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| eumel8 | Hi ianychoi | 16:22 |
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| jftalta | Hi | 19:01 |
| eumel8 | hello hello :) | 19:01 |
| jftalta | glad to read you :) | 19:02 |
| eumel8 | in time ;) | 19:02 |
| jftalta | yeap | 19:02 |
| jftalta | It's 9h03 pm in France | 19:04 |
| jftalta | eumeul8, are you in Germany ? | 19:04 |
| eumel8 | Same time in Germany | 19:04 |
| eumel8 | But, what time is in Korea - that's the question :-)) | 19:05 |
| jftalta | 4H05 am ! | 19:05 |
| eumel8 | WHAT? | 19:06 |
| jftalta | Yes, it's 4h05 am | 19:06 |
| jftalta | Wednesay | 19:06 |
| jftalta | wednesday | 19:06 |
| eumel8 | can't believe it. | 19:06 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi proposed this timeslot | 19:07 |
| jftalta | Yes. I did not understand such a choice... | 19:07 |
| eumel8 | I talked to him on Sunday. | 19:09 |
| jftalta | Ah, ok. So ?.... | 19:09 |
| eumel8 | and I expand the etherpad a little bit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-I18n-brainstorming | 19:09 |
| eumel8 | you can take a look | 19:09 |
| eumel8 | 3 sections: The Forum, The Talk, The Workshop | 19:10 |
| jftalta | Cool. Give me sec, I gonna open it | 19:10 |
| eumel8 | k | 19:10 |
| jftalta | you'll be in Boston on wed and thursday only ? | 19:12 |
| eumel8 | yes | 19:12 |
| eumel8 | couldn't find a sponsor for the whole week ;) | 19:13 |
| eumel8 | So I don't know when Forum starts and I would concentrate on the talk and the workshop. | 19:14 |
| jftalta | I understand. Finding sponsors is strategic for free software folks ! | 19:14 |
| eumel8 | workshop is Wed and the talk is Thu | 19:14 |
| eumel8 | For Barcelona it was easy for our travel policy but Boston is difficult. | 19:15 |
| eumel8 | and Sydney is not possible, I think. | 19:15 |
| jftalta | Sydney is very far and the plane ticket is rather expensive. But I think accomodations are less expensive than in Boston. | 19:17 |
| jftalta | will ianychoi take over zzxwill role ? I mean will he co-animate the thursday talk with us ? | 19:17 |
| eumel8 | yes | 19:18 |
| eumel8 | and we help in the workshop because there are 3 people needed | 19:18 |
| jftalta | ok, no problem for me | 19:19 |
| eumel8 | and would you talk a little bit about your role as language coordinator as ianychoi mentioned before? | 19:21 |
| jftalta | Yes, of course. A couple of minutes will be enough | 19:21 |
| eumel8 | great | 19:23 |
| eumel8 | I started to share a presentation on google drive | 19:24 |
| eumel8 | maybe you've got the link in your google email account | 19:24 |
| jftalta | Ok. I can make few slides on this thema | 19:25 |
| jftalta | yes, I got the link | 19:25 |
| eumel8 | ok | 19:25 |
| eumel8 | I've wrote something about my journey and how to start in OpenStack | 19:25 |
| jftalta | Your journey ?... | 19:26 |
| eumel8 | idea is to motivate more people because we are a small local team | 19:27 |
| eumel8 | journey into the OpenStack community ... something like this | 19:27 |
| jftalta | ok, I understand. Story telling ;-) | 19:28 |
| eumel8 | In our company we have many "Customer Journeys", but we're not a travel company ;) | 19:28 |
| eumel8 | yes, story telling | 19:28 |
| jftalta | People like stories in general. And testimonials to. | 19:29 |
| eumel8 | yes, that's my idea | 19:29 |
| eumel8 | in the talk description of the talk is bug reporting mentioned. I don't know how we can explain this topic. | 19:30 |
| eumel8 | because in our language we haven't so much bugs received | 19:31 |
| jftalta | The presentation main part could be to answer the question : "I'd like to be part of a local OpenStack translation team. What's the shortest way to achieve this ?" | 19:32 |
| eumel8 | yes, I think so | 19:33 |
| eumel8 | and bug reporting we're doing in the workshop | 19:33 |
| jftalta | yes, I agree | 19:33 |
| eumel8 | from my point of view it's not so important | 19:33 |
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| eumel8 | falling outside the bed... | 19:34 |
| jftalta | do you know if it's still possible to update the talk description ? | 19:34 |
| jftalta | ;) | 19:35 |
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| eumel8 | maybe zzxwill as coordinator of the session | 19:35 |
| eumel8 | but you can write an email to the foundation team and they can edit the description | 19:36 |
| jftalta | ok, cool | 19:36 |
