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| katomo | Daisy, it's time | 13:00 |
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| Daisy | katomo: Hi, we move here. | 14:00 |
| katomo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246972/ | 14:00 |
| katomo | i submited a change request | 14:01 |
| katomo | and, got the response. | 14:01 |
| katomo | :program:`RabbitMQ` is needed to translators :) | 14:02 |
| Daisy | :) | 14:02 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. this is what katomo just mentioned on meeting channel. | 14:02 |
| katomo | from today's discussion, translators do not need :program:` ` | 14:03 |
| katomo | quick vote: can we change :program:` ` and :command:` ` to `` ``? | 14:04 |
| Daisy | katomo: as a translator, I personally don't care much about the format. I just want a clear guide to tell me: which to translate, which not to be translated. Of course, using less formats is good for translators. I'm just afraid doc writers may like multiple formats. | 14:04 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. yes. I am now seeing the entire markups.. | 14:05 |
| katomo | Daisy thanks | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, program names such as RabbitMQ is clear. | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | And also for command details. | 14:05 |
| katomo | we need agreement from docs team. | 14:05 |
| Daisy | katomo: for example, I see there are different inline tags: :program:`RabbitMQ`, :command:`nova boot`, term:`services <service>` | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | However, :term: is important. Isn't it? | 14:06 |
| ianychoi | I would suggest to change for example :term: to :term_glossary: | 14:06 |
| ianychoi | because team would be translated to local translators, | 14:06 |
| Daisy | If we suggest to change them all to ````, I think book writers may not be happy. That's my imagination. I don't know if it's true. | 14:06 |
| katomo | :term: is important, which has a special meaning | 14:06 |
| ianychoi | but term_glossary would not be translatable .. | 14:07 |
| katomo | :term: generate the link to glossary automatically | 14:07 |
| katomo | Daisy, I will talk to docs team | 14:08 |
| Daisy | katomo: your patch suggested to remove program and command. | 14:08 |
| Daisy | I'm fine with your patch. :) | 14:08 |
| ianychoi | Anyway, my idea is to remove tags if possible. | 14:09 |
| Daisy | I'm a translator. Of course, the simple format will help me to understand which to translate. | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | but yes, removing important tags is not good. | 14:09 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: you are a typical translator. | 14:09 |
| katomo | ianychoi, Daisy, thanks | 14:09 |
| katomo | recently, docs team decided to change :file:` ` to `` `` from some reason, mainly easy to learn for new docs writer. | 14:10 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, yes. But actually a couple of months ago, I wrongly translated :program: to :aaaa: (aaaa in Korean). | 14:10 |
| katomo | so, i believe docs team become happier :) | 14:10 |
| ianychoi | Now when I think there is good translation progress, I generate output (e.g, HTML from rst) and recheck formats. | 14:10 |
| katomo | because we don't master docs markup, so complex markup confuse translators :) | 14:12 |
| Daisy | katomo: I have another point. I don't like to change format frequently. If doc team change their ` to `` without a strong reason, I don't like that. The frequently change will make translators to do the translations again, and make them confusing. | 14:12 |
| katomo | yes | 14:12 |
| katomo | good point | 14:13 |
| Daisy | so, katomo, please help to distribute it to doc team. I believe they could be understandable. | 14:13 |
| katomo | sure | 14:14 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo. | 14:14 |
| ianychoi | Good point :) | 14:15 |
| katomo | good night. 23 p.m. in Japan :-) | 14:18 |
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