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| jamielennox | it seems to have been done because requests needed to retry after a 401 - but doesn't swiftclient handle that now? | 02:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darren White proposed openstack/glance: Glance retired images https://review.openstack.org/382981 | 09:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/380053 | 09:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-glanceclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/380583 | 10:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/383109 | 11:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darren White proposed openstack/glance: Glance retired images https://review.openstack.org/382981 | 12:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darren White proposed openstack/glance: Glance purge ignore images table https://review.openstack.org/383732 | 13:20 |
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| rosmaita | darrenswhite: you are a busy person! i'll look over your patches this afternoon | 13:29 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: did we have the follow up now? | 13:31 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: yes | 13:31 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: around? | 13:31 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: how's by you? | 13:32 |
| rosmaita | i see you've been reviewing and approving this morning | 13:32 |
| Jokke_ | Just finished previous call | 13:32 |
| Jokke_ | Give me 2 min please ... just grab quick coffee | 13:32 |
| rosmaita | np | 13:32 |
| darrenswhite | rosmaita: Thanks :) | 13:33 |
| croelandt | hey | 13:34 |
| rosmaita | hello | 13:34 |
| croelandt | yeah, I've looked at the patches | 13:35 |
| rosmaita | erno went to get some coffee, we'll start a bit late | 13:35 |
| croelandt | damn, they're old | 13:35 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 13:35 |
| croelandt | ok with me | 13:35 |
| croelandt | 2 hours till my next call :p | 13:35 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: will you be in barcelona? | 13:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Remove redundant word. https://review.openstack.org/383466 | 13:36 |
| Jokke_ | b | 13:37 |
| rosmaita | ok | 13:38 |
| croelandt | rosmaita: apparently, yes | 13:38 |
| rosmaita | oh, good | 13:38 |
| Jokke_ | thanks for holding the bus ;) | 13:38 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: croelandt: will you both be available on friday afternoon at the design summit? | 13:38 |
| croelandt | I'm much more efficient IRL </sarcasm> :p | 13:38 |
| croelandt | rosmaita: yep | 13:39 |
| croelandt | Writing that down | 13:39 |
| Jokke_ | yeah, I'm flying out at Saturday for reason, not my first summit :P | 13:39 |
| rosmaita | excellent | 13:39 |
| rosmaita | the contributors meetup is 2-6pm, i expect to spend most of that time wiht you two working on image import | 13:40 |
| croelandt | oh | 13:41 |
| croelandt | what is it supposed to be | 13:41 |
| croelandt | this "contributor meetup" ? | 13:41 |
| rosmaita | was wondering whether to do a work session for import, but that won't be necessary if we can spedn the afternoon together | 13:41 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: yes, do you have a conflict? | 13:41 |
| croelandt | noh, I just don't get what it is | 13:41 |
| croelandt | Is it some sort of a Hackathon? | 13:41 |
| rosmaita | oh, it's just a room with a whiteboard and the team can do whatever they like | 13:42 |
| croelandt | oh | 13:42 |
| croelandt | a Hackathon, I see. | 13:42 |
| Jokke_ | croelandt: it's more free form time for contributors of the projects to get together, hack together and talk about things that did not make to the actual agenda or continue those for the ones that ran out of time | 13:42 |
| rosmaita | mostly, follow up from the other sessions | 13:42 |
| croelandt | ok ok | 13:42 |
| rosmaita | (what Jokke_ said) | 13:42 |
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| croelandt | so, import process | 13:43 |
| Jokke_ | because the sessions needs to be pretty formal ... they are really short timeslots and they just transform to chaos in no time :P | 13:43 |
| rosmaita | anyway, my point is, please plan to be awake & sober from 2-6pm, and i will buy the first 2 rounds at 6 pm | 13:43 |
| rosmaita | :) | 13:43 |
| Jokke_ | hahaha! | 13:43 |
| croelandt | I was thinking about re-sending the discovery patch next week, not sure exactly what other patches we should take over | 13:43 |
| rosmaita | ok, let me startmeeting now and you can re-say that | 13:44 |
| croelandt | hehe | 13:44 |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting image import refactor | 13:44 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 7 13:44:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:44 |
| * croelandt writes down "be sober" | 13:44 | |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:44 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'image_import_refactor' | 13:44 |
| croelandt | I was thinking about re-sending the discovery patch next week, not sure exactly what other patches we should take over right now | 13:44 |
| Jokke_ | so looking the patches proposed ... it's all the API stuff without any of the business logic we actually need | 13:44 |
| rosmaita | well, my impression from tuesday was that we'd work inside-out | 13:44 |
| croelandt | logic first, API then | 13:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 13:45 |
| Jokke_ | yeah I would prefer that | 13:45 |
| croelandt | it seems harder to test, but it makes sense | 13:45 |
| rosmaita | well, i think it will take the most tiem to implement | 13:45 |
| croelandt | indeed | 13:45 |
| rosmaita | and we have some design decisions to make | 13:45 |
