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| eumel8 | ping | 12:54 |
| eumel8 | 5 minutes to start the team meeting | 12:55 |
| eumel8 | mhm, nobody is there. I have to move due the upcoming storm front. We can discuss things later here. | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, hmm it seems that eumel8 is in transportation. By the way, how r u going? :) | 14:12 |
| jftalta | I'm fine ! | 14:12 |
| jftalta | and you ? | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | Me too although I am busy on my primary job | 14:13 |
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| eumel8_ | nick in use | 14:16 |
| eumel8_ | why? | 14:16 |
| jpich | two eumel8 /o\ | 14:16 |
| ianychoi | Didn't u quit your IRC in your office? | 14:16 |
| eumel8_ | mhmm, no chat client in the process list | 14:17 |
| eumel8_ | anyway, I'm here :) | 14:17 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:18 |
| eumel8_ | really no chat client in the list | 14:19 |
| eumel8_ | strange | 14:19 |
| ianychoi | Some connection on irccloud? | 14:20 |
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| eumel8 | ircloud was connected, not the local client | 14:21 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi :) | 14:22 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, np :) | 14:22 |
| eumel8 | next test the meeting bot | 14:22 |
| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 14:22 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 18 14:22:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:22 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 14:22 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 14:22 |
| eumel8 | wah | 14:22 |
| eumel8 | :) | 14:22 |
| jpich | woohoo :) | 14:22 |
| eumel8 | Welcome to the I18n team meeting | 14:22 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:23 |
| eumel8 | #info next week will be no meeting due my longer business trip | 14:23 |
| ianychoi | Oh enjoy your trip :) | 14:23 |
| eumel8 | partly, it's a "must-attend" event from the management ;) | 14:24 |
| eumel8 | #topic translate-dev.openstack.org with Zanata 4.3.3 for tests available | 14:24 |
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| eumel8 | first topic | 14:24 |
| eumel8 | since few days we have Zanata 4.3.3 on stage in translate-dev.o.o | 14:25 |
| eumel8 | the database was cleared and my new registration was sucessful (after some email issues) | 14:25 |
| eumel8 | I uploaded a project and some translation files, but tested not so much things | 14:25 |
| eumel8 | anyone else on the dev platform? | 14:26 |
| ianychoi | "Service unavailable" now on https://openstackid-dev.openstack.org/accounts/user/login | 14:26 |
| ianychoi | Oh it works again :) | 14:26 |
| jftalta | indeed ! | 14:27 |
| eumel8 | maybe sleeping database connection | 14:27 |
| jftalta | I've just signed up... | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, "grey-listing of the confirmation email" in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531736/ means that there is no recipient from "Zanata registration" e-mails? | 14:28 |
| jftalta | I just received the account activation email and I've activated my account :-) | 14:29 |
| eumel8 | sender adress verification. If your email provider has some kind of feature, there is a problem because noreply@openstack.org gives a user unknown error | 14:29 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: yeah, you have a bad email provider ;) | 14:30 |
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| eumel8 | don't no if there still discussions on the infra team to reconfigure the adress to /dev/null. | 14:30 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, it is difficult to figure out current status on ianw's comment. | 14:31 |
| jftalta | yes, a friend of mine, his name is Goo...something ;-) | 14:31 |
| eumel8 | Or we use another sender adress, we can configure this | 14:31 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: brave friend ;) | 14:31 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, then should we use different sender e-mail address? | 14:32 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: something else without user unknown. I don't know if this was a problem in the past. This is not specific to the new Zanata version. | 14:33 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... | 14:34 |
| ianychoi | I now confirm that it happened from Zanata 3.7.3 to 3.9.6 upgrade.. | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | From my seeing on my received e-mails from noreply@openstack.org | 14:36 |
| eumel8 | I have no idea which address we should use instead | 14:36 |
| eumel8 | zanata@openstack.org and then routing the adress to ... | 14:37 |
| ianychoi | Let's ask to Zanata development team | 14:38 |
| eumel8 | sorry, but this is not specfic to Zanata | 14:40 |
| eumel8 | look here: #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callback_verification | 14:40 |
| eumel8 | some people use this feature and sometimes it makes sense. On the other hand some kind of emails get lost, like in this case | 14:41 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I confirm that noreply@openstack.org was used from Zanata 3.7.3 and at that time recipient e-mail address was written. However, after upgrading to Zanata 3.9.6, it disappeared. | 14:42 |
| eumel8 | I would talk to the infra team. Maybe there are still some solutions in use. | 14:43 |
| ianychoi | Okay | 14:43 |
| eumel8 | #action eumel8 will talk to the infra team to change the sender address in Zanata. | 14:44 |
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| eumel8 | at least we need 2 addresses for dev and the prod server | 14:44 |
| eumel8 | okay, we have still time for tests. I would start Zanata live upgrade after Release date. | 14:45 |
