk: so according to what johnthetubaguy says, it will probably stop working in nova, too | 13:50 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: but, looks like you are correct that someone should mention this somewhere | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | a redirecting loadbalancer is an OK alternative, i.e. a loadbalancer that returns some kind of 3xx response to hand out the specific server IP | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I am not sure all the clients handle that correctly yet | 13:51 |
| rosmaita | johnthetubaguy: the problem is that the LB won't know which glance node to hit | 13:52 |
| mclaren | From a glance point of view I think the only action item right now is to put in a doc note. | 13:52 |
| rosmaita | i think you missed the earlier part of the discussion, each glance node is using filesystem store | 13:52 |
| rosmaita | johnthetubaguy: ^^ | 13:52 |
| sbezverk | rosmaita in this case we in kolla documentation will mention that multinode with glance usign file backend is NOT supported | 13:52 |
| rosmaita | sbezverk: +1 | 13:52 |
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| mclaren | sbezverk: it's supported if you're using a global filesystem, ie the namespace is visible on all nodes | 13:53 |
| mclaren | otherwise, no | 13:53 |
| sbezverk | mclaren agreed and thank you for this chat! | 13:53 |
| mclaren | np! We'd love to see a doc patch :-) | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | rosmaita: OK, but that load balancer (in theory) could return the 302 based on a hash function that is aware of the image-uuid, but we are getting into a world of crazy at that point (I guess we are assuming the filesystem store is not on some NFS share) | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | rosmaita: I am totally missing the context here though | 13:54 |
| rosmaita | johnthetubaguy: exactly, pure local, no NFS | 13:54 |
| rosmaita | johnthetubaguy: it's an unexpected use case, so unexpected we never mention it in docs or anything | 13:54 |
| rosmaita | it's like inverse-HA | 13:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean with one glance server, it makes some sense, but with multiple it gets tricky | 13:55 |
| rosmaita | johnthetubaguy: yep, "tricky" as in requiring some kind of hack | 13:56 |
| rosmaita | your hash function idea is interesting, i was thinking of using something else which i don't even want to mention becasue i dont' want to encourage this kind of configuration! | 13:57 |
| mclaren | I probably shouldn't even say this ... but with image import your 'task' could potentially copy the data to a peer server before marking it 'active'. (Maybe that's what you dind't want to mention?!) | 13:58 |
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| rosmaita | mclaren: that wasnt' what i was thinking, but you could set up an admin task to do that, i guess | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | i was thinking have each api node have a unique datadir (/var/node1/stuff) and expose image location or direct_url option, not sure which | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | but you'd still need custom code on the koalla/cinder end to translate and request from the correct node that had the image | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | since this is a logged channel, I want to go on record that the above is a Really Bad Idea | 14:04 |
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