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| eumel8 | hello | 12:14 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hi! | 12:30 |
| eumel8 | hi ianychoi | 12:32 |
| ianychoi | How r u? :) | 12:33 |
| eumel8 | parallel meeting like every week :) | 12:34 |
| eumel8 | lot's of work | 12:34 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 12:35 |
| ianychoi | I am also busy. Today I went to a university (2 hours by car), taught the product in my company for 4 hours and came back home | 12:36 |
| eumel8 | great, the day is over ;) | 12:38 |
| eumel8 | haha | 12:38 |
| ianychoi | :) | 12:56 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, yep thank u :) | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | genek, by the way, How is OpenStack Days in Taiwan going? | 14:00 |
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| ianychoi | genek, user survey translation was successfully announced by Foundation? | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | because I have no experience with Zuul | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | I think we continue with our own VM for the translation checksite. | 14:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/workflow-project-status-and-zuul.html#1 is helpful I think :) | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | maybe there is a better solution | 14:01 |
| ianychoi | It was revised in last Boston upstream institute | 14:02 |
| eumel8 | thx | 14:02 |
| eumel8 | but I have no idea how this could help us :-) | 14:03 |
| genek_ | I'm trying to look in to the discussion right now | 14:04 |
| ianychoi | genek_, oh your connection seems unstable | 14:04 |
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| ianychoi | genek_, user survey translation was successfully announced by Foundation? by the way, How is OpenStack Days in Taiwan going? | 14:04 |
| ianychoi | That's my question to you | 14:05 |
| genek_ | It's great | 14:05 |
| genek_ | Jonathan have a big slide talking about the translated user survey | 14:05 |
| genek_ | Haven't yet found a good irc client on Mac | 14:05 |
| genek_ | Just bought a new laptop so I'm using the freenode webchat | 14:06 |
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| genek_ | eumel8, I think what Andy means is that they have been building openstack test site on daily basis, so it may be easier to just use those builds instead of writing new codes for building | 14:14 |
| eumel8 | ok, but are the test nodes available to use as checksite? | 14:17 |
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| ianychoi | genek_, colloquy is the one I use | 14:20 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, surely I think :) It would imply that https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/puppet-translation_checksite needs to be ready | 14:23 |
| ianychoi | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-translation_checksite | 14:24 |
| ianychoi | (Hmm there is some power problem in my home. Still I am finding why..) | 14:24 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: just wondering. that's the old puppet module repo | 14:26 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, what I said is that http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-translation_checksite needs to make use of openstackansible | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | to deploy translate checksite on openstack-infra | 14:27 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, that was also my opinion | 14:28 |
| eumel8 | something like that: https://github.com/eumel8/translation_checksite/blob/aio/install.sh#L8-L45 | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | For example, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-zanata/tree/ hosts all puppet scripts to deploy Zanata and http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/manifests/site.pp#n1656 makes use of the scripts AFAIK (although I need to find how two are related) | 14:32 |
| genek | eumel8: So my understanding is that we should update this file https://github.com/openstack-infra/puppet-translation_checksite/blob/master/manifests/init.pp to the one you wrote? | 14:32 |
| eumel8 | or going directly to system-config/manifests/site.pp and skip the module | 14:33 |
| eumel8 | infra team deploys also with ansible. maybe there is another option but I don't know why | 14:34 |
| eumel8 | the old proposal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276466/ | 14:36 |
| eumel8 | maybe I prepare a new one and we enter the infra-team meeting next Tuesday with them. | 14:37 |
| eumel8 | but this was also my question in my last e-mail :-( | 14:37 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, aha yep - I forgot it - it was about 1 year ago | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, it would be great for you to revise the review to deploy translate checksite with openstack-ansible | 14:41 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hmm but merge-check ? | 14:42 |
| eumel8 | it's really old and in another context. I would skip this and write a new one. | 14:43 |
| eumel8 | it's not so much work | 14:43 |
| genek | ianychoi: Quick question I forgot to ask during the meeting | 14:51 |
| ianychoi | genek, yes :) | 14:51 |
| genek | ianychoi: Is there a plan on translating the user survey results in to local languages? | 14:51 |