| eumel8 | we had a talk last year with a wrong text and the correction was easy | 19:36 |
| ianychoi | Hi | 19:36 |
| ianychoi | Sorry.... my IRC program was crazy - rebooted | 19:36 |
| eumel8 | hahaha :) | 19:36 |
| eumel8 | good morning ianychoi | 19:37 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, you only stay on Wed & Thu - not Thu? | 19:37 |
| ianychoi | not Tue | 19:37 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, hi | 19:37 |
| eumel8 | yes | 19:37 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, how about you? When will you arrive at Boston? | 19:37 |
| jftalta | on friday :) | 19:37 |
| jftalta | and I will leave on next friday, 12th | 19:38 |
| eumel8 | no comment ;) | 19:38 |
| ianychoi | Aha... cool | 19:38 |
| ianychoi | Actually, things are getting difficult to me.. | 19:38 |
| jftalta | what do you mean ? | 19:39 |
| eumel8 | why? | 19:39 |
| ianychoi | I am finding my new job and one new job position suggested me not to attend to Boston Summit.. | 19:39 |
| ianychoi | But.. I will try to more arrange :) | 19:40 |
| jftalta | Have you purchased your plane tickets ? | 19:41 |
| ianychoi | Yes - originally my flight is Apr 27 - May 17 | 19:41 |
| ianychoi | which is very long journey - haha | 19:42 |
| eumel8 | you lost the old job? or what's the reason for the new position? | 19:42 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yes | 19:43 |
| eumel8 | urgs | 19:43 |
| jftalta | and when will you know if you'll go to Boston or not ? | 19:43 |
| eumel8 | that's difficult, indeed | 19:43 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, don't worry about it too much - I really want to go to Boston Summit :) | 19:45 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, would you help http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/116 session? | 19:46 |
| jftalta | ok, ok, I don't :) | 19:46 |
| ianychoi | On Forum (Tue), just coming and listening to attendees would be fine I think | 19:46 |
| jftalta | Sure ! | 19:47 |
| ianychoi | I think we really need to prepare hands-on-lab on Wednesday | 19:47 |
| jftalta | Who is the hands-on lab leader ? | 19:48 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you are a very important person! you can't leave us alone. | 19:48 |
| ianychoi | Now me - since aeng and zzxwill will not come to Boston | 19:48 |
| jftalta | ok. | 19:49 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: and some more motivations - it seems we have some progress on the translation check site: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/ | 19:51 |
| ianychoi | In 2015, I led one hands-on-lab: it took totally about one hour https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Channel9-Korea/--Meetup/Hands-on-Lab---Contributor--part-1 and https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Channel9-Korea/--Meetup/Hands-on-Lab---Contributor--part-2 | 19:51 |
| ianychoi | (Korean) | 19:51 |
| eumel8 | this looks good, because we desided to move to bugfix topic from the talk into the workshop | 19:53 |
| eumel8 | btw: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-I18n-brainstorming | 19:53 |
| ianychoi | https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_ti8SG8wQWaU0tsSWd3VkVHd3c?usp=sharing | 19:55 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, jftalta: would you check the link for two ppt files? | 19:55 |
| ianychoi | It was too old - I made them in about 18 months ago but it would be still helpful I think | 19:56 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, in a word or two, what was the Korean hands-on lab content ? | 19:56 |
| ianychoi | Part 1: Open source license agreement & Zanata registration | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Joining to Launchpad | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Signing on ICLA (Individual Contributor License Agreement) | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Joining to openstack.org | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Registering to Zanata | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Requesting to your translation team in Zanata | 19:57 |
| jftalta | ah, ok, sorry | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Part 2: Adapting to OpenStack translation platform (with OpenStack Install Guide) | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Being familiar with Zanata interfaces | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Learning some important translation policies | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | Translating, translating, and translating… | 19:57 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, fine :) | 19:58 |