| Jokke_ | croelandt: not really as all the unit tests are valid from inside out. You really can't test the api if the logic is not there | 13:45 |
| croelandt | I'm just saying that it's harder to make sure we have all the right pieces if we start by writing code that cannot be called | 13:45 |
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| croelandt | Jokke_: right | 13:45 |
| Jokke_ | So it has been agreed that we do touch this via the async | 13:46 |
| croelandt | hm | 13:46 |
| croelandt | not sure I follow | 13:46 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: you mean using tasks? | 13:47 |
| rosmaita | (internally only?) | 13:47 |
| Jokke_ | I mean we do have the task engine that we are gonna utilize | 13:47 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: yes, that was the plan | 13:47 |
| rosmaita | we want to wind up with something extensible | 13:47 |
| Jokke_ | the fact that the tasks api still exists makes the testing of those during development lots easier | 13:47 |
| Jokke_ | so I think we have majority of what's needed to interact with the glance_store in place but I can take the action to verify that | 13:48 |
| Jokke_ | cause that's kind of our bottom most part, how those bytes finally land to the store | 13:48 |
| rosmaita | yes, if possible, the idea is that tasks will be used internally, but the external api will not expose them | 13:49 |
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| Jokke_ | indeed | 13:49 |
| Jokke_ | but how the deprecated tasks api works it will expose them if you know how to poke it | 13:49 |
| Jokke_ | which is fine | 13:49 |
| Jokke_ | it makes the development easier and we have no need nor intention to document/support any of those tasks being accessed via the tasks api | 13:50 |
| croelandt | ok | 13:51 |
| rosmaita | one of the items stuart had identified was that the current tasks "know too much" about glance | 13:51 |
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| rosmaita | we may need to provide a more well-defined interface for operators | 13:51 |
| rosmaita | becasue the idea is that they can write custom flows into taskflow to process the imported bits | 13:52 |
| Jokke_ | Well that's how it was designed ... Only thing we realistically can do is to build filter that permits any access to the tasks outside of the originally released ones, which is moronic as that would render any task someone has written and using via the deprecated api useless | 13:53 |
| rosmaita | good point | 13:53 |
| Jokke_ | so what comes to that, we might need to try to figure out how the flows are compiled form individual tasks and where those tasks and flow descriptions are stored | 13:53 |
| rosmaita | maybe i need to take an operator survey of who's using tasks and what for | 13:54 |
| rosmaita | was going to do one about image sharing | 13:54 |
| rosmaita | and image locations | 13:54 |
| Jokke_ | well it's deprecated, admin only by default api. I'd say we just don't touch it | 13:54 |
| Jokke_ | like tasks api should not be any concern anymore. as long as it keeps "working" when we poke the internals | 13:55 |
| rosmaita | ok | 13:55 |
| Jokke_ | but I think extending/refactoring/what-so-ever around our task engine is the secondary goal after we have got the functionality of image import together | 13:56 |
| rosmaita | so, i will admit up front that i'm not very familiar with taskflow | 13:56 |
| croelandt | +1 | 13:56 |
| Jokke_ | as long as we keep in mind that it's gonna happen and don't rely any crazy thing of it | 13:56 |
| rosmaita | how about you, Jokke_ and croelandt ? | 13:56 |
| croelandt | nor the task API for that matters | 13:56 |
| rosmaita | and, yes +1 for functionality of import first, | 13:57 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: I did review lots of that code when Flavio implemented it but haven't really touched since so I need to take a look and refresh | 13:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Darja Shakhray proposed openstack/glance_store: Replace is not correct debug message. https://review.openstack.org/383745 | 13:57 |
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| rosmaita | ok | 13:59 |
| rosmaita | what's our next step, before tuesday? | 14:00 |
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| croelandt | well | 14:01 |
| Jokke_ | so very first step I'd like to see us having task that can upload the image data from staging area. Not care about the size constrains of it or anything like that, just taking Image ID, pulling those bits from the stage, uploading them to the store and updating the image | 14:01 |
| croelandt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-ocata-image-import-sync | 14:01 |
| croelandt | let's put that in the etherpad once we agree on something | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: good point | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: do we use the tasks work_dir as the staging area for now? | 14:03 |
| Jokke_ | then implementing the stage handling. So that our tasks have interface to store their working data to the stage and pick it up from there (this should be in there for current tasks already as well) | 14:03 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: I was thinking of dropping stage_uri to the config and start using that from the beginning | 14:03 |
| Jokke_ | so I don't want to call it path, because we might want to use glance_store for handling our staging at some point, or some other staging driver so I'd rather have it universal so we don't need to change it again in 2 cycles ;) | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | that's an interesing idea ... so the stage could be file:/// or a swift container or anything that could be represented by a uri | 14:05 |