| genek | In my opinion it will be very helpful to local community | 14:51 |
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| ianychoi | genek, good question | 14:53 |
| ianychoi | genek, but... let me ask more more questions :) | 14:54 |
| ianychoi | genek, Foundation is willing to translate local user survey answers from local language to English | 14:55 |
| ianychoi | genek, if the amount is small then Foundation wants to translate them by I18n team, but if the amount is large, then Foundation wants to find a company | 14:55 |
| genek | ianychoi: Yeah, I know about that part | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | genek, but I have not heard that user survey result report will be published into local languages or not | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I asked Andy for the link and he said that it is going to be merged around there by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482120/ | 14:57 |
| genek | ianychoi: Maybe we should ask Foundation about that, I think it's important | 14:58 |
| ianychoi | genek, of course but not all the resources would not be fully translated | 14:59 |
| genek | ianychoi: got that, thanks for answering the question | 14:59 |
| ianychoi | genek, previously, I saw that Korean I18n coordinator translated Sponsorship Prospectus for Tokyo Summit in 2015 but I don't know who asked it - from Japanese user group? Foundation? | 15:00 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes,. thanks for the link, but where is the check site :) | 15:00 |
| ianychoi | genek, https://www.openstack.org/assets/tokyo-summit/OpenStack-Tokyo-Prospectus-2015-EN-v2-3.pdf was translated into Korean at that time :) | 15:01 |
| eumel8 | Tokio was very special. They had a lot of translation things there in 4 different languages. | 15:02 |
| amotoki | today and tomorrow are OpenStack Days Tokyo. | 15:02 |
| amotoki | I think the above link is part of promotion for Tokyo Summit. | 15:02 |
| genek | amotoki: my twitter are full of tweets from OpenStack Days Tokyo :) | 15:02 |
| ianychoi | genek, so what I would like to say now is that we (at least you) can translate user survey report into local languages but - the resources cannot be in Zanata and the translation count might not be calculated | 15:03 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, what I am saying is that the PDF was translated into Korean | 15:03 |
| genek | ianychoi: I can help translating the report if there's a chance | 15:03 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I think i must misunderstand the context. | 15:04 |
| ianychoi | genek, sure I will ask with Foundation in details later :) | 15:04 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, fine :) I think translated user survey will be announced by Foundation :) | 15:04 |
| amotoki | ah I see. | 15:05 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, maybe you will have many presentations during OpenStack Days Tokyo 2017? | 15:05 |
| amotoki | i thought you are talked about what we translated for promotion for Tokyo Summit from the foundation. | 15:05 |
| amotoki | i will have just one. | 15:05 |
| amotoki | i will have a presentation "Let's look through all official projects as much as possible :)" | 15:06 |
| amotoki | with Mizuno-san and Igawa-san | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, wow great :) | 15:07 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: good choice :) | 15:07 |
| genek | amotoki: Mizuno-san came to OpenStack Day Taiwan on Tuesday and gave a great talk | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, one think I do not know regarding this - "we translated for promotion for Tokyo Summit from the foundation " is that I don't know who asked to whom for sponsorship prospectus translation and how it translated and distributed | 15:08 |
| amotoki | genek: I know. he came back to Japan and we had Ops Meetup Japan today (and tomorrow) | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | I just saw Korean PDF document from Korea user group :) | 15:08 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: kato-san and I were contacted from the Foundation personally to promote it. | 15:09 |
| amotoki | it was two year ago | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, aha.. I see. Then maybe from Heidi Joy in Marketing team? | 15:09 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: perhaps so. | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | there are multiple Heidi in the Foundation stuff ;) | 15:10 |
| genek | eumel8: there are two I think | 15:10 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot. Now I am worried that translating user survey report would be great but the way of PDF documentation translation would be quite different from what we do in Zanata. | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | That's something different what I18n team does as OpenStack official team | 15:11 |
| eumel8 | genek: at least 3 but 1 left since weeks ago | 15:11 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: i see. that would be different from our usual way. | 15:12 |
