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| eumel8 | Good Morning again | 08:42 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, I saw some messages about 1 hour ago in #openstack-meting IRC channel. | 08:50 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, Hello :) | 08:50 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, we decided to move the team meeting here :) | 08:54 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, what time according to UTC (I am a little confused with time zones mentioned at the conversation) | 08:55 |
| ianychoi | ? | 08:55 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: it would be now, if you have time ;) | 08:55 |
| eumel8 | jftalta will join us in few minutes | 08:57 |
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| eumel8 | jftalta: hello again ;) | 08:57 |
| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 8 08:59:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I can join after about 10 mins.. | 09:00 |
| jftalta | hello ! | 09:00 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: alright | 09:00 |
| jftalta | ok | 09:00 |
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| eumel8 | I can share some information meanwhile | 09:01 |
| eumel8 | #topic Edge Computing White Paper Translation | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Edge Computing White Paper Translation (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 09:01 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents | 09:01 |
| eumel8 | As I already mentioned on the mailing list there is a new whitepaper to translate | 09:02 |
| eumel8 | Zanata supports plain text files so the document is not implemented in our ci/cd environment | 09:03 |
| eumel8 | but I mentioned this by the Foundation to translate other documents to spread the information in different languages | 09:05 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) IMO we might need to define how to map such documents. For upstream projects, projects in Zanata are mapped into repositories in upstream projects, but not sure on such documents. | 09:08 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, this was also my idea. But from the working groups it's a little bit oversized because the target document is not in Sphinx | 09:09 |
| ianychoi | Maybe grouping by "working-groups" as a project and adding documents would be nice? | 09:11 |
| eumel8 | yes. this will come when the second document will reached us ;) | 09:13 |
| ianychoi | Agred | 09:13 |
| ianychoi | s/Agred/Agreed | 09:13 |
| eumel8 | but I will push that in the direction of the normal workflow. At the moment there are no resident data on Zanata because all of the information are in git repos. The working group documents are only there and not versioned. So the problems could start later | 09:14 |
| eumel8 | as a site note: we will get some more translators on the platform because the team members of the working group are interested in translation :) | 09:15 |
| eumel8 | okay, have to move on a little bit because my next meeting is in the schedule | 09:15 |
| eumel8 | #topic PTG topics | 09:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG topics (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 09:16 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-i18n-PTG | 09:16 |
| ianychoi | I do not have strong opinion on such direction, and I would like to support this idea. However, managing version names might be dealt carefully. | 09:16 |
| eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-rocky | 09:16 |
| ianychoi | I think naming version as "master" would be fine. | 09:16 |
| eumel8 | the PTG will start in some more then 2 weeks | 09:17 |
| eumel8 | I put some links there for Team Photo and Interview sessions from RDO and the Foundation | 09:17 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 09:17 |
| ianychoi | Nice | 09:18 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: your previous idea was the join remotely. I think this will work out only partly. My idea for the next PTG would be a plain virtual event so more people are able to join. | 09:19 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I see - thanks for helping on virtual event idea. | 09:21 |
| eumel8 | alright | 09:22 |
| eumel8 | #topic PTL election for Rocky | 09:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL election for Rocky (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 09:22 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 09:23 |
| ianychoi | Congratulation, eumel8 for becoming Rocky I18n PTL! | 09:23 |
| eumel8 | this is just a reminder that PTL election is ongoing | 09:23 |
| ianychoi | Since there is 1 candidate in I18n team, eumel8 should be come Rocky PTL | 09:23 |
| jftalta | indeed ! | 09:24 |
| eumel8 | as you can see in the last minutes all positions are saved | 09:24 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hello! | 09:24 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, Hi ! | 09:24 |
| eumel8 | and as you also see we have still the same persons in use ;) | 09:24 |
| eumel8 | but I have to think about the next PTL in the next cycle ;) | 09:25 |
| eumel8 | but thanks for the congratulations and your support! | 09:25 |
| jftalta | :-) | 09:25 |
| eumel8 | #topic Project Update Vancouver Summit | 09:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Update Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 09:26 | |
| eumel8 | there is also a new information: I want to share with pkovar a 20 min slot for project update docs/i18n | 09:27 |
| eumel8 | at this time we should have Zanata 4 live and there is really an update there | 09:27 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 09:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 09:27 | |
| eumel8 | so, open discussions | 09:28 |
| eumel8 | but I have the next meeting to chair in 2 min ;) | 09:28 |
| ianychoi | New Zanata version is available. | 09:28 |
| ianychoi | #link https://github.com/zanata/zanata-platform/releases/tag/platform-4.4.3 | 09:28 |
| ianychoi | I think Zanata is evolving fast :) | 09:29 |