| Jokke_ | yeah; file, cinder volume, ceph cluster, <pick your piece of favorite cake> | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | that sounds good | 14:06 |
| Jokke_ | as discussed on the initial design, we might not want to have staging tied to the node local filesystem for various reasons | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | agreed | 14:07 |
| Jokke_ | and while for the initial iteration it's definitely is gonna be local FS path, we don't want to it to that for anything admin/user facing | 14:07 |
| Jokke_ | so lets try to pick any naming of options, etc so that we don't need to deprecate them in Pike :P | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:09 |
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| Jokke_ | Very first thing 'though | 14:11 |
| Jokke_ | What gerrit topic we start using for the patches | 14:11 |
| Jokke_ | lets make sure we have everything easily discovered | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:11 |
| croelandt | feature/image-import | 14:11 |
| Jokke_ | Sounds good to me | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i like it | 14:12 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: mind to throw # agreed for the meeting logs | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/380053 | 14:12 |
| Jokke_ | I'm not sure if the bot takes those only from chair | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | #agreed use 'feature/image-import' as gerrit topic | 14:13 |
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| Jokke_ | Should we take until Tue all of us just to get familiar with the current state of the taskflow and agree specific work items then? | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | not sure that did anything | 14:14 |
| Jokke_ | something nice night reading for the weekend :P | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | makes sense to me | 14:14 |
| Jokke_ | #help | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | we could vote on it | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #startvote use 'feature/image-import' as the gerrit topic for this work | 14:15 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | maybe not | 14:15 |
| croelandt | oh come on, let's not vote | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #startvote use 'feature/image-import' as the gerrit topic for this work ? yes, no | 14:15 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: use 'feature/image-import' as the gerrit topic for this work ? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 14:16 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:16 |
| croelandt | #vote yes | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | well at least that's the command for the bot, dunno if it's currently reacting or if it's just the chair | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | #vote yes | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | #endvote | 14:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "use 'feature/image-import' as the gerrit topic for this work ?" Results are | 14:16 |
| openstack | yes (3): croelandt, Jokke_, rosmaita | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | well, it's recorded | 14:17 |
| Jokke_ | yeah | 14:17 |
| croelandt | do we really need that? :p | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | we want to be completely transparent :) | 14:17 |
| Jokke_ | croelandt: that's just if people don't obther to read the full meeting log, that will highlight it in the summary | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | ok, i like erno's suggestion to read up on taskflow | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: how is your taskflow-fu ? | 14:18 |
| croelandt | rosmaita: looked at taskflow once, wanted to die iirc | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Darren White proposed openstack/glance: Glance purge insecure warning https://review.openstack.org/383757 | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | croelandt: that is a but unpromising | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | *bit | 14:19 |
| croelandt | yeah, kinda | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | #action read up on taskflow (but get in a good mood first) | 14:20 |
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| croelandt | heheh | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, well that gives us something to do to keep up momentum | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | anything else? | 14:21 |
| Jokke_ | yeah, I'll look into the first staging bits as well. I think as we have only 2 working days, it's pretty much all we can expect for now | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | ok, sounds good | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | hopefully, Jokke_ and croelandt were not netsplit? | 14:22 |
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| Jokke_ | nope | 14:22 |
| Jokke_ | still here | 14:23 |
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| rosmaita | not sure about cyril | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | well, i'll update the etherpad | 14:23 |
| Jokke_ | sure | 14:23 |
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| croelandt | re | 14:24 |
| croelandt | yep, like 1.5 days to look into taskflow | 14:24 |
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| Jokke_ | indeed so lets keep it on that | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | not a lot of time really, so let's see how it goes | 14:25 |
| Jokke_ | And obviously we can adhoc in between if needed | 14:25 |
| croelandt | next meeting on Tuesday, what time? | 14:25 |
| Jokke_ | I think that was rolling Tue 13:30 UTC | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | just noticed that it doesn't say on the etherpad! | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | think it was 14:00 | 14:26 |
