| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/horizon master: Remove retired projects from plugin list https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951056 | 01:37 |
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| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/horizon master: Update bug tracker for ironic UI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951057 | 01:39 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 07:42 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 07:54 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/horizon master: Instances replaced to Servers | Part 1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/950966 | 08:38 |
| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/horizon master: Update bug tracker for ironic UI https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951057 | 08:56 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/horizon master: Instances replaced to Servers | Part 1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/950966 | 10:02 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 10:06 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 10:07 |
| opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/horizon master: Skip tests for plugin-registry.csv update https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951109 | 10:12 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 10:27 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/horizon master: Instances replaced to Servers | Part 1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/950966 | 10:38 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 11:14 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 11:39 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 12:20 |
| anfimovir | hello | 14:58 |
| jjasek | Hello everyone :-) | 14:59 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:02 |
| omcgonag | o/ | 15:02 |
| tmazur | #startmeeting horizon | 15:03 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed May 28 15:03:13 2025 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmazur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:03 |
| tmazur | Hello everyone and welcome to the weekly meeting! | 15:03 |
| chubinidzedr | Hi ;) | 15:03 |
| tmazur | Today's agenda is here: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-release-priorities#L40 | 15:04 |
| tmazur | Thanks anfimovir :) | 15:04 |
| anfimovir | np ;)) | 15:04 |
| anfimovir | We can start from one open question | 15:05 |
| anfimovir | 950966: Instances replaced to Servers | Part 1 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/950966 | 15:06 |
| anfimovir | What do your think about? | 15:06 |
| tmazur | We can talk about it right after we follow the order :) | 15:07 |
| tmazur | #topic Notices | 15:07 |
| anfimovir | sorry | 15:07 |
| tmazur | Schedule reminder: this week is R-18 week. Flamingo Schedule: https://releases.openstack.org/flamingo/schedule.html | 15:08 |
| tmazur | Nothing urgent is happening right now, Flamingo-2 is in the beginning of July | 15:09 |
| tmazur | I missed last week since I was on PTO, so we cut Flamingo-1 just yesterday | 15:10 |
| tmazur | So all the recent changes are included as well | 15:11 |
| tmazur | Moving forward | 15:12 |
| tmazur | #topic Release priorities | 15:12 |
| tmazur | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-release-priorities#L44 | 15:13 |
| tmazur | jjasek thanks for your reviews | 15:13 |
| chubinidzedr | I'd like to discuss moving to Font Awesome 6:) | 15:13 |
| chubinidzedr | otherwise it will be stuck for a long time | 15:13 |
| rdopiera | when did that become a release priority? | 15:13 |
| anfimovir | this create problems with source installation, no problem, moved to open reviews ;) | 15:14 |
| tmazur | rdopiera you're right. anfimovir, chubinidzedr we try to keep release priorities clean and clear. If it's anything urgent, we can put it in open reviews on the top | 15:15 |
| anfimovir | sorry, ok | 15:16 |
| tmazur | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/949141 <--- rdopiera, jjasek what do you think about this one? | 15:16 |
| rdopiera | the instance password and volume type are also not priorities for this cycle? | 15:17 |
| anfimovir | Radomir, done, moved too. | 15:17 |
| tmazur | yes | 15:17 |
| rdopiera | we can make things priorities, but it requires some agreement | 15:18 |
| rdopiera | tmazur: what's the process for this, shouldn't we have a warning first? | 15:18 |
| tmazur | Priorities usually are being discussed on PTG | 15:18 |
| jjasek | tmazur, sorry I did not review/test this Drop support patch yet. | 15:18 |
| rdopiera | when we deprecate settings and such, we usually have a warning one release in advance, I think dropping support for a python version is even more important? | 15:19 |
| tmazur | So we don't just add new priorities without discussion | 15:19 |
