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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/i18n master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/567141 | 07:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/567141 | 08:57 |
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| amotoki | eumel8: you around? | 09:58 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: yes, Sir! | 10:12 |
| amotoki | eumel8: hi | 10:12 |
| amotoki | eumel8: I have a question on edge computing whitepaper translation | 10:13 |
| eumel8 | yes | 10:13 |
| amotoki | eumel8: Japanese translation has completed thanks to new members. | 10:13 |
| amotoki | eumel8: we have two questions | 10:13 |
| eumel8 | there is delay | 10:13 |
| amotoki | the one is what is the process to request to publish translations | 10:13 |
| amotoki | the second is how we can check translations as rendered whitepaper. | 10:14 |
| eumel8 | publishing is still in progress. I asked two times already. It takes time to render the pdf an this third party tool an publishing them later | 10:15 |
| eumel8 | I think you want to see this for the Summit, right? | 10:15 |
| eumel8 | I can ask again | 10:16 |
| amotoki | eumel8: I have no special want on this. it is general question. I was asked about what is the next step from ja team members. | 10:17 |
| amotoki | looking at https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/, only chinese transaltion is available.. | 10:17 |
| eumel8 | yes, the chinese people pushing this from the SIG. | 10:18 |
| amotoki | eumel8: btw, I will be at Vancouver. | 10:19 |
| amotoki | I haven't checked schedule conflict, but I try to join i18n related sessions. | 10:20 |
| eumel8 | I'm not attending the Edge Computing meetings anymore because it's too far away from our busines. I would ask Foundation Staff again. The ideas was also to setup a repo with translation support for all this whitepapers and epapers published by the foundation. But this didn't happen. | 10:20 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: yeah, Project Update is very short session. I like this. Unfortunatelly there is the Infra Keynote on the 2nd day at the same time | 10:21 |
| eumel8 | hopefully there are not so much interests on infrastructure stuff ;) | 10:22 |
| amotoki | i think you are talking about OpenDev CI/CD sessions | 10:24 |
| amotoki | that seems what I need to cover :( | 10:24 |
| amotoki | eumel8: thanks for sharing the status of the edge computeing whitepaper translations. | 10:26 |
| amotoki | eumel8: considering the current situation, it seems better we do not encourage translations of the whitepaper. | 10:27 |
| amotoki | if no publish, translation would just waste time.... | 10:28 |
| eumel8 | alright | 10:45 |
| eumel8 | ildikov: maybe you're around and can give a short status about Edge Computing Whitepaper. Otherwise I'll send an email ;) | 10:48 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, let's see during Vancouver Summit! :) | 13:33 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: see you :) | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:34 |
| amotoki | perhaps we need to discuss doc i18n publishing with mordred | 13:34 |
| amotoki | re SIG doc/whitepaper publishing, Japanese team discussed it locally and our consensus is that we need to explore some convenient way to publish translated documents like rst/markdown. | 13:36 |
| amotoki | we don't need to achieve full compatibility with English (original) version. | 13:37 |
| amotoki | refined PDF publishing would be great, but it is not the most important goal. we just would like share translated docs to reach more folks. | 13:38 |
| amotoki | it would be great that SIG folks consider text based options. | 13:38 |
| amotoki | I would like to raise this to the sigs ML. it would be nice if I can get some feedbacks. | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. for open format files, Zanata supports although translated strings have markups such as <p>bulabula</p> | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | I recently have imagined using open format files such as *.odt would be cool for better translation support for published docs like edge computing white pate. | 13:40 |
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| ianychoi | s/pate/paper | 13:40 |
| amotoki | which tools support odt? | 13:48 |
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| ianychoi | https://translate-dev.openstack.org/webtrans/translate?project=ianychoi-test-odp&iteration=master&localeId=ko-KR&locale=en-US&dswid=4422#view:doc;doc:zanata-openstack.odp;textflow:51076 | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | https://www.dropbox.com/s/s2av0mdlys68rnd/zanata-supports-odp.png?dl=0 | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | https://www.dropbox.com/s/j4e2ik7tmd01f24/zanata-supported-formats.png?dl=0 | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | Zanata supports :) | 13:58 |
| amotoki | hmm.... when I clicked translate-dev.o.o it says this connection is not safe.... | 14:01 |
| ianychoi | I have no idea how to deal with ssl issues on translate-dev.o.o | 14:03 |
| amotoki | it seems to use self-certification... | 14:03 |
| amotoki | zanata support is just one of the processes. I think we need a way to publish it easily... | 14:04 |
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| ianychoi | Agreed. Maybe more stuff would be needed - how to upload *.odt files (I am not sure whether using REST APIs is fine for uploading *.odt files), need to check whether *.odt and *.odp formats are friendly, how to manage translated resources (e.g., translated po files need to be synced via i18n repo), and so on.. | 14:07 |
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| amotoki | honestly I haven't used odt format (OpenDocument text in my understanding) .... | 14:09 |
| amotoki | I usually use MS word and Google document too much :) | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | Open Office formats :) | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | but *.odt files can be opened via MS word - that's a so good news | 14:10 |
| amotoki | it seems this is the definition of odt https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000428.shtml | 14:10 |
| amotoki | I also found https://support.office.com/en-us/article/differences-between-the-opendocument-text-odt-format-and-the-word-docx-format-d9d51a92-56d1-4794-8b68-5efb57aebfdc | 14:10 |
| amotoki | "Differences between the OpenDocument Text (.odt) format and the Word (.docx) format" | 14:10 |
| ianychoi | Since OpenStack community encourages using open protocols and formats, using *.odt would be a nice idea but I know that much more people use Word files :) | 14:13 |
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| amotoki | not sure. openoffice or libreoffice is not light too. | 14:16 |
| amotoki | we need both open and light tools :) | 14:16 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, MS word should support *.odt files - I am not saying we should install open office or libre office :) | 14:17 |
| ianychoi | (although there should be some incompatibility...) | 14:18 |
| amotoki | yeah, but sometimes different tools leads to different layouts ... | 14:19 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, I unfortunately don't have any other better idea rather than using Zanata for open formats. | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | perhaps that's the reason we usually use sphinx. | 14:28 |
| amotoki | if we need richer presentations, we will hit minor differences among tools... | 14:29 |
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| ianychoi | I like Sphinx :) haha | 14:50 |
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