| Jokke_ | it's in the mailing list anyways | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | that's true | 14:26 |
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| rosmaita | [openstack-dev] [glance] image import sync - Tuesdays 14:00 UTC | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, see you both on tuesday! | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 7 14:27:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/image_import_refactor/2016/image_import_refactor.2016-10-07-13.44.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/image_import_refactor/2016/image_import_refactor.2016-10-07-13.44.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/image_import_refactor/2016/image_import_refactor.2016-10-07-13.44.log.html | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | shoot, used the wrong meeting topic | 14:28 |
| Jokke_ | aargh :P | 14:28 |
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| rosmaita | Jokke_: #agreed did work | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | and your #help showed up in there, too | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/image_import_refactor/2016/image_import_refactor.2016-10-07-13.44.html | 14:30 |
| Jokke_ | graah | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | well, i'll be a little better organized next time | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | Jokke_: #help - Add a "Call for Help" to the minutes. Use this command when you need to recruit someone to do a task. (Counter-intuitively, this doesn't provide help on the bot) | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:40 |
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| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: good morning! | 16:01 |
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| rosmaita | hope you are not a netsplit victim | 16:01 |
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| tsymanczyk | rosmaita : buenas viernes! am here. | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | great | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | me too, for a change | 16:04 |
| tsymanczyk | the first patchset is up-to-date as far as comments go the feedback seems positive, and the status of the second one is going to strongly depend on this meeting. :) a lot rests on the v1 back compat plan | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | ok, i put some comments on your etherpad: | 16:04 |
| tsymanczyk | it seemed yesterday like you had things to say about it | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-images-work-items | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | lines 33-46 | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | more observations than a plan forward | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | let me give you a few min to look, then we can discuss | 16:05 |
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| tsymanczyk | rosmaita : okay, so you mention wanting to preserve the v1 behaviour which absolutely i'm 100% in agreement with. | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think it will lead to some weirdness, but we can suggest that operators only use/expose v2 for sharing from Ocata on | 16:09 |
| tsymanczyk | in what way does is_public== false -> visibility=private preserve behaviour that using the shared visibility for is_public does not? | 16:09 |
| tsymanczyk | (using shared for is_public=false) | 16:09 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm by no means married to my old idea, but if we're going to make things "harder" i'd like to understand the objective reasoning. | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | sure | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | and i could be wrong, so it's good to make me say | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | i think when you do is_public <- false on the v1 side, you'd expect the image to be private in v2 | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | so for instance | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | suppose someone does the v2 thing where you load up the image with members but keep visibility == private so you can "release" it at some point | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | and then someone thinks, i better make sure this image is private, and uses v1 to set is_public <- false | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | the image is "released" | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | on the other hand | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | if someone uses v1 to add a member, then visibility <- shared immediately anyway | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | so you can't do the delayed release thing if you use v1 | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | so it looks like a problem either way | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | ok | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | my other concern has to do with what's included in the image list | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | GET v2/images?visibility=shared will include "extra" images that don't have any members | 16:15 |
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| rosmaita | but maybe that's not a big deal | 16:16 |
| tsymanczyk | i agree that that private-pre-load case would be concerning if we still had the open can of worms regarding state transitions. but in order to get the spec out when we chose to get it out, (as written in the spec) we deferred all design for state transitions to a future spec and opted to go with "the current behaviour" (namely that only an image in a shared | 16:16 |
