Thursday, 2019-05-02

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amotokieumel8: any discussion on translation have started in the docs room?17:05
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eumel8amotoki: not yet17:54
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ianychoieumel8, hello22:01
eumel8ianychoi: hello!22:04
ianychoieumel8, do u prefer irc to sync remote? :)22:05
eumel8yes, I think so22:06
ianychoiyep22:07
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ianychoihow’s it going? stephan is also there??22:07
eumel8stephen is on the nova session22:08
ianychoigot it :)22:09
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eumel8evrardjp wants discuss SIG topic on Sat. Maybe we can prepare something today22:09
evrardjpI think Sat would be a good fit indeed22:10
eumel8we have amotoki around for Weblate topic22:10
ianychoieumel8, thanks a lot - i have visibility on this thanks to your email.22:10
ianychoihello amotoki :)22:10
evrardjpno pressure though22:10
amotokiianychoi: hello22:11
eumel8ianychoi: we had no specific topics so far22:11
ianychoievrardjp, sometimes pressure would be fair.. hope that we would have time with your kind assist22:12
ianychoi#startmeeting openstack_i18n_meeting22:13
openstackMeeting started Thu May  2 22:13:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:13
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ianychoiLet's do :)22:13
eumel8aeh ... jepp, had the same idea ;)22:13
ianychoi#topic Weblate22:13
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ianychoi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2019-April/003397.html22:14
ianychoi#link https://www.redhat.com/archives/zanata-users/2019-April/msg00014.html22:14
ianychoiAlthough there were two replies from Red Hat recently, it definitely seems that Zanata's health status is not good..22:15
ianychoiI heard from ianw that Fedora is investigating with Weblate for translation platform, and from Andreas that some Suse's translation parts are using Weblate22:16
ianychoi(not directly, Clark shared)22:16
ianychoiYesterday, I downloaded translation memory from Zanata: File name is "zanata-allProjects-allVersions-en-US-allLocales.tmx" and the size is about 127 MB.22:17
ianychoiThere might be several considerations for Weblate migration, but I think:22:18
ianychoi- infra side: installation of Weblate instance (can we use Weblate's product?)22:18
ianychoi- infra side: syncing with Gerrit, and git22:19
ianychoi- I18n side: is translation memory migration possible?22:19
ianychoi- i18n side: would usage be easy or difficult?22:19
ianychoieumel8: Any other consideration from your research? amotoki: your thoughts?22:20
eumel8can you add https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-train ?22:20
eumel8clarkb wants to ask for hosting22:21
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eumel8but I'm not sure. We need a place to host pot files22:21
ianychoieumel8, Andrea's idea is that POT is just a kind of intermediate - what I mean, PO files are actually more important from my understanding, and POT file would be a kind of intermediate files. Would you share more why and how posting pot files would be needed in which step in Weblate?22:23
ianychoieumel8, QQ: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-train or https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/I18n-weblate-migration ? :)22:23
ianychoiWill add https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-train first22:24
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eumel8sounds good22:24
eumel8translation memory is supported in any way: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/memory.html22:24
ianychoiAnd openid authentication from infra side22:25
eumel8yeah, want's to talk with Jimmy, but no appointment so far22:25
eumel8Weblate supports openid but not openstackid auth22:26
ianychoiThen it would be fine IMO22:26
eumel8https://github.com/python-social-auth/social-core/pull/35922:26
ianychoiZanata also just supports openid authentication22:26
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eumel8lets go through the list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/I18n-weblate-migration22:27
ianychoiSorry what is python-social-auth/social-core?22:27
eumel8thats the tool that Weblate uses for OpenID22:29
ianychoiAha thanks22:29
eumel8there are many backends so far: https://github.com/python-social-auth/social-core/tree/master/social_core/backends22:30