| amotoki | actually I am not sure what are needed for making PDF i18n-ed. | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | genek, as I18n PTL, I am happy that our translation effort is being acknowledged as ATCs and also managed in translation memory in Zanata. If you can help user survey translation result document, it would be great! But that would be different effort from what we do as I18n team. | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | genek, amotoki: And that's the point :) The user survey report might be generated from some professional tools which might support translation as what we do in Zanata and sync po files | 15:14 |
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| genek | ianychoi: I just thought it as a great idea to promote OpenStack in local community :D | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | genek, of course, I really want more things are translated and internationalized in OpenStack | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | genek, I agree with you. And we really want to consider what we can do technically | 15:15 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: genek: I agree that some localization would help local community. | 15:16 |
| amotoki | in Japan, we usually have some presentations in local meetups which quotes the survey results with localized summary. it works in most cases. | 15:16 |
| ianychoi | genek, there are ATC (Active Technical Contributors) and AUC (Active User Contributors). I18n team both relates, and I think the thing genek mentioned would be more related with AUC status. | 15:17 |
| amotoki | of course translating will help more though | 15:17 |
| genek | amotoki: yeah, I quotes the survey result too at my talk at OpenStack Day Taiwan | 15:18 |
| amotoki | genek: nice | 15:18 |
| amotoki | re: AUC/ATC, I believe it will change depending on the situation around OpenStack | 15:18 |
| amotoki | I believe AUC will be more related to translation effort rather than ATC. | 15:19 |
| ianychoi | genek, now I am telling more on I18n official team side with ATC status and I want to tell that the user survey result document translation might not be considered as official team activities due to such things. But yes, of course, we are also thinking about how OpenStack is more I18n-ed with our various effort | 15:19 |
| genek | amotoki: agree with you | 15:20 |
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| genek | ianychoi: Got your point | 15:20 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, note that there are currently quite few number of AUCs comparing to ATCs. Sometimes I think which status would be more helpful to current translators with activities but it is too difficult for me to estimate :) | 15:21 |
| amotoki | we discussed how we can collaborate on various aspects as operators in the ops meetup in Japan. we can help the ops community even if some effort starts with Japanese (it means a local language) | 15:21 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: i know the current situation around ATC vs AUC. | 15:22 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: it is a fair observation | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, aha I see | 15:23 |
| amotoki | IMHO it is better we think how we can encourage OpenStack as local community | 15:23 |
| amotoki | it includes translations and/or ops side. | 15:24 |
| amotoki | all are related to i18n | 15:24 |
| ianychoi | And.. I am happy that me, amotoki, genek, and many others in I18n team looked both ATC aspects and AUC aspects. I think I18n showed how ATC and AUC status can be bridged | 15:25 |
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| amotoki | we Japanese community are discussing/thinking how we can encourage OpenStack community (ops and/or dev) as local community. I believe translation is just one aspect. | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | It would be great in future that active language coordinators will be AUCs | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | and they will more communicate with local communities | 15:26 |
| genek | amotoki: Can you share with me the other aspects that the JPOSUG came up with? | 15:27 |
| genek | amotoki: It can really help me here in Taiwanese community | 15:27 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, Yep definitely :) Of course there are so many aspects | 15:27 |
| amotoki | genek: we have ops meetup several times and we had fruiful discussion so far | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | genek, For example, I am very surprised that Japanese organizers came to Taiwan :) | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | They are very supportive and collaborative with other countries. Torii-san came to Korea 2 years ago :) | 15:28 |
| genek | ianychoi: They came last year too | 15:28 |
| genek | Torii-san came to Taiwan this year | 15:28 |
| amotoki | MIzuno-san and Torii-san travelled OpenStack Days Taiwan this week :) | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | Aha :) | 15:29 |
| amotoki | + Foundation members :) | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, genek, eumel8, have a good night all! I will see some other stuff and sleep soon (I really sleep haha) | 15:32 |
| genek | ianychoi: Good night, I have to sleep soon too | 15:32 |
| eumel8 | good night | 15:32 |
| amotoki | good night all! | 15:33 |
| amotoki | ianychoi and I got "when do you sleep" award, so ianychoi can sleep in any time :) | 15:33 |
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| ianychoi | Haha :) | 15:45 |
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