| tsymanczyk | visibility state can add / list / remove members, and changing from state to state doesn't affect the member list). | 16:16 |
| tsymanczyk | so that specific case isn't actually possible. | 16:16 |
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| tsymanczyk | your other concern is 100% correct, but going forward i thought that's the paradigm we wanted to push. | 16:17 |
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| rosmaita | guess i need to reread the spec! | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | ok that's good | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | so in order to add members, you *must* set viz <- shared first? | 16:18 |
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| rosmaita | (in v2) | 16:18 |
| tsymanczyk | my biggest concern with your comments in the etherpad is that the behaviours between v1 and v2 will have different (side)effects, which to me is a ... hard pill to swallow. v2 would not be able to add a member to private-image-0123, but v1 could. and then talking about what to do when the last member is removed, that's a whole other can of worms. how do we | 16:19 |
| tsymanczyk | know how the image "got there"? if it was shared +members because of an explicit set-to shared, then i feel like flopping back to private would violate integrity. but if it was a v1 implicit set then sure that'd make sense. | 16:19 |
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| tsymanczyk | yes, exactly. only viz==shared can add or list or remove members. | 16:19 |
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| tsymanczyk | member lists are not touched when the image goes to the other states, but they cannot be affected or viewed unless the image is shared. | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, great | 16:20 |
| tsymanczyk | the old message was something like "public images do not have members" when attempting to get/set, the new message is something like "only shared images have members". | 16:21 |
| tsymanczyk | what are your other big concerns? | 16:21 |
| tsymanczyk | or small | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | i guess i'm worried about the database migration | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | setting all is_public==0 to 'shared' | 16:22 |
| tsymanczyk | having to educate the users that "visibility=shared" is actually 100% equiv to the old "visibility=private" is undeniably a downside, yes. and your point about having shared-vis images that aren't actually "being shared" is also 100% correct. | 16:23 |
| tsymanczyk | (in regards to doing a list with a filter of visibility=shared) | 16:23 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm still championing it though, because (to me), it gives us 100% backwards compat for literally almost free. | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | yes, and you should stick with that | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | i am wondering whether the default visibility upon creation should be 'shared' | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | (instead of private) | 16:25 |
| tsymanczyk | i'd also been wondering that - was going to bring it up after we sorted the basics out. | 16:25 |
| tsymanczyk | i don't see a "wrong" answer, mostly just whichever paradigm you think is best. | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | because it means "sharable" using the usal member calls | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | and if you really want it private, you can do that in v2 | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | and if there are no members, it's functionally private | 16:26 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm trying to imagine the headspace of someone who just doesn't bother specifying the visibility of a new image. would they more appreciate being saved-from-themselves (private), or would they more appreciate the behaviour remaining the same as before. (create image with default values, add a member, he look it's shared) | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | but that would mess up the image-list calls | 16:27 |
| tsymanczyk | how? | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | (that was continuing my thought, not responding to yours) | 16:27 |
| tsymanczyk | right | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | well, the default image-list contains: public, private, and images shared with me | 16:28 |
| tsymanczyk | but going forward, don't we want to get the message out there that shared is now a "real" visibility / along with the new community? that's something we should be advertising, not hiding, no? | 16:28 |
| tsymanczyk | indeed | 16:28 |
| tsymanczyk | (also 'shared' and 'community' images that you own) | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's what i was going to ask | 16:29 |
| rosmaita | let me make sure i understand correctly | 16:29 |
| tsymanczyk | right now the only way to see a community image in an image list is to either own it or filter vis=comm | 16:29 |
| tsymanczyk | sure | 16:29 |
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| rosmaita | when i do a default image list call, what will i see in there? | 16:30 |
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| tsymanczyk | all public images, all private images that are owned by the current project, all 'shared' and 'community' images that are own by the current project, and all 'shared' images that have the current project as an ACCEPTED member. | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | great | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | so if we did the 'shared-viz-by-default' thing, the content of the default image list wouldn't change | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | excellent | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | now, suppose i want to see *my* images that are in viz==shared, what call whould i make? | 16:32 |
