Thursday, 2017-08-17

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yasemin<amotoki> i run  /opt/stack/horizon, but my devstack env is mitaka version. is there any problem ?05:00
amotokiyasemin: not sure. some has been changed since then and some not.05:07
amotokiyasemin: if django complains, you can try envvar DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=openstack_dashboard.settings05:09
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/i18n master: Mention release note translation removal  https://review.openstack.org/49439006:21
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robcresswellianychoi: o/ How's things going with stable/pike translations? I am wondering when to tag Horizon RC207:07
robcresswellianychoi: Also we seem to be getting much bigger translation bot patches for master, than stable/pike, but stable/pike should be the focus. I am not sure though, I may just have seen a couple of patches.07:08
ianychoirobcresswell, thanks a lot! Yep although I already noticed, it seems that many I18n people still do translations on master branch07:09
robcresswellianychoi: Maybe it is worthwhile to send an email to remind people? I don't know how that is usually handled :)07:10
ianychoiI will do translation merge from master to stable-pike version today night and I would like to check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-August/003020.html and then tomorrow after translation merge would be the best to tag Horizon RC2?07:11
ianychoirobcresswell, sure I would like to also emphasize today IRC meeting (13:00 UTC).07:11
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ianychoirobcresswell, I am not still sure (sorry I don't have enough time to test with DevStack) but when I check using https://i18n.external.otc.telekomcloud.com/ (translator/I18nPike17), zh-hans and zh-hanw do not show Chinese characters..07:14
robcresswellianychoi: Awesome. There is no immediate rush; the hard deadline is 24th, but I would like to tag earlier in case of last-minute issues07:14
ianychoirobcresswell, thanks :) So today I would like to discuss more with Frank (eumel8), since he deployed the site and I am not sure whether the site now uses the up to date sources or not07:15
robcresswellianychoi: What are the translation % for those languages? Anythng not translated will just show as English07:16
ianychoirobcresswell, 99.06% for zh-CN and 81.21% for zh-TW (stable-pike)07:17
robcresswellhmm07:17
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robcresswellianychoi: I am not sure then :( Maybe the language codes are not matching or something07:19
ianychoiHmm.... yep...07:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/i18n master: Mention release note translation removal  https://review.openstack.org/49439007:46
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amotokisome translators works on translation on weekend, so I usually think Monday or Tuesday is a good timing for final translation import.08:26
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robcresswellOkay amotoki09:50
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eumel8my first Executive Order as PTL: catched a new translator for the German team now :-)10:04
andymccrcongrats eumel8!10:05
eumel8thx andymccr, hopefully you're still with us in the OSA project10:08
andymccreumel8: i will still be around for sure.10:08
eumel8great, are you at the PTG?10:09
eumel8in Denver, I mean10:14
andymccri will be there!10:16
jpichCongratulations on your PTLship, eumel8 :)10:17
eumel8thx, jpich :)10:17
eumel8andymccr: maybe we want to try the installation of the translate check server together with the infra-team10:18
andymccreumel8: sure sounds good!10:18
eumel8I think we will have the best progress on-site10:19
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/i18n master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/49446710:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/i18n master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/49446712:00
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eumel8sorry for the fast interruption14:01
jpichNo worries, time is time14:02
ianychoi:)14:02
amotoki:)14:02
jpichianychoi: I think "documenting in code" means writing more code, and less documentation :P14:03
amotokibtw, no change in meeting time?14:03
ianychoijpich, oh.... yes hahahaha14:03
amotokiianychoi: this effort tries to do similar things we do for configurations (oslo.config)14:04
ianychoijpich, what I thought was that each project team would have more responsibility on how to well document14:04
ianychoiDocs team might be decentralized..14:04
eumel8amotoki: not yet, you have preferations?14:04
amotokieumel8: no preferences. this week meeting time is fine for me as i18n is completely my spare time effort14:05
amotokieumel8: i think 0700 UTC is hard for you14:06
ianychoiFor me, 13:00 UTC is fine but 07:00 UTC is sometimes hard14:06
eumel8amotoki: not really. I get up mostly early :)14:07
amotokisame for me for 0700UTC. it is in office hours and I usually have weekly meeting14:07