| eumel8 | looks easy | 19:58 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, do you want to add advanced topics such as translation checksite and how to manage po files? | 19:58 |
| eumel8 | I have already shared a google drive, maybe we can merge and make a unique design of the slides for the talk and the workshop. | 19:59 |
| eumel8 | translation checksite is not done, so I can talk only about the idea | 20:00 |
| eumel8 | and a prototype | 20:00 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, agreed - for presentation on Thursday, I think starting from your google drive presentation file would be a good idea | 20:00 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you want to show something with cli on the workshop? | 20:01 |
| eumel8 | because we have this prepared virtual machines? | 20:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I think CLI would be helpful to find where the original string locates in Horizon source files (git clone git://git.openstack.org/openstack/horizon && cd horizon && grep -r "[target string] * | 20:03 |
| jftalta | Hands-on workshop is a 101 and it will last 90', only. So let's keep it quite light | 20:04 |
| ianychoi | However, I am not sure how we can show Zanata-cli within 90 minutes.. | 20:04 |
| ianychoi | Or.. documentation build using tox | 20:05 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: you work with the cli? | 20:05 |
| jftalta | Zanata-cli ? No, I don't | 20:06 |
| ianychoi | (e.g., 1. git clone git://git.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-manuals 2. download the translated po file in Zanata and copy to relevant folder 3. cd openstack-manuals 4. tox -e publishdocs 5. check translated publication locally | 20:06 |
| ianychoi | Would be they helpful? | 20:07 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: what's your experience from your 2015 workshop? | 20:07 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, 1. "Signing on ICLA" is not easy for translators 2. More users want to know how to be more familiar with Zanata user interfaces 3. Someone want to know which should be translated and should not be translated (e.g., ``~~~~~`` , :command:`~~` ) | 20:09 |
| eumel8 | in the videos are only Zanata frontend and from my feeling it's topic enough | 20:10 |
| eumel8 | for cli you must prepare ssh keys, git access, zanata account, zanata api key ... | 20:11 |
| jftalta | I agree | 20:12 |
| eumel8 | at the end you can download the files | 20:12 |
| ianychoi | in 2015 for hands on lab it took one hour and I also spent additionally one hour to explain backgrounds with details just before hands on lab | 20:13 |
| ianychoi | I think I led it slowly | 20:14 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, have u downloaded po files using zanata cli? | 20:14 |
| jftalta | I have to leave you guys. I will put down ideas on the pad and will begin to write slides on the google doc. | 20:15 |
| ianychoi | for me, no - I sometimes manage infra scripts to deal with but I usually do not download po files from zanata cli | 20:15 |
| eumel8 | yes, in developement of the puppet module from the translation checksite | 20:15 |
| eumel8 | thx jftalta | 20:16 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, thanks today! | 20:16 |
| jftalta | bye, see you. | 20:16 |
| eumel8 | cu | 20:16 |
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| ianychoi | wow.. good | 20:17 |
| ianychoi | Would it be also helpful to new translators? | 20:17 |
| eumel8 | something like this: https://github.com/eumel8/translation_checksite/blob/dev/0.3/templates/zanata-sync.sh.erb | 20:18 |
| eumel8 | I think not | 20:18 |
| eumel8 | new translator are starting with Zanata web frontend, isn't it? | 20:18 |
| ianychoi | Yep... let's think about scheduling total 90 mins - allocating 10 mins for demonstrations on advanced things would be a good idea? | 20:21 |
| ianychoi | If such demonstration would not be needed, then skipping CLI parts would be fine I think | 20:21 |
| eumel8 | yes | 20:22 |
| eumel8 | so we don't need the VMs at the moment | 20:22 |
| eumel8 | can you setup extra user in Zanata? | 20:23 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, okay. Let's reply that we do not need VMs | 20:23 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, setting up extra user? | 20:24 |