| ianychoi | Thank u eumel8 and jftalta - have a good Thursday, and see u later! | 09:29 |
| jftalta | bye bye eumel8. Have a good meeting ! | 09:30 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 09:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack goes multilingual! | I18n & L10n channel" | 09:30 | |
| eumel8 | thx | 09:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 8 09:30:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-02-08-08.59.html | 09:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-02-08-08.59.txt | 09:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-02-08-08.59.log.html | 09:30 |
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| jpich | Should we officially move the early meeting by one hour? | 09:44 |
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| eumel8 | jpich: I think there is no time slot at #openstack-meeting available. And it's collided with some other meetings with me | 10:12 |
| jpich | eumel8: I think it'd be fine to move the meeting to #openstack-i18n, multiple projects have started doing that. I just noticed that it's the second time we move the meeting by one hour, but actually I think last time was the 13:00 UTC one so never mind :-) | 10:13 |
| jpich | 07:00 UTC tends to be in the middle of my Thursday commute so it's difficult to attend | 10:14 |
| jpich | If it works for others all good though, I'll stick to the 13:00 UTC one :) And congratulations on your new PTLship, btw, eumel8 !! | 10:15 |
| amotoki | i don't usually join 700UTC meetings, so I don't care the time. | 10:21 |
| amotoki | (due to my office hour) | 10:22 |
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| eumel8 | amotoki: what about 08:00 UTC? | 10:36 |
| amotoki | my regular office hour ends around 0830UTC, so the difference would be small to me. | 10:37 |
| amotoki | perhaps 1600UTC works for me | 10:37 |
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| eumel8 | ok, maybe to discuss on the next meeting | 11:22 |
| jpich | May be worth mentioning on list as well, since maybe people who would like a meeting time change are the ones who can't attend atm? | 11:47 |
| eumel8 | jpich: I'm a little bit nervous. The docs team changed the meeting time a lot. At the end, pkovar was alone yesterday in the meeting. That's only partly funny. | 11:59 |
| jpich | eumel8: Yeah, that is fair enough. In the end there *are* people attending the 0700UTC and it provides good geographical coverage with the 1300UTC one so maybe it's fine and doing its job. Not everybody is meant to be able to attend both :) | 12:01 |
| * jpich stops rabble-rousing | 12:01 | |
| eumel8 | :) | 12:02 |
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| eumel8 | fyi: we move on with releasing. The winner is monasca-ui which has the first stable/queens branch in place: https://github.com/openstack/monasca-ui/tree/stable/queens | 14:05 |
| jpich | woohoo :) | 14:08 |
| eumel8 | more are on sight | 14:13 |
| amotoki | eumel8: most projects cut stable/queens this week. I think you will be busy on creating stable-queens version on Zanata this week or the next. | 14:26 |
| amotoki | eumel8: unfortunately regardless of ianychoi's effort, many dashboard projects still have variaations on their release models. | 14:27 |
| amotoki | eumel8: I am not sure all GUI projects will cut stable branches this week. | 14:27 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: yes, saw your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/542006/ as example | 14:29 |
| amotoki | eumel8: yes, neutron-vpnaas-dashboard missed the deadline of milestone-2 so we failed to adopt cycle-with-milestone | 14:30 |
| amotoki | eumel8: I sent the patch with help from doug and sean | 14:31 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: this week and next week are okay for me, I have time to scan the mailing list and gerrit :) | 14:31 |
| amotoki | perhaps we can focus on dashboard related projects | 14:31 |
| amotoki | eumel8: do you know what is the recommended model for horizon plugins with translations? | 14:42 |
| amotoki | eumel8: unfortunately I don't know the conclusion. does only ianychoi know? | 14:43 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, eumel8: "cycle-with-milestone" is the highly recommended model for translation target and translation activities with releases in I18n contributor guide is based on supporting such release model targets. | 14:44 |
| ianychoi | (I am in another meeting so might response slower..) | 14:44 |
| eumel8 | ok | 14:45 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: thanks. is it documented somewhere already? | 14:53 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: I just would like to clarify the current situation | 14:53 |
| amotoki | if we really want "cycle-with-milestone" for dashboard projects, I think the i18n team need to push the adoption of "cycle-with-milestone" more aggresively in Rocky release | 14:55 |
| amotoki | for example, to propose the release model change in openstack/releases | 14:56 |
| amotoki | I am stepping down from coordinating release of horizon and horizon plugins (while most jobs I did in past releases are no longer needed now) | 14:57 |
| amotoki | actually "soft string freeze" period found a lot of i18n bugs/improvements in horizon and horizon plugins (as perspective of Japanese team) | 14:59 |
| amotoki | I think it is still worth announcing the start of translations around "soft string freeze" but I am not sure it is true for all langs. | 15:00 |
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| -amotoki- good night | 15:06 | |