| tmazur | rdopiera, sure | 15:20 |
| tmazur | I was asking do we want to prioritize a warning for this cycle? | 15:20 |
| rdopiera | anfimovir: is there an urgent need to drop python 3.9? | 15:20 |
| tmazur | anfimovir also please add more information into the commit message. Usually we add links to the agreements and reasons we deprecate things | 15:21 |
| anfimovir | Python 3.9 already dropped from nova side, we can do it until flamingo release. | 15:22 |
| anfimovir | [2]https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/runtimes/2025.2.html#python | 15:23 |
| anfimovir | @tmazur, ok, no problem | 15:23 |
| tmazur | anfimovir thanks | 15:23 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/horizon master: Drop support for Python 3.9 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/949141 | 15:24 |
| anfimovir | commit message updated | 15:24 |
| rdopiera | but other than "others are doing it", is there a technical reason for it? do we need to use some feature that doesn't work on 3.9? | 15:27 |
| anfimovir | from this side, you right. | 15:27 |
| noonedeadpunk | I think djhango 5.0 does not support py39 anyway? | 15:28 |
| noonedeadpunk | at least according to their docs | 15:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | #link https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.2/faq/install/#what-python-version-can-i-use-with-django | 15:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | and seemingly there's no support for 3.13 otherwise | 15:29 |
| rdopiera | are we switching to django 5.0 this cycle? | 15:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | I guess it depends if you want to add py3.13 support | 15:30 |
| rdopiera | I think it's useful to have the 3.9 tests running, if only to see when they start to fail because something we depend on doesn't support 3.9 | 15:30 |
| rdopiera | we will need to add py3.13 tests anyways | 15:30 |
| noonedeadpunk | but Django 4.2 has no 3.13 | 15:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | so it looks like either 3.9 or 3.13 | 15:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | basically EL9 or Debian 13 choice :) | 15:31 |
| rdopiera | "This is not mandatory testing in the 2025.2 cycle, and there is no guarantee that the OpenStack 2025.2 release will support Python 3.13." | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah, right, it's optional | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | it's up to project to decide | 15:32 |
| rdopiera | so looks like we have one more cycle, we should probably make django 5.0 a release priority for G | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | just highlighting that there's unlikely a possibility to have both | 15:32 |
| noonedeadpunk | and also it's Django>=5.1.3 | 15:33 |
| rdopiera | thanks, that's valuable information | 15:33 |
| noonedeadpunk | 5.0 have neither of them | 15:33 |
| rdopiera | we will have to take it into account when planning the next cycle | 15:33 |
| noonedeadpunk | ++ | 15:33 |
| tmazur | Thanks noonedeadpunk | 15:34 |
| noonedeadpunk | btw. Django 4.2 seems to EOL before 2025.2 will EOL | 15:35 |
| tmazur | So if we prioritize Django 5.1.3 for G, we can for now do a warning about 3.9 | 15:35 |
| noonedeadpunk | so in case of discovered CVE in Django, it would be not a pleasent situation | 15:36 |
| rdopiera | tmazur: a release not would be sufficient, I guess? | 15:36 |
| noonedeadpunk | `Django 4.2 LTS security support ends in April 2026` | 15:36 |
| rdopiera | noonedeadpunk: personally it's nothing new for me, I keep backporting cve patches for the older versions of horizon that we still support all the time | 15:37 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah, you probably can monkey patch some things in horizon... | 15:38 |
| rdopiera | absolutely not | 15:38 |
| noonedeadpunk | but how are you covering Django vulnarabilities i nHorizon then? | 15:39 |
| noonedeadpunk | anyway, this is probably a different discussion for a different time :) | 15:39 |
| rdopiera | noonedeadpunk: I backport django patches to older versions of django that we package with the open stack distribution | 15:39 |
| tmazur | cve patches very rarely have conflicts actually | 15:40 |
| tmazur | so we just backport | 15:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | um. so you sugest all horizon users to maintain own forks of Django and backport on their own? | 15:40 |
| rdopiera | noonedeadpunk: or they could pay us to do it for them ;-) | 15:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | right | 15:41 |
| rdopiera | but no, I'm not | 15:41 |
| rdopiera | but there is no good solution here, is there? | 15:41 |
| tmazur | Anyway, we will prioritize 5.1.3 for G | 15:41 |
| noonedeadpunk | except prioritizing 5.1.3 - no, there's not | 15:41 |
| noonedeadpunk | and yeah | 15:41 |