ianychoi+1 :)22:30
eumel8with that patch we can configure openstackid and openstackid-dev as backend22:30
eumel8there are some questions for me about username so Jimmy with his web guys should take a look22:31
eumel8second thing is the openstack logo inside22:31
eumel8I addressed both22:31
ianychoiOkay - then let's ask for inviting Jimmy and an openstackid developer (maybe Sebastian) to IRC meeting or asking via e-mail. Would it be fine?22:33
ianychoi#action Weblate-openstackid/openid follow-up discussion with I18n team and openstackid developers22:34
ianychoiamotoki, any other comments on Weblate migration from your perspective?22:34
amotokisorry, I am in the neutron session.22:34
ianychoiFine fine I am in home :(22:35
ianychoi#topic Train priority22:35
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eumel8I'm in #208 ;)22:35
ianychoi#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/656047/22:36
ianychoiI agree with Andreas - if there are not too much translation on stable branches, I think not extending to more stable branches would be fine. eumel8 your thoughts?22:36
ianychoiAlso, how about creating another version "releasenotes" to only manage release notes in Zanata?22:37
ianychoiPlease see a comment in22:37
ianychoi#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643085/22:37
ianychoiFor other things, I wanna set the same priority as we have done previously22:38
ianychoiamotoki, quick question: are you still translating Horizon releasenotes?22:38
amotokiianychoi: personally not. Some Japanese translators seems to be translate them.22:39
eumel8not sure if we should working on this further, because it's Zanata related22:40
ianychoiamotoki, thanks a lot for sharing :)22:40
amotokiwhat is the background of having another branch for relnotes?22:40
ianychoiamotoki, the mix of percent in master branch from rsimai: "I have no easy way to see where I can contribute without going down to the source files. I'm OK with any way that allows me to quickly understand, just the way how Zanata presents it is "tainted" with the release notes percentages, for me."22:40
amotokiah, i see. it is about the progress rate in Zanata dashboardm right?22:42
ianychoiYep22:42
ianychoieumel8, how long Weblate migration would take you think? :)22:44
eumel8a day 2 operation. Depends on the architecture for syncs22:45
eumel8interesting point is to work without pot files. is this possible?22:46
ianychoiIf we can do within Train cycle, then I think not touching anymore on Zanata would be fine22:46
eumel8that's the plan, I think22:47
eumel8we have only 2-3 lower issues to fix22:47
ianychoi#topic I18n sync flow clarification22:49
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ianychoieumel8, doesn't weblate support po files? :)22:49
ianychoi#link https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/formats.html22:50
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eumel8for sure, it's only the topic for updates22:50
eumel8thats the point for pot files, I think22:51
ianychoiAha.. so are you mentioning syncing from the source changes on git projects to translation source?22:51
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ianychoiWe can propose that each repo stays pot files then22:52
eumel8I'm not sure, if sync of po files from upstream would be enough. What about new projects without po files?22:52
ianychoiJust note that no storing pot files in each repo would not be possible without the power of Zanata. Previously, using Transifex, pot files were in project repos22:52
eumel8interesting news, thx22:53
ianychoiThen one issue were solved? :)22:53
eumel8storing pot files in the repo?22:54
ianychoiyep22:54
eumel8who builds that?22:54
ianychoiInfra22:54
ianychoiWe can ship generating POT files like https://review.opendev.org/#/c/306915/22:56
ianychoi(although the patch deletes pot files)22:56
eumel8seems like a required zuul job for that22:57
ianychoiUsing weblate, upstream-translation-update and propose-translation-update jobs would be also needed I thought22:59
ianychoiSuch generating POT files can be accomplished within upstream-translation-update job22:59
eumel8It would be nice if we can skip that jobs. I'm not sure if it required.23:00
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ianychoieumel8, how about doing POT update daily with  upstream-translation-update ?23:01
ianychoiFor other stuff, if possible, leaving would be fine :)23:01