| tsymanczyk | h'uh, good question. | 16:33 |
| tsymanczyk | i have to think about that for a second. | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | ok | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | may be GET v2/images?visibility=shared&owner=<my_project_id> | 16:35 |
| tsymanczyk | that'd be my guess. reading how the code was and how i'd been evolving it, it seems like visibility=shared would give you both the ones you own AND the ones shared with you (that you've accepted) | 16:36 |
| * stevelle is trying to catch up on this interesting conversation | 16:36 | |
| tsymanczyk | which is not to say the way i've done it is the way it SHOULD BE. but i'm going with the principle of smallest change possible, and that seems to be what i've ended up with. | 16:36 |
| tsymanczyk | always happy to write more for a good reason. | 16:37 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i shoudl be clear i'm not complaining, i'm just thinking/exploring | 16:37 |
| tsymanczyk | perfect | 16:37 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: please read back though, we could use your input | 16:38 |
| stevelle | I'm about 15 min behind in the scrollback still but working through it | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | i'm not sure there is currently an easy way for me to see images that i own that are currently shared with people! | 16:40 |
| stevelle | I was just contemplating the idea of exposing the number of shares in image details... | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | yes, that's an interesting idea | 16:41 |
| stevelle | shared, 0 shares tells you a LOT | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | we kept the member-list out of the image response because it would have to be paged, probably | 16:41 |
| stevelle | exactly rosmaita | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | and it didn't seem like the kind of thing you'd want to see in every image detail response | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | but has_members, or member_count is a good idea | 16:42 |
| tsymanczyk | i assume the count would only include 'accepted' members? | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | well, that's why i'm thinking maybe has_members | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | because whether accepted or not, the consumer can still use the image | 16:43 |
| tsymanczyk | ah, i get it. | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | but has_members would give you an easy way to know whether someone other than you could consume the image right now | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | viz==shared, has_members=false | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | or viz==shared, has_members=true | 16:44 |
| rosmaita | and could be used in filtering | 16:44 |
| stevelle | the counts become nuanced if we get into it. private images might have "pre-designated" members, and shared can have "eligable" and "accepted" ... it could get complex | 16:45 |
| stevelle | not sure how much value there is in that though | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 16:45 |
| stevelle | just count eligables :P | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | well, i'm thinking of our search filters | 16:46 |
| rosmaita | you did some work on those recently | 16:46 |
| rosmaita | coudl we ask for images where member_count != 0 ? | 16:46 |
| stevelle | I don't see why not | 16:47 |
| stevelle | more reason right there to only consider one type of count | 16:47 |
| rosmaita | which makes me think the boolean might be better | 16:47 |
| stevelle | order_by member_count would be meaningful | 16:47 |
| rosmaita | because what you're interested in is, can someone other than me consume this image or not? | 16:47 |
| rosmaita | true | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | find out which images are popular | 16:48 |
| stevelle | I can imagine seeing member_count > 8 or something | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | ok, we can figure out the exact details later | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | but it does seem like we need some kind of "marker" on the image | 16:48 |
| rosmaita | becasue 'shared' visibility really means "shareable, or already shared" | 16:49 |
| rosmaita | and no way to know without making another call to see how many members | 16:49 |
| stevelle | really, that isn't so bad either | 16:49 |
| stevelle | it's restful | 16:50 |
| rosmaita | i don't think there's a way right now to say, give me a list of my images that have members on them | 16:50 |
| stevelle | as for visibility on new images, I'm inclined to retain behavior which suggests using 'shared' | 16:51 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: are you pulling your hair out yet? | 16:51 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: i'm coming around to that way of thining | 16:51 |
| rosmaita | *thinking | 16:51 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm just happy we're making progress towards an answer. | 16:52 |
| tsymanczyk | whether i'll have time for these new ideas before i get pulled off the project, i can't say. | 16:52 |
| stevelle | I'm laughing as I go through this, because there is clearly no one right answer | 16:52 |
| rosmaita | i think the key question is, if i create a bunch of images and they're all 'visibility == 'shared', which ones actually have members? | 16:53 |
| stevelle | rosmaita: personally, I would suggest that supporting the has_members or member_count idea be deferred to a following patch set | 16:53 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: agreed | 16:54 |
