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| ianychoi | Daisy, hello! Can I talk with you briefly? | 02:35 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: sure | 02:36 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: Happy Chinese new year! I'm just back from vacation. | 02:36 |
| ianychoi | Oh my question is how long Chinese new year holidays are for Chinese people, since I want to discuss Chinese translation with Chinese i18n contributors :) | 02:37 |
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| ianychoi | Korean people had just four days for lunar new year holiday.. | 02:37 |
| Daisy | The official holidays ended at Feb 3rd. | 02:38 |
| Daisy | Yet I know some people may take extra days for vacation. | 02:38 |
| ianychoi | Wow so long! Did you went to your hometown? | 02:39 |
| ianychoi | s/went/go | 02:39 |
| Daisy | Some people go back to work since this week. Others may go back next week. | 02:39 |
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| ianychoi | I see. I may seriously tell to Release team, since the release schedule https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html does not consider Chinese holidays | 02:40 |
| Daisy | I didn't. I stay at Beijing. My sister and her family went to Beijing and visited us. | 02:40 |
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| ianychoi | Aha.. then most Chinese translators live in Beijing? | 02:40 |
| Daisy | I don't think so. | 02:41 |
| Daisy | Ocata translations are finished ? | 02:42 |
| Daisy | I mean, Ocata translations are closed ? | 02:42 |
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| ianychoi | According to the release schedule, it needs to be finished. However, I talked to Horizon team and we now have 1-2 more weeks | 02:42 |
| ianychoi | amotoki is Horizon-i18n liaison so there will be no problem if zzxwill and other Chinese coordinators see the translation. I have been worried about this point of view. | 02:44 |
| Daisy | I see the release note takes a high proportion | 02:45 |
| ianychoi | Yep since Release note includes all notes with all previous releases (e.g., icehouse, and maybe, essex?) | 02:46 |
| Daisy | I can tell zzxwill | 02:46 |
| ianychoi | Translating release notes is optional ;0 | 02:46 |
| ianychoi | :) | 02:46 |
| Daisy | ok | 02:46 |
| Daisy | that's fine | 02:47 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot, Daisy! Last weekdays, aeng helped to triage Chinese translation bugs on launchpad | 02:47 |
| Daisy | Thanks to aeng. | 02:48 |
| ianychoi | I would like to learn Chinese characters more, but unfortunately I am now busy T.T | 02:50 |
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| ianychoi | Daisy, anyway welcome back from vacation and hope to get back with regular life (I mean, no side effect from your long holiday). Have a good day! | 02:51 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ianychoi. | 02:51 |
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| ianychoi | :) | 02:52 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: Hi! I'd like to talk about the work required to created branches for a project in Zanata, when you have some time to discuss | 11:07 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Tripleo-ui now is properly enabled for translations in Ocata :) And stable/ocata will be cut soon | 11:07 |
| jpich | I know the project is not a priority for the translation team (and I totally understand) so if there's anything I can do to help, so that tripleo-ui also gets a branch I'd like to know :) Thank you | 11:08 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, hi | 11:38 |
| jpich | :) | 11:40 |
| ianychoi | jpich, https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/tripleo-ui/master | 11:40 |
| ianychoi | Currently only en-gb translation is high. Would it be useful to apply stable/ocata translation sync job? | 11:40 |
| ianychoi | Note that I will add a few more horizon plugin projects so it will be easy to support to tripleo-ui proj. | 11:41 |
| jpich | ianychoi: We don't have a stable/ocata branch in the repository yet (I'm not sure when it will be cut, the TripleO team meeting is tomorrow so I think I will know then) | 11:42 |
| jpich | Japanese and Simplified Chinese translator will be working on translations at the end of the week | 11:42 |
| jpich | I want to make sure we won't lose or invalidate their work when stable/ocata is created in the git repo... but I'm not familiar with what is needed on the Zanata side | 11:43 |
| amotoki | jpich: I think this page helps you understand what happen around the release: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/release_management.html | 11:50 |
| amotoki | Zanata admin create a branch for ocata from the master branch, so no translation work will be lost. | 11:52 |
| amotoki | when creating a branch, translation is copied from the master translation. | 11:52 |
| jpich | amotoki: Thank you!! | 11:54 |
| jpich | So once the branch is created in the repo I should ping ianychoi about creating the branch in Zanata when possible, then I can set up an enable-translations-ocata job and "everything should work"? :) | 11:56 |
| amotoki | that's my understanding. | 11:57 |
| jpich | awesome | 11:57 |
| jpich | thank you for the help and information ianychoi, amotoki | 11:57 |
| amotoki | you're welcome | 11:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n master: Switch I18n ML to hyperlink https://review.openstack.org/428523 | 12:15 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, I am back :) yep http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/release_management.html is correct but... I have recently found that some horizon plugin projects follow cycle-with-intermediary release model: https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-intermediary | 14:06 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I think only one branch is cut at the end of the cycle anyway so it should be ok, although I'm probably misunderstanding the issue? | 14:08 |
| ianychoi | https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/ocata-dashboard-translation/projects => Currently 9 of 12 horizon & plugin projects are branched with stable/ocata and I am now pinging to three more projects: ironic-ui, magnum-ui, murano-dashboard to create stable/ocata branch as soon as possible | 14:08 |
| jpich | FWIW tripleo-ui is cycle-trailing so it means we tend to cut branches a couple of weeks later than most projects | 14:08 |
| ianychoi | jpich, oh tripleo-ui is cycle-trailing? | 14:09 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Yes, all of the TripleO deliverables are | 14:10 |