eumel8Weblate has the possibility to propose things in Gerrit and receive updates with Webhook23:02
adiantumhi all23:02
ianychoiadiantum, hi!23:02
ianychoieumel8, hmm, then such job should execute after every source change on Gerrit/Git ?23:02
ianychoiIf it is fine, then I am okay :)23:02
ianychoi(what I mean, if it very simplifies I18n work and does not require too much overhead)23:03
ianychoiI am telling that we have solution on POT file generation :)23:03
ianychoieumel8, any more clarification is needed now? :)23:04
ianychoi(I want to move to open discussion not to much more exceed meeting time slots, although I am fine with time now)23:05
ianychoiadiantum, are you in Denver? :)23:05
adiantumianychoi, unfortunately, no23:05
eumel8ianychoi: I'm fine, thx23:06
ianychoi#topic open discussion23:06
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ianychoiadiantum, neither do I :(23:06
adiantumianychoi, heh23:06
ianychoiReally sorry for this Summit + PTG but I think we can meet on the next Summit + PTG :)23:07
ianychoiin China!23:07
adiantum=)23:07
ianychoiI have never been to China, although it is not too far23:07
ianychoieumel8, if it is possible, then staying I18n team status as an official team by this year, and discussing I18n team's future in China would be good23:08
adiantumianychoi, small question, just for clarification: why are we planning to get rid of Zanata?23:08
eumel8ianychoi: sure23:09
ianychoiadiantum, there is no more Zanata open source development from September last year23:09
adiantumwow23:09
eumel8ianychoi: I listed the issues with the SIG on the Etherpad23:09
ianychoiadiantum, active OpenStack folks are finding alternatives for our bright future. If there is active Zanata development, we wanna stay as-is status :)23:09
eumel8what I see so far23:09
adiantumeumel8, are you in Denver?23:10
eumel8yes, I'm in Denver23:10
ianychoieumel8, now, just acknowledging how to change team status from official to sig and identifying how such change impacts in OpenStack world would be fine IMO23:10
ianychoiI more think that final decision can be made from I18n team, since we still do translation activities and are actively finding alternative translation platform23:11
eumel8yes, I also love the project updates to bring the work to the light. SIGs are not so visible23:13
adiantumianychoi, eumel8, and one more question: why we’re going to change from team to sig?23:13
ianychoieumel8, just I am surprised that Zanata translation memory "zanata-allProjects-allVersions-en-US-allLocales.tmx" is not so big - 127 MB23:13
eumel8adiantum: organization overhead, like PTL election, team meetings etc.23:14
ianychoiadiantum, lack of regular meeting rhythm, much less translation activities, and PTL election23:14
adiantumok23:14
eumel8ianychoi: I don't care so many about translation memory. I would bring more machine translations into.23:14
ianychoieumel8, I have another view - still manual translation results can be basement of machine translation data, and I strongly think that translation memory itself can be open source23:15
ianychoiOpenStack Foundation can announce that OpenStack translation memory is available as open source23:16
ianychoifor example23:16
ianychoiCurrently, K8s has L10n team, Ceph team also have translation team. Fedora , Suse, many organizations have translation team.23:17
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ianychoiAlthough some translators from OpenStack are now busy on other stuff, I think they might translate some other projects.. :)23:19
ianychoieumel8, for technically, your investigation on MT is very nice :)23:19
eumel8yeah, I'm looking for that for a long time23:20
ianychoiadiantum, how are you now? :)23:21
adiantumianychoi, good, thank you23:21
ianychoiadiantum, eumel8: thanks a lot for virtual PTG time23:23
ianychoiLet's close today meeting if there is no more very important discussion :) and we can continue general conversation23:24
ianychoi#endmeeting23:24
adiantumianychoi, eumel8, thank you! But looks like i was late and not very helpfull =)23:24
eumel8ok, thx23:24
ianychoi#startmeeting openstack_i18n_meeting23:25
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ianychoi#endmeeting23:25
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ianychoiadiantum, no worries :) very helpful for your attendance and attention!23:33
adiantum=)23:33
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