| rdopiera | we are not going to be able to swtich to django 5.1 this cycle, it's too late for such large changes | 15:41 |
| tmazur | And try to release it in G-1 | 15:41 |
| noonedeadpunk | I agree that non-SLURP will go EOL very fast | 15:41 |
| tmazur | It's before EOL | 15:42 |
| tmazur | Ok, let's move to the next topic. | 15:45 |
| tmazur | #topic Bug deputy report | 15:46 |
| tmazur | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-release-priorities#L52 | 15:46 |
| tmazur | rdopiera thanks for your review, I'll need to take a look as well | 15:49 |
| tmazur | anfimovir do you want to discuss your open question now? | 15:49 |
| anfimovir | Yes | 15:50 |
| anfimovir | It seems to me that the decision on swift looks strange, we support one option, but the other one is the same (the difference is not big) - no. | 15:51 |
| tmazur | #topic Open discussion | 15:51 |
| tmazur | Could you please elaborate? | 15:51 |
| anfimovir | Please find time read both case in bug deputy | 15:52 |
| anfimovir | We can back to this question in next week. | 15:52 |
| tmazur | Ok | 15:52 |
| anfimovir | I have talk about | 15:52 |
| anfimovir | Open questions 950966: Instances replaced to Servers | Part 1 | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/950966 | 15:52 |
| noonedeadpunk | I think I tried to raise my confusion/proposal regarding Instances naming back in e0ne PTL days, but there was some argument against that, alike to term being well established in Horizon. | 15:55 |
| tmazur | Same with project/tenants | 15:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | But this still does not dissolve the fact, that it's a very unique in the platform as a whole, as the term is not used anywhere | 15:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | well, project/tenants is a bit different | 15:56 |
| anfimovir | Tenants already complete replaced to Projects | 15:56 |
| anfimovir | We finish it in 2025.2 | 15:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | It's incomplete migration between terms | 15:56 |
| noonedeadpunk | as in keystonev2 api they were named as tenants iirc | 15:57 |
| noonedeadpunk | But I can't recall nova calling servers as instances... | 15:57 |
| anfimovir | Instance/Server really create problems for users. | 15:57 |
| noonedeadpunk | Could be I joined openstack too late to remember that ofc | 15:57 |
| tmazur | I wasn't there either when the decision was made | 15:58 |
| tmazur | Is there any documentation for reference? Probably not? | 15:58 |
| noonedeadpunk | meaning, we can have another round of discussion about it :D | 15:58 |
| tmazur | I would suggest the ext PTG | 15:58 |
| anfimovir | Radomir, what do you think about? | 15:58 |
| tmazur | Discussions "in person" are always way more productive | 15:58 |
| noonedeadpunk | about previous round of this topic which was years ago? Even if it was documented, I will never-ever find it | 15:59 |
| noonedeadpunk | It was somewhere around 2017 or 2016... | 15:59 |
| tmazur | I was not much with Horizon at this interval, so I was not there | 15:59 |
| rdopiera | anfimovir: personally I think we have more important things to fix, but I won't reject such changes if someomne else wants to do the work | 16:00 |
| anfimovir | Ok, I do it in next week.. | 16:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | the only concerns here, is that the change will invalidate docs, some guides with screenshots, etc | 16:00 |
| noonedeadpunk | translations | 16:00 |
| rdopiera | anfimovir: I'm on pto next month | 16:01 |
| tmazur | anfimovir it will be also helpful to write it to mailing list | 16:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | nothing too terrible, but amount might be big | 16:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | great point tmazur | 16:01 |
| tmazur | Anyway, let's talk next time, I have another meeting to join | 16:01 |
| tmazur | Thanks everyone for joining and good discussions! | 16:01 |
| noonedeadpunk | thanks for handling the meeting! | 16:01 |
| tmazur | See you next week! | 16:02 |
| jjasek | Thank you, bye bye! | 16:02 |
| anfimovir | See you. | 16:02 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 16:02 |
| tmazur | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed May 28 16:02:13 2025 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/horizon/2025/horizon.2025-05-28-15.03.html | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/horizon/2025/horizon.2025-05-28-15.03.txt | 16:02 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/horizon/2025/horizon.2025-05-28-15.03.log.html | 16:02 |
| gboutry | Thank you! | 16:02 |
| chubinidzedr | goodbye! | 16:02 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/horizon master: Adds changing instance password support https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/horizon/+/951089 | 20:28 |
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