| ianychoi | amotoki, oh | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | I am back now - sorry I was participating in a different meeting. | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I discussed release models around one year ago at Atlanta PTG with Release team and summarized at: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-February/002789.html | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | I would like to copy & paste some sentences here: | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | "I18n team will consider Soft & Hard StringFreeze for the projects which | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | follow cycle-with-milestone release model." | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | "I18n team will also consider translation with releases for the projects | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | which follow cycle-with-intermediary release model if they are fine | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | following deadlines." | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | "For cycle-trailing release models, I18n will consider translations with managing stable versions in translation platform if there is I18n cross-project liaison [5] for the project." | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | 4. "I18n team will propose a specification to tag (e.g., with “translate”)" | 15:10 |
| ianychoi | 5. "I18n team will ask to Zanata development team to automate to create new stable versions in Zanata, copying master translations over." | 15:10 |
| amotoki | "cycle-trailing" model is mainly for deployment tool projects, so the recommendation looks "cycle-with-milestone". | 15:11 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: thanks | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | I agree with amotoki 's idea: pushing release models to cycle-with-milestone or keeping deadlines as much as possible for cycle-with-intermediary and nominating I18n cross-project liaison. | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, sorry I would not able to attend to the next PTG, but I think there will be some PTG sessions with Horizon & plugin teams. It would be so nice if you attend the session and emphasize them.. | 15:12 |
| amotoki | for projects with 'cycle-with-intermediary" from some reasons but who wants translations, they should follow RC1, soft/hard string freeze and cycle-with-milestone model. | 15:12 |
| amotoki | that's my understanding. | 15:12 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: unfortunately, horizon sessions usually have only horizon team members, so it is not a good place to announce it :( | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | And for number 4, I have read somewhere that docs:follow-policy tags are not well followed now. So, tagging would not be a good option now I think. | 15:14 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, aha.. I just thought that such collaboration session would exist | 15:14 |
| amotoki | hehe... but that's what we actually had. | 15:15 |
| amotoki | PTG LT might work though | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | For number 5, I have no idea with current Zanata version from my previous investigation unfortunately. | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | LT would be nice :) | 15:15 |
| eumel8 | yes, I see | 15:15 |
| amotoki | PTG LT: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127100.html | 15:16 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, amotoki: Also, I agree with announcing soft stringfreeze in I18n mailing list. | 15:16 |
| * jpich sees cycle-trailing mention and pops head up | 15:16 | |
| ianychoi | The habits and behaviors of translation activities for translators would be different - some translators prefer to just translate large amount of activities in relatively short period, but some other translators would like to contribute translation if they have free time. | 15:17 |
| amotoki | jpich seems to keep good eyes on keywords :) | 15:17 |
| amotoki | I think we already have consensus on cycle-trailng on deployment tool projects | 15:18 |
| ianychoi | We (current conversation parties) already know when soft stringfreeze happens: https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html but announcing into I18n mailing list would have more visibility into more translators. | 15:18 |
| jpich | Ok :) | 15:19 |
| eumel8 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 15:19 |
| amotoki | in case of ja team, we do rough string check for feedback to upstream projects and do final reviews after hard string freeze. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | I will drop from horizon i18n liaison for Rocky | 15:20 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, hmm then another persion or Horizon Rocky PTL would take the role? | 15:20 |
| amotoki | i don't know it but I think it is time to change it considering my situation | 15:21 |
| amotoki | i can continue to advise though | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | I see :) I think you did this role (and many other activities) a lot and long time :) | 15:23 |
| amotoki | I would like to and need to focus more on neutron and server side projects rather than horizon | 15:23 |
| amotoki | some radical change is needed to me. | 15:23 |
| amotoki | from my experience, most PTLs of horizon/plugins are positive on i18n works if we access them | 15:25 |
| amotoki | but they are passive so we need to contact them if we need more sync or support on i18n/l10n | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks a lot for good advice on Horizon and I18n :) | 15:27 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: yeah, you too | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | Personally, I really hope that there will be more I18n upstream activity participation, and would I anticipate such expectation after I see https://www.openstack.org/community/jobs/#3134 ? | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | There will be a community manager in China :) | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, by the way, are u planning to attend to Dublin PTG? | 15:33 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: yes, I will be there | 15:35 |
| amotoki | horizon and docs sessions will be low priority to me though | 15:35 |
| ianychoi | Aha great and r u also interested in Tokyo Ops meetup on March? | 15:36 |
| ianychoi | Unfortunately in Korea, there is no personal vacation on the 1st year in most Korean companies so thing makes me difficult to plan to participate in OpenStack events last year and this upcoming spring. | 15:38 |
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