Saturday, 2013-09-21

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jeblairmordred, clarkb: about 1 month ago, our rate of discarding devstack vms because it took too long for them to boot was 0.17.  it is now 0.93.00:00
jeblairmordred, clarkb: that's a big change in hpcloud behavior00:00
mordredjeblair: oy00:01
mordredjeblair: does 0.93 mean we discard 93% of them?00:01
jeblairmordred: ye00:01
jeblairs00:01
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jeblairmordred: yesterday we discarded 22884 and kept 160500:01
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mordredwow00:02
fungiholy crap that's broken00:02
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mordredWOW00:02
jeblairmordred: a month ago we discarded 1117 and kept 5366 (we kept more because we needed more because we were very busy)00:02
jeblairso it's actually increased as our load has decreased00:02
mordredwhat's our timeout?00:02
jeblair60 seconds00:02
jeblairi don't have actual values, so i can't like do a box plot of what we actually see.... sorry :(00:03
clarkbjeblair: that is why I wrote that patch00:03
clarkbjeblair: I think you merged it, it allows us to configure a timeout in nodepool00:03
jeblairclarkb: yeah, and we may need to use it.  i'm trying to be a good hpcloud customer though00:03
jeblairand also, i'm slightly worried about how long a box that takes > 60 seconds to start sshd will take to run tempest00:04
fungii guess knowing a rough sla for vm provisioning in hpcloud might allow us to set more reasonable expectations in our tooling00:04
clarkbjeblair: ya, its good to communicate with hpcloud, I just realized that hardcoding 60 seconds probably won't work in all cases00:04
clarkbjeblair: and it was a fairly straightforward patch00:04
fungioh, wait, this is 60 seconds to boot *after* hpcloud says the vm is ready?00:05
jeblairfungi: yes00:05
fungiholy crap that's broken00:05
jeblairfungi: it may involve network weirdness too (perhaps it take 30 seconds to boot and another 30 seconds for whatever network madness they have going on to converge)00:05
jeblairfungi: we get 2 different network errors while trying to connect, which makes me suspect that00:06
fungi5 seconds to boot and 55 seconds for the rube goldberg machine to update their cgnat00:06
jeblairya00:06
fungiso openstack(nova) thinks everything's all set and then... clunky network happenings00:07
jeblairmordred, clarkb: can one of you attempt to convey that message?  we can patch nodepool to keep more detailed timings, but i probably won't get to that till next week00:08
mordredyes. conveying now00:08
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Visualize Zuul's NNFI scheduler  https://review.openstack.org/4756900:11
jeblairthat may not be ready for merging ^ but it's probably ready for review00:11
mordredjeblair: whe does the 60 second timeout count begin?00:12
jeblairI want to see more complicated scenarios with that before we merge it, just to make sure it doesn't splat nonsense on the screen.00:12
mordredjeblair: after the node returns OK?00:12
jeblairmordred: when the vm becomes ACTIVE00:12
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mordredjeblair: thank you00:14
mordredjeblair: you don't happen to have a graph showing this do you?00:14
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jeblairmordred: no, i just did some greps; i can make a chart and graph real quick if it would help00:21
mordredjeblair: not if it's going to be effort - if you have one already I thought that some folks like pictures and stuff00:22
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lifelesshow does one make http://activity.openstack.org/data/display/OPNSTK2/Technical+Contributors update company affiliation?01:04
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clarkblifeless: reed is the person to ask, he doesn't seem to be on irc currently01:15
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lifelessclarkb: I need gearman-job-server + the python gearman package, right?01:18
lifelessclarkb: anything else?01:18
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clarkblifeless: you can use just the python "gear" package, it comes with client, worker, and server code01:19
clarkbserver code was initially for testing, but it works pretty well and handilly does the queueing method we prefer without extra config (C server needs some fiddling with to do the right queueing)01:20
lifelessclarkb: whats a good python source tree to read to crib from ?01:20
clarkbhmm, zuul is probably too complicated and the logstash workers are a bit simple... http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/logstash/log-gearman-client.py01:21
clarkblifeless: ^ does it the simple way, which is submit job and never wait for a result01:21
clarkblifeless: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/zuul/launcher/gearman.py does it the more object asynchronousy way01:22
lifelessclarkb: are all things peers?01:22
clarkblifeless: no, clients submit work and workers perform work and the  all talk to the gearman server instead of directly talking to each other01:23
lifelessrighto01:23
lifelessso I need a client example and a worker example01:23
clarkblifeless: you can however make workers clients and so on01:23
lifelessclarkb: if the broker is to detect dropped connections from $-gate nodes01:23
lifelessclarkb: should it be a worker or client?01:24
clarkblifeless: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/logstash/log-gearman-worker.py is my simple worker example. not sure if there is anything better01:24
clarkblifeless: I think the client is notified if the worker performing its work goes away so client01:24
clarkbjeblair: ^ is that correct?01:24
clarkblifeless: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/zuul/launcher/gearman.py#n9301:25
lifelessrighto I've pulled zuul  and nodepool down01:25
lifelessI will study and fiddle01:26
lifelessgeard -d is enough to get going right ?01:26
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clarkblifeless: yes should be01:26
clarkbas -d prevents all of the daemon reqs from being necessary01:26
lifelesscool, thanks01:27
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lifeless-> gate etc etc01:27
lifelessclarkb: daemon reqs?01:27
clarkblifeless: filesystem things for the pid file and so on01:27
lifelessah01:27
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Let devstack to decide about swift storage  https://review.openstack.org/4666302:25
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openstackgerritAlex Gaynor proposed a change to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Made the link to testrepository actually work  https://review.openstack.org/4766904:22
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jeblairlifeless: also, simple versions of each kind of gear client are in the docs: http://gear.readthedocs.org/en/latest/14:40
jeblairlifeless: what are you using gear for?14:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Clean up flake8 issues before switch  https://review.openstack.org/4764014:57
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clarkbjeblair: lifeless needs a multi node test env broker for tripleo15:03
clarkbjeblair: something that when run by a jenkins slave returns an unused "cluster" of baremetal devices free for testing. I believe the intention is to use gearman for that15:04
jeblairclarkb: is this going to run in openstack's ci system?15:07
clarkbjeblair: yes, that is the goal. I suppose I need to describe the plan that was hatched on a whiteboard over the last week15:09
clarkbjeblair: it turns out lxc containers are not able to be stand ins for proper VMs and do tripleo testing for reasons such as iscsid cannot run in a container15:09
jeblairclarkb, lifeless: yes, it would be great if you could write that up and start an email thread about it.15:10
clarkbjeblair: so we are looking at some sort of actual baremetal testing with hardware provided by lifeless. There is an etherpad /me