| stevelle | it isn't truly critical but it really is helpful | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | just want to make sure we have a way forward | 16:54 |
| stevelle | +1 | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | becasue once all images are created 'shared', that will be the next question | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | but, i am liking where this is going | 16:54 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: i'll need to think some more, but i think your proposal makes a lot of sense | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | we get v1 compatability | 16:55 |
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| rosmaita | and, also v1 | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | not what i mean tto say | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | saw david-lyle_ join and it reminded me, what will horizon think? | 16:55 |
| rosmaita | so horizon was kind of bummed about the 2-stage sharing workflow change | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | we are eliminating that, which they should like | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | the other issue they had was the tabbed image display | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | they have tabs for public, mine, and shared-with-me | 16:56 |
| rosmaita | i think currently, mine==private | 16:57 |
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| rosmaita | i'll take an action item to talk to horizon about our proposal | 16:57 |
| rosmaita | ok, tsymanczyk looks like you have a way forward | 16:58 |
| rosmaita | the best part is the additional work will be only in v2 | 16:58 |
| tsymanczyk | fantastic | 16:58 |
| stevelle | aaaand, doesnt' seem like too much feature creep | 16:58 |
| rosmaita | not too much | 16:59 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: dyk creating images in viz==shared is a breaking change? | 16:59 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: i will send out a reminder to the ML about the priorities we discussed yesterday, namely, to get more eyes on your work pronto | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | and i think nikhil shoudl be back soon to give us a sanity check | 17:01 |
| stevelle | rosmaita: it is breaking in API but behavior is closest as I was seeing it | 17:01 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: me too | 17:01 |
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| rosmaita | api wg is fairly pragmatica aobut this kind of thing | 17:01 |
| rosmaita | they were ok with the change in sharing workflow, which we are sort of pulling back | 17:02 |
| rosmaita | "sort of" in the sense that if you make a shared image private, you must make it shared again before you can add members | 17:03 |
| rosmaita | anyway, our quick sync has turned into a 1 hour meeting | 17:03 |
| stevelle | so if you have members on a shared and set it private what happens to members | 17:03 |
| rosmaita | they stay | 17:03 |
| rosmaita | member list persists through viz transitions | 17:03 |
| rosmaita | it's just inert in any visibility except shared | 17:04 |
| tsymanczyk | Yep. | 17:04 |
| rosmaita | we figured that was the safest way to handle it | 17:04 |
| stevelle | and members can still be added while private? | 17:04 |
| rosmaita | no, only in shared state | 17:04 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: am i right about that? | 17:04 |
| stevelle | that is awkward but not really wrong | 17:04 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, it doesn't allow for loading up a member list, and then doing a "release" of your shared image later | 17:05 |
| stevelle | and what I thought I understood | 17:05 |
| tsymanczyk | Yes. The old behavior was to error with "public images do not have mementos". The new error is "only shares images have members" when trying to add/list/etc members | 17:05 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: was your last statement closing your previous thought, or introducing a new thought yet to be typed? | 17:07 |
| stevelle | closing | 17:07 |
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| rosmaita | cool, i had misinterpreted | 17:07 |
| rosmaita | was waiting anxiously for your next comment! | 17:07 |
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| stevelle | it reaffirmed my understanding | 17:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, great | 17:08 |
| rosmaita | so action items are: | 17:08 |
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| rosmaita | tsymanczyk: keep doing what you're doing | 17:08 |
| tsymanczyk | Cool | 17:08 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: rosmaita: keep thinking aobut the create image in viz shared idea | 17:08 |
| stevelle | will do | 17:09 |
| rosmaita | rosmaita: talk to horizon folks about implications of this for them | 17:09 |
| rosmaita | rosmaita: send reminder to ML to prioritize community images reviews | 17:09 |
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| rosmaita | i think that's it? | 17:09 |
| rosmaita | i forgot to do "startmeeting" but this is all logged anyway | 17:10 |
| tsymanczyk | I'm out of stuff to say | 17:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks for a productive sync! | 17:10 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: ty also | 17:10 |
| tsymanczyk | Thank you! | 17:10 |
| rosmaita | i have a dog who needs walking, ttyl | 17:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maxim Nestratov proposed openstack/glance-specs: Expand hypervisor_type metadata with Virtuozzo hypervisor https://review.openstack.org/383024 | 17:30 |
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| mfedosin | jroll: welcome :) it's Friday anyway | 18:02 |
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