jpich0700 UTC can be a bit rough for me too fwiw, though it's still feasible. But prioritise the regular members preferences :)14:07
eumel8now we have summer time and our local wekly meeting is one hour behind shifted14:08
ianychoiI don't remember previous IRC meeting times, but I18n team tried to have bi-weekly meeting to make I18n team meeting accessible to every location as much as possible14:08
amotokithat's the reason I usually missed 0700UTC meetings :p14:09
eumel8I had this week a virtual sprint starting at 01:00 UTC - THAT'S hard for me ;-)14:09
ianychoiPreviously, it was 06:00 UTC and 13:00 UTC considering US-EU-Asia time zones, but from about 2 years, there is almost no attendees from US timezone and 07:00 UTC time was set considering more on EU time zones14:09
ianychoieumel8, sorry about last virtual sprint. I just did it with offline local event in Korea14:10
eumel8ianychoi: no worry, it's seems you have done a lot of work there?14:10
eumel8saw some commits and fixes from attendees...14:11
amotokire the virtual sprint, I think we forgot to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493788/ in the meeting14:11
ianychoieumel8, on 01:00 - 06:00 UTC, I emphasized to explain more on I18n team :) and Yep - I encouraged participants to submit a commit :)14:11
amotoki(Asian countries have no summer time, so we can easily convert local times into UTC :p)14:12
ianychoiIt looks so difficult.. I think amotoki's suggestion might address it :) using msggrep (I really did not know that - thanks a lot!)14:12
ianychoiI think I can see it on this weekend..14:12
amotokiianychoi: sounds perfect14:13
ianychoiI will meet the original committer on this Saturday offline14:13
amotokiperhaps msg*** tools are friends of AJaeger and me :)14:13
ianychoiamotoki, you are really pioneer on I18n team with lots of knowledge on dealing with GNU PO files14:13
eumel8ianychoi: you want to double check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493788/ again?14:14
ianychoieumel8, yep - I will do in on this weekend :) Sure14:14
amotokiianychoi: I was a previous maintainer of jman (japanese manuals of linux manual pages) and I learned a lot14:14
eumel8okay, then I leave it as is14:15
ianychoiRegarding this, I18n team needs to support documention translation support not only openstack-manuals, training-guides, i18n, but also other repos14:15
ianychoi"Generic approach" as amotoki mentioned in the review..14:15
amotokieumel8: ianychoi: I dont' think we need to block the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493788/ as it reduces unnecessary strings14:15
amotokiwe can explore and improve more efficient way14:16
amotokithat's the reason I didn't -1 to that14:16
ianychoieumel8, I am sure that current proposal definitely reduces the number of strings in csv :)14:16
eumel8ianychoi: sure - more or less :-))14:17
amotokiI am fine to merge the current version now14:17
ianychoiNote that I do not give +2 because I am also a co-author14:17
amotokihaha14:18
amotokiI just noticed it14:18
ianychoiAnyway, I18n sprint in Korea was great to deliver messages to local people that I18n team focus does not limit to translation contribution.14:19
amotokiianychoi: sounds great14:19
amotokiianychoi: how many folks joined it?14:19
ianychoiamotoki, total seven but full-time was four actually14:20
amotokiianychoi: nice14:20
amotokiianychoi: as JP community we tend to focus on operator meetups14:20
ianychoiamotoki, I see - next February?14:21
amotokinext March one is a global event. we also have local ops meetups twice a year14:21
amotokialong with OpenStack Days Tokyo and Okinawa Open Days14:22
ianychoiAha great :)14:22
ianychoiYep.. :)14:22
amotokimost JP operators read and search english document and sources.... according to my rough survey in OpenStack Days two year ago14:23
amotokiianychoi: is it okay to merge this now and discuss/explore nicer way? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493788/14:27
amotokiianychoi: we lost several translations due to CSV contents14:28
eumel8only +2 for the review14:30
eumel8we could merge it bit I want to wait for ianychoi14:31
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ianychoiamotoki, eumel8: It would be great if you both give +2 for the review :)14:38
eumel8i would give +1 for the workflow. that would be a good stats as PTL for the first day :)14:39
ianychoi:)14:42
amotokiianychoi: eumel8: thanks. I pushed it into the gate with some comment.14:42
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amotokiwe usually do this kind of things in IRC in other projects14:43
eumel8ok14:43
amotokiwhat I believe is important is we should do such in open like IRC :)14:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/i18n master: Excludes csv stat data from pot generation  https://review.openstack.org/49378814:46
eumel8ok, time to go home. see you later14:47
amotokihave a nice evening :)14:48
jpichHave a nice evening!14:48
amotokijpich: you too :)14:48
jpich:)14:49
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