| jpich | Do you think it might cause issues? It gives more time to everyone :-) | 14:10 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... I see. I need to raise a topic for I18n with cycle-with-milestones. cycle-with-intermediary, and cycle-trailing during PTG. I now admit that I18n team has followed just by observing Soft & Hard StringFreezes | 14:11 |
| ianychoi | jpich, will you attend to PTG? | 14:11 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I should but at this point I don't know if I'll be able to attend extra sessions :/ | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | jpich, all the projects with 'translate' tag in projects.yaml (openstack/governance repository) with >75% (# of messages) are the target for translation sync job | 14:13 |
| ianychoi | However, frankly speaking, I am not sure currently how I18n appropriately needs to be aware of cycle-with-milestones. cycle-with-intermediary, and cycle-trailing | 14:13 |
| jpich | (IMO since cycle-with-intermediaries also commit to having a release every 6mo it's ok to use that release to focus translations. I wonder if other projects than Swift follow that model?) | 14:14 |
| ianychoi | Since the time I started my PTL role about six months ago, my observation was that I18n supported translation sync job for stable branches: 1) horizon & plugin projects around Hard StringFreeze 2) Around release date (e.g., swift) and 3) Around the creation of a stable branch for documentations | 14:17 |
| ianychoi | jpich, and.. current my curiosity for tripleo-ui translation is that which time for having translation sync job for a stable branch is useful. | 14:18 |
| ianychoi | For independent release model, I18n team just observes master branch for translation sync jobs | 14:20 |
| ianychoi | jpich, hmm, then what is your IRC meeting time tomorrow? | 14:20 |
| jpich | ianychoi: 14:00 UTC, though I could ask my PTL now :) | 14:21 |
| ianychoi | I see :) jpich so for ironic-ui, magnum-ui, murano-dashboard, I already told that it would be much better to have RC1 version with stable/ocata now although the release model is cycle-with-intermediary, since they can also propose RC2, RC3, and so on by release dates | 14:23 |
| ianychoi | However, I am not sure having RC1 version now for cycle-trailing release projects now is a good idea or not | 14:24 |
| ianychoi | And... currently, translation sync for master branch now is also fine IMO. Could you raise this topic tomorrow on triplo IRC meeting? | 14:25 |
| ianychoi | I think I can attend the meeting for a while tomorrow. | 14:25 |
| jpich | I think it's best to let it to the project when to cut their branches (we did it too early for another deliverable last cycle and had to backport too many patches) | 14:25 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I want to make sure I understand the concern. Do we only want to know when stable/ocata will be created (so we can do it in Zanata too), or would you like to understand when to "sync back" translations from Ocata to master? | 14:27 |
| jpich | am I misunderstanding? :-) | 14:27 |
| jpich | The TripleO RC1 etc are usually later as well (most deadlines shift by 1 or 2 weeks to accommodate cycle-trailing) | 14:28 |
| ianychoi | jpich, as amotoki already shared, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/release_management.html is what I18n team has dealt with. | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | However, two additional situation in Ocata cycle cause more I18n team's attention. | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | One is that Ocata cycle is too short | 14:30 |
| ianychoi | And the other is that three different release cycle models with too short cycle do not well fit into just Soft & Hard StringFreeze period. | 14:30 |
| jpich | :( | 14:31 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I understand tripleo-ui is a new project and outside the i18n team's priorities so our goals for now really is to cause as little trouble as possible for the i18n team | 14:31 |
| ianychoi | For cycle-with-milestones release projects such as horizon, the team agreed the current situation and they told me that they would be able to create RC3 and even RC4 branches to include more stable/ocata branch translated strings into release | 14:32 |
| ianychoi | For cycle-with-intermediary release projects, the teams which are in i18n translation plan agree that they can make RC1 branch a little bit earlier. | 14:33 |
| ianychoi | However, for cycle-trailing release projects, yep I agree that it is a new project but I need to think more about how well I18n needs to be dealt with | 14:33 |
| ianychoi | jpich, please don't worry about it too much, since it is more related with how I18n team well deals with release plans.. it is somewhat different from I18n's overall translation plan. | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | jpich, anyway I confirm that current translation sync job on master branch works well :) | 14:37 |
| ianychoi | For I18n attention, I will add a topic on the next I18n IRC meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting => I need to change it now.. Would it be fine, jpich ? | 14:38 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Ok, thank you! :-) If I can help with anything / understanding anything, about tripleo-ui or cycle-trailing project please feel free ask me anytime | 14:38 |
| jpich | 07:00 UTC this week, is it? I will try my best... :-O | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot for kind consideration, and please also discuss and tell the opinion in your side, since the point of view for cycle-trailing might be different. | 14:40 |
| ianychoi | jpich, aha what I said is that I will ask with I18n team members but it would be great if you will come to I18n meeting | 14:40 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I will make coffee and I will be there too :) | 14:41 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I think most of the tripleo-ui team is new to i18n so we're still learning as well | 14:41 |
| jpich | I think we can have additional RC(s) for translations too if necessary, without too much trouble | 14:42 |
| ianychoi | jpich, me too also it is so interesting: I think using json instead po would be the first case in tripleo-ui for translation sync | 14:42 |
| jpich | Yes! :) Thankfully for the translators it should be no different, we still upload pot files and download po files :) (we convert them to JSON as the last step) | 14:54 |
| jpich | ianychoi: FYI the TripleO PTL posted http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111682.html so we don't know yet when stable/ocata will be created, some serious issues need to be fixed first | 15:24 |
| jpich | So I think the translators interested in providing Ocata translations (now 2: one for Japanese, one for Simplified Chinese) will happily continue working on Zanata master for now :) | 15:24 |
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