| eumel8 | without openstackid login on https://translate.openstack.org | 20:24 |
| ianychoi | Hmm good question - since... https://translate.openstack.org/ is only available through openstack login | 20:25 |
| ianychoi | But.. the motivation for saying good question is.. would it be helpful if we prepare one temporary server for Zanata access without signing with openstackid? | 20:26 |
| ianychoi | It would require much additional time I think | 20:27 |
| eumel8 | in case we want to use cli | 20:27 |
| eumel8 | then we should prepare the image with zanata.ini file in .config directory incl. username and api key | 20:28 |
| eumel8 | installation zanata client with java takes also time | 20:28 |
| ianychoi | Hmm | 20:29 |
| ianychoi | yep 0install | 20:29 |
| eumel8 | I'd like the idea with cli and virtual machines in the workshop but I didn't see the use case for the work as translator. | 20:29 |
| ianychoi | I think in that case the we may leave the VM without API keys | 20:29 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, in fact, "propose_translation_update.sh" https://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/infra.html#translation-infrastructure-scripts syncs po files in every repository up to date | 20:32 |
| eumel8 | next question: about bugs. In German we have not so many. What would you show from bug handling in I18n and would you work together on a "virtual" bug like the OpenStack training session? | 20:32 |
| ianychoi | It would be nice if the workshop also targets such use case - how to make po files up to date from Zanata | 20:32 |
| ianychoi | But.. I am not sure how it can be manage nicely during Workshop with limited amount of time slot | 20:33 |
| ianychoi | So.. the use-case scenario would be translating install-guides and check translated results locally using up to date po files in Zanata I think | 20:34 |
| eumel8 | ok | 20:35 |
| ianychoi | For the next question would be a good suggestion - since I have not thought it too much | 20:35 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, do you have some idea on such use-case? | 20:36 |
| eumel8 | from my feeling there are only bugs in KR files ;) | 20:37 |
| eumel8 | translating install-guide is a good idea | 20:38 |
| eumel8 | can you write the steps on the etherpad? | 20:39 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, sure :) | 20:40 |
| eumel8 | thx | 20:40 |
| eumel8 | then we can see what we'll need | 20:40 |
| eumel8 | I think students need to setup the Zanata accounts before | 20:41 |
| eumel8 | and must be part of a language team? | 20:41 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, that would be the best but I am not still sure - how we make announcements to participants and I think several attendees would not set up successfully with ICLA | 20:45 |
| eumel8 | why do you think its's difficult with ICLA? | 20:46 |
| ianychoi | 1. Too many steps 2. SSH key upload is needed AFAIK | 20:47 |
| ianychoi | (Now I might have complicated with general development workflows) | 20:48 |
| eumel8 | ah, ok | 20:48 |
| eumel8 | then it makes no sense if anybody has his private key on a foreign machine | 20:49 |
| eumel8 | and it brings us back to the question to use a training account - only to show functionality with zanata-cli | 20:50 |
| eumel8 | or what about translate-dev? is the machine still online? | 20:51 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, translate-dev is still online but I think it is not a good idea to use translate-dev since it is designed to test Zanata with testing purposes (Zanata upgrade, openstackid test) | 20:52 |
| eumel8 | ok | 20:53 |
| ianychoi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-I18n-brainstorming | 20:53 |
| ianychoi | I have briefly updated on Etherpad | 20:54 |
| eumel8 | ICLA you can sign also without ssh key first | 20:54 |
| eumel8 | only to possible login into Zanata | 20:54 |
| ianychoi | Aha... I see | 20:55 |
| eumel8 | can you approve people for local language teams? | 20:56 |
| eumel8 | otherwise you can only read in Zanata with a fresh account | 20:57 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, during hands on lab I can approve | 20:57 |
| eumel8 | but maybe that's enough and people can send a request to join a local team | 20:58 |