| eumel8 | maybe we get a new order to translate User Survey but this is not deciced yet. | 14:45 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/manifests/site.pp#n1739 is the pointer I think | 14:46 |
| eumel8 | if yes, we would have some additional work and shift the Zanata upgrade after that. | 14:46 |
| jftalta | we will have to warn the users (i.e. translators/reviewers) before to deploy on the Prod platform | 14:47 |
| ianychoi | Agreed | 14:47 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, but you can change this: https://translate-dev.openstack.org/admin/server_configuration?dswid=-3777 | 14:47 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yes of course | 14:47 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: yes, better we solve the issue. | 14:48 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: what about the "dead button" in user settings? | 14:48 |
| ianychoi | dead button? | 14:48 |
| eumel8 | "remove connection" | 14:48 |
| eumel8 | you mentioned this earlier | 14:49 |
| ianychoi | I am scared on the button. | 14:49 |
| eumel8 | I know :) | 14:49 |
| eumel8 | you klick this and you're dead :) | 14:49 |
| ianychoi | If I click the button, I think I cannot access translate-dev.o.o again | 14:49 |
| eumel8 | openid url will deleted in zanata database | 14:49 |
| jftalta | :-( | 14:50 |
| ianychoi | Yeah then nobody would help on this issue | 14:50 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you can register new, but an admin must remove your old user and I think this removes all your stats | 14:50 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, unfortunately I cannot do it because I now have only one account in OpenStack Foundation. | 14:51 |
| ianychoi | Even I register new account in openstack.org, this new account will not be synced with openstackid-dev | 14:51 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: doesn't care. I tested it (remove connection) and after that a new registration form on zanata will start with your openid account | 14:52 |
| eumel8 | but you cant't use the old username in zanata because it's still in the database | 14:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, ?? I already registered my account in translate-dev.o.o and I can access now | 14:52 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: no, no new openstackid account. You can use the same. | 14:52 |
| ianychoi | Since the database was cleared :) | 14:53 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, if you klick "remove connection" in zanata user settings, the openid url will deleted for your account in zanata dababase | 14:53 |
| eumel8 | all other data are still there and it works untill you need a new login | 14:54 |
| ianychoi | Hmm | 14:55 |
| eumel8 | in a hard case, somebody could insert the openid url in database, but for daily work it's not possible | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | Infra team can insert openid column manually but I think it is not a good idea | 14:56 |
| eumel8 | I didn't tested yahoo and fedora openid. I don't know what happen if you add more connections there | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | Neither do I | 14:57 |
| eumel8 | uncertain if this is a bug or a feature | 14:57 |
| ianychoi | I think it would be so nice if there is some settings in Administration menu which controls the visibility of openid section in users' settings | 14:57 |
| eumel8 | singleopenid is configured. But the other openid providers are still in the user settings. | 14:59 |
| eumel8 | if multiopenid is configured, then you have the options also on login and registration | 14:59 |
| eumel8 | admin should be able to configure openid url for user | 15:00 |
| eumel8 | but I'm not sure if we should wait for the feature or go on with the upgrade in prod | 15:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-i18n/%23openstack-i18n.2017-12-06.log.html#t2017-12-06T01:20:24 | 15:02 |
| ianychoi | That is what I briefly discussed with pahuang about a month ago. | 15:02 |
| eumel8 | alright | 15:04 |
| eumel8 | thx for sharing | 15:04 |
| eumel8 | then I think we should move on with the upgrade in prod | 15:04 |
| eumel8 | we have the right version as zip file | 15:05 |
| eumel8 | I reworked the puppet module with war files but this is untested and duplicates the work for all | 15:05 |
| eumel8 | so we can update the puppet module later | 15:05 |
| ianychoi | Good... thanks a lot for your on-going progress! | 15:06 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531809/ | 15:06 |
| eumel8 | ^^ that's for the module upgrade | 15:07 |
| eumel8 | so, let's move on with the topics | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | okay | 15:08 |
| eumel8 | #topic PTL election for Rocky | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL election for Rocky (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 15:08 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 15:08 |
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| jftalta | when will it occur ? | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | my time as PTL is nearly over. the next PTL election is in 2 weeks | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | nomination starts 01/29 | 15:09 |
| jftalta | time flies... | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | till 02/07 | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | I'm still with you but if anyone is interested in Rocky PTL I would strong support this. | 15:11 |
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| eumel8 | I didn't reached all goals in Queens and would focus the work a little bit more to our main work in Rocky. | 15:12 |
| jftalta | on my part, I'm still supporting you | 15:12 |
