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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/i18n: Create I18n Contributor Guide configuration https://review.openstack.org/241103 | 02:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/i18n: Add doc tool chain https://review.openstack.org/241804 | 02:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/i18n: Create I18n Contributor Guide configuration https://review.openstack.org/241103 | 03:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/i18n: Add doc tool chain https://review.openstack.org/241804 | 03:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/i18n: Add doc tool chain https://review.openstack.org/241804 | 04:03 |
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| Daisy | I18n meeting will be started soon in the channel #openstack-meeting | 06:00 |
| adiantum | ok | 06:00 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: if you have time, could you check i18n repo reviews? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/i18n,n,z | 07:30 |
| Daisy | on a phone | 07:30 |
| amotoki | np :) | 07:30 |
| amotoki | once we have merged these, we can add doc check job to the gate and move forward more. | 07:31 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: there ? | 11:57 |
| amotoki | Daisy: here :) | 11:57 |
| Daisy | Hi | 11:57 |
| Daisy | I don't understand why bring doc tool chain to i18n repo. | 11:58 |
| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241804/ | 11:58 |
| Daisy | to build i18n-contributor-guide ? | 11:58 |
| amotoki | yes | 12:00 |
| Daisy | is it necessary ? | 12:01 |
| amotoki | I think we need more discussion on whether we should support multiple documents or a single doc. | 12:01 |
| amotoki | I just try to generate a rendered document first, but we can discuss. | 12:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n: Add README https://review.openstack.org/240519 | 12:02 |
| amotoki | the one option is a way adopted in openstack-manuals (which kato-san is familiar with). | 12:04 |
| amotoki | the other option is a way adopted in most project (i.e. a single document). | 12:04 |
| amotoki | anyway we need to prepare a way to generate a rendered document (and possibly a POT file). | 12:07 |
| Daisy | Looking at the blueprint now. | 12:08 |
| amotoki | I have no time to work on it next week. Feel free to cook it :-) | 12:08 |
| Daisy | amotoki: is it possible to use multiple RST but single document ? | 12:09 |
| Daisy | I mean, single document built on multiple RST. | 12:10 |
| amotoki | of course yes | 12:10 |
| Daisy | I prefer single document. | 12:10 |
| amotoki | if so, the directory structure will be like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source | 12:11 |
| amotoki | or http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/infra-manual/tree/doc/source | 12:11 |
| Daisy | The contents listed in the blueprint are not too much for multiple documents. | 12:11 |
| amotoki | Daisy: IIRC you mentioned we can have glossary in the repo. | 12:12 |
| amotoki | i am not sure how we can handle it. | 12:12 |
| Daisy | glossary will be stored in a pot file. And all the translations are po files. In the future, I hope to set up the syncronization scripts between glossary file in i18n repo and glossary translation page in Zanata. | 12:13 |
| amotoki | I agree that we need a single document as a project document (including the contributor guide) | 12:14 |
| Daisy | amotoki: I don't see infra-manual and neutron have those doc tool chain. | 12:14 |
| amotoki | but if we have a pot file, we should have a master doc. | 12:14 |
| amotoki | Daisy: yes. instead we have 'docs' env in tox.ini: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/infra-manual/tree/tox.ini#n16 | 12:15 |
| Daisy | amotoki: I never think about master doc yet. | 12:15 |
| Daisy | amotoki: but it may be useful if we have a RST file to store all the terms. I will think about it. | 12:16 |
| amotoki | Daisy: if we don't a master doc, a pot file corresponding to the master should be in a repo where the master exists. It is my principle. | 12:16 |
| Daisy | Zanata supports uploading csv file which contain glossary and translations. Currently, I use a google sheet document to contain all the glossary and translations. I want to move it to repo. | 12:19 |
| Daisy | The csv file could be directly exported from google sheet document. | 12:19 |
| Daisy | Then I upload it to Zanata manually. | 12:19 |
| Daisy | Do you think it is better if we store the csv file directly in i18n repo ? | 12:20 |
| amotoki | honestly speaking, I would like to do all translation efforts on Zanata. | 12:20 |
| Daisy | actually, pot and po files are not necessary considering the current process of glossary. | 12:21 |
| amotoki | do you say we need a different way for the glossary? | 12:21 |
| Daisy | Zanata will support to edit glossary in the future. That's one of their feature in one of the coming release, I think. | 12:21 |
| amotoki | i see. | 12:22 |
| Daisy | I'm looking for a better way to manipulate our glossary and translations, other than using google sheet. | 12:22 |
| Daisy | If Zanata could support, it's better. If Zanata doesn't support, we may need our own way. | 12:22 |
| Daisy | amotoki: could we use the similar way as Neutron or infra-manual to use the doc tools ? | 12:24 |
| amotoki | Daisy: i can update my review to sync the way adopted in most projects. | 12:25 |
| amotoki | one idea is to handle it as a normal document. we translate it as normal documents, import it into our repo, convert it into an appropriate format (CSV) and then upload it to Zanata glossary. | 12:26 |
| amotoki | it seems a bit complex at a glance, but i think we don't need a special way to manipulate our glossary. | 12:27 |
| amotoki | sorry for mixing two things... | 12:28 |
| -amotoki- is chatting in three channels (two in Enlish and one in Japanese) | 12:28 | |
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| amotoki | Daisy: i will ask katomo about his intention. I agree with you in general, but it is worth confirmed. | 12:34 |
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