| ianychoi | Maybe.. during hands on lab, attendees request "join a local team" and I can approve them? | 20:58 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: but you want to ask local coordinator before you approve as superuser ;) | 20:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, good suggestion | 20:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, how do you feel when you see the timeslot part in Etherpad? | 21:02 |
| eumel8 | the good thing: you have good basics from 1 to 5 | 21:04 |
| eumel8 | then you can spread 6 and 7 | 21:04 |
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| eumel8 | or make this short if you are running out of time | 21:05 |
| eumel8 | for the talk a made a video how to start with Zanata. I want to use this as showcase in the talk or I can upload later this on youtube. | 21:08 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, aha.. and I18n Forum topic starts on Tuesday 11:15 - 11:55 AM (I am seeing previous IRC logs) | 21:09 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, one thing I have heard that the workshop would not be recorded | 21:09 |
| eumel8 | yes, I think that's normal | 21:10 |
| ianychoi | If it is really true, then I need to request to remove "Speakers hope that more people who are interested in translation contribution will come here and more translators who are geographically distributed so unable to come to Summit will see the workshop video content and materials which will be available after the Summit." sentences in the presentation description | 21:10 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, and.. speakers might be changed? | 21:11 |
| eumel8 | yes, I visited 2 workshops in Barcelona and there were no recording. | 21:11 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. I see | 21:12 |
| eumel8 | it was in the Hilton building across the main hall | 21:12 |
| ianychoi | In Tokyo AFAIK it was recorded | 21:12 |
| eumel8 | really? I was in the Ansible workshop also without recording. | 21:13 |
| ianychoi | https://www.openstack.org/videos/tokyo-2015/rsvp-required-hands-on-with-kubernetes-on-openstack | 21:14 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... when I see https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18387/i18n-101-introduction-to-translation-and-contributing-qualified-translation-with-useful-tips again, I think I need to change timeslots | 21:15 |
| ianychoi | I will think more on it by this weekend | 21:15 |
| ianychoi | And.. including you and jftalta as speakers for https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18387/i18n-101-introduction-to-translation-and-contributing-qualified-translation-with-useful-tips would be a good idea I think | 21:16 |
| ianychoi | I will ask and video recordings to speakersupport@openstack.org | 21:16 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 21:17 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, one asking: on your google slide - page 1, you made the picture with "translate" & different translated words? | 21:18 |
| ianychoi | I have just found that there is no Korean haha :) | 21:18 |
| eumel8 | not? That's not possible | 21:19 |
| eumel8 | I'm really shure I choose Korean also | 21:19 |
| ianychoi | Really? I do not know how to create such pictures | 21:20 |
| ianychoi | but at least I am sure that there is no Korean word for "translate" | 21:20 |
| ianychoi | If you have time, would you check it? | 21:21 |
| ianychoi | Anyway.. thanks a lot today | 21:21 |
| ianychoi | Really appreciated | 21:21 |
| ianychoi | I may really need to take more time on the preparation :) | 21:21 |
| eumel8 | 옮기다 | 21:22 |
| eumel8 | that's what google says | 21:22 |
| ianychoi | 번역 | 21:22 |
| ianychoi | 번역하다 | 21:22 |
| ianychoi | would be the right word tor "translate" | 21:22 |
| eumel8 | only the second? | 21:23 |
| ianychoi | Just "번역" should be fine I think | 21:23 |
| eumel8 | have to look how I prepared the picture | 21:23 |
| ianychoi | Which tool do you use for the picture? | 21:25 |
| eumel8 | I think it was an online tool | 21:26 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I see | 21:26 |
| eumel8 | svg file | 21:28 |
| eumel8 | https://www.jasondavies.com/wordcloud/ | 21:30 |
| ianychoi | Wow... looks cool :) | 21:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I think I need to sleep now.. and you also :) | 21:35 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot again today! | 21:35 |
| eumel8 | good idea | 21:37 |
| eumel8 | good night, ianychoi :) | 21:37 |
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