| ianychoi | Unfortunately it is so difficult for me to attend to next Dublin PTG. IMO it would be so nice if Rocky PTL will go to the PTG. | 15:13 |
| jftalta | and yes, you need extra time to achieve the goals | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | Surely, I would like to support all I18n activities :) | 15:14 |
| eumel8 | thx, I think we have great European teams in France, Germany, Russia ... but there are still some blind fields on the map and I would try this summer to cach more people for our team | 15:14 |
| ianychoi | Sounds so great! | 15:15 |
| eumel8 | the next PTG will be in North America and I will not be there. because it's to much travel. Maybe we plan a virtual meetup instead. Some teams are doing this also for this cycle. | 15:16 |
| eumel8 | s/to/too/g | 15:17 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, are you planning some travels on PTG or Summits this year? | 15:18 |
| jftalta | sounds good | 15:18 |
| jftalta | yes I do. Vancouver summity | 15:18 |
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| jftalta | *summit* | 15:18 |
| ianychoi | Wow :) | 15:18 |
| eumel8 | I'm also booked for Vancouver | 15:19 |
| jftalta | great :-) | 15:19 |
| eumel8 | switch topic | 15:19 |
| eumel8 | #topic: CFP Vancouver Summit | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": CFP Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 15:19 | |
| eumel8 | maybe the hour is over and the bot will end the meeting | 15:19 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, the bot will not automatically terminate the meeting as far as I know. | 15:20 |
| eumel8 | CfP is open for Vancouver. I submitted a talk about community work and I18n technique. If someone is interested to join, then let me know. | 15:21 |
| eumel8 | unfortunatelly I can't share the proposal | 15:22 |
| jpich | Good luck :) | 15:24 |
| ianychoi | Good luck too! :) | 15:24 |
| jftalta | do you need some help ?... | 15:24 |
| ianychoi | How about jpich? R u also planning to attend to PTG or Summits? (Surely you will definitely go to Dublin PTG.) | 15:25 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: thx, maybe re-use some slides from Boston | 15:25 |
| jftalta | ok | 15:25 |
| ianychoi | Reusing is so nice :) | 15:25 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Dublin PTG should be ok, yes :-] I have conflicting travel during Vancouver so I won't be going there | 15:26 |
| jpich | also it's very far | 15:26 |
| eumel8 | jpich goes to the Dublin PTG? You make jokes! | 15:26 |
| jpich | especially compared to Dublin ;) | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I see then Berlin would be more comfortable to u than Vancouver :) | 15:26 |
| jpich | Yeah, I hope I can go to Berlin but it's too early to tell | 15:27 |
| ianychoi | jpich, okay :) | 15:27 |
| jpich | :) | 15:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, haha :) | 15:27 |
| jpich | any good timing for you and PTGs/upcoming Summits, ianychoi? | 15:27 |
| eumel8 | it seems in Dublin we are also a bit outside like in Denver. | 15:28 |
| jpich | A bit yeah. I think it's not as bad though, and public transport is better | 15:28 |
| eumel8 | but it's Ireland, if you are on the country side, you will see the ocean | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | jpich, Dublin PTG is so difficult for me. For others, unfortunately I cannot tell right now. But, I really want to go to Berlin to see eumel8's country :) | 15:29 |
| eumel8 | jpich: btw. you have trains? Maybe we will miss it... | 15:29 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you can drive by car here > 200 km/h | 15:30 |
| jpich | eumel8: There's a couple of train stations within walking distances yeah. Plenty of buses too - that's how I'll be coming :) | 15:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, Oh LoL :) | 15:31 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: Hope you can make it to Berlin! :) | 15:31 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I hope so - thank u :) | 15:31 |
| eumel8 | ianchoi: but don't expect too much, it's not the best time to travel in November | 15:32 |
| jftalta | I'll be in Berlin to | 15:32 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I can count numbers in German hehe :) | 15:32 |
| jftalta | eins, zwei, drei, vier, funf, .... | 15:33 |
| eumel8 | jftalta: great! We started to organize the Summit last week so all attendees have a good feeling here | 15:33 |
| jpich | Nice | 15:33 |
| eumel8 | you have to change keyboard layout ;) | 15:33 |
| jftalta | yes ! | 15:33 |
| jftalta | fünf | 15:34 |
| eumel8 | ++ | 15:34 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 15:34 |
| eumel8 | a can approve this ;) | 15:34 |
| eumel8 | so, no problems with order drinks | 15:35 |
| eumel8 | I switch the topic | 15:36 |
| eumel8 | #topic: Queens Release translattion phase | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Queens Release translattion phase (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 15:36 | |
| jftalta | a major topic... | 15:36 |
| eumel8 | let's look in the plan: #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:36 |
| eumel8 | scrolling down, down, down ... | 15:37 |
| eumel8 | soft string freeze starts next week Monday | 15:37 |
| jftalta | yes. R-5 | 15:38 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: When you expect stable branching? In RC-1? | 15:38 |
| ianychoi | (Looking) | 15:38 |
| jpich | As usual, tripleo-ui is cycle-trailing and will start freezing a couple of weeks later... Also master branch translations are still broken, there are patches to help but we have to solve some general CI issues on the project first! | 15:39 |
| jpich | (Working on it!) | 15:39 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yes but On Soft StringFreeze, encouraging translations on master branch first would be nice I think | 15:40 |
| eumel8 | jpich: thx | 15:41 |
| ianychoi | since the time between RC1 and final RC are rather short | 15:41 |
| ianychoi | jpich, just plz tell me or eumel8 after finally fixing this issue - we might need to re-fill out translation result from translation memory since translation source is currently empty on tripleo-ui | 15:42 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Yes, I will reply to that thread and ping you both when it's finally resolved. Thanks for that, I'm relieved we can recover them! | 15:42 |
| ianychoi | jpich, power of Zanata :) | 15:42 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: alright, I will scan dev mailing list for infos and ask robcresswell, our valuable customer :) | 15:43 |
| jpich | zanata++ :) | 15:43 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep and also discussing with current Horizon PTL is good I think :) | 15:44 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi, jpich: tripleo-ui -> easy going, easy to translate | 15:44 |
| jpich | Small mercies | 15:44 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: of course. and after that trying to search new zuul jobs for sync the new branches ;) | 15:45 |
| ianychoi | eumel8 is so great I18n PTL! :) | 15:46 |
| eumel8 | thx :) | 15:46 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 15:46 | |
| eumel8 | so, there are more open discussions between the normal topics | 15:47 |
| jftalta | It's getting late, I have to leave you... | 15:47 |
| eumel8 | but it was a very good meeting :) | 15:47 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, have a good dinner :) | 15:47 |
| eumel8 | thx jftalta, have a nice evening | 15:47 |
| jftalta | dinner, evening... no, just back to work ! | 15:48 |
| jftalta | ahaha | 15:48 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, haha see u! | 15:48 |
| jftalta | see u ! | 15:48 |
| jftalta | goodbye all ! | 15:49 |
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| eumel8 | alright, if there are no more topics, then thx to all for attending | 15:49 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, are you planning to more deploy playbooks in openstack/i18n repo? | 15:50 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I think so, there is an URI module in Ansible which is good to work on APIs and I believe we will use Zanata API more in the future. | 15:51 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: and sorry for my limited Python skills, but I wasn't able to write the stats script in this language. | 15:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, now I have two more idea on that: 1) That idea looks nice if the playbooks will be integrated with Zuul jobs later to automate I18n stuff and u will guide more to me and other I18n team members and 2) Then I think adding a virtualenv for tox would be a good idea like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-ansible/tree/tox.ini#n100 | 15:53 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, using playbooks is intended to automate jobs, not for scripting purposes. For scripting purposes, I think using shell script or Python would be much better for maintainability. | 15:55 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: thx for the link. That makes really sense. And of course, integrating this kind of jobs in Zuul is also possible. | 15:55 |
| ianychoi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html | 15:57 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I can guide you in Ansible, of course, but I try also to understand Zuul jobs to test them locally or repair them when it's broken. But this takes time for understanding. | 15:58 |
| ianychoi | "pip install -r test-requirements.txt" is better than describing specific versions in a document. From this idea, I found that sample in openstack-ansible repository. | 15:58 |
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| ianychoi | And like "tox -e venv -- python ./tools/zanata/zanata_stats.py " :) | 15:59 |
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| ianychoi | I simply installed "apt install ansible" but it seems that it installs so old ansible version. | 15:59 |
| eumel8 | ok, have to look into | 15:59 |
| ianychoi | I think "pip install ansible" is better :) | 16:00 |
| eumel8 | just wondering about < 2.0 version. I won't ask which OS version you have installed ;) | 16:00 |
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| ianychoi | I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and I now tell that installing with apt will result so old Ansible version. | 16:01 |
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| eumel8 | mhmm, strange | 16:02 |
| ianychoi | But on tox.ini in openstack-ansible repo, it seems that ansible version is specified as requirement and controlled by pip I think | 16:02 |
| eumel8 | 2.0.0.2-2 - indeed | 16:02 |
| ianychoi | "ansible-playbook 2.0.0.2 | 16:03 |
| ianychoi | " | 16:03 |
| ianychoi | but I saw the error unfortunately | 16:03 |
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| ianychoi | No more on open discussions from me | 16:04 |
| eumel8 | thx | 16:05 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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| ianychoi | You're welcome :) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 18 16:05:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-01-18-14.22.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-01-18-14.22.txt | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-01-18-14.22.log.html | 16:05 |
| ianychoi | Thanks, eumel8 and jpich ! | 16:05 |
| jpich | Thanks! :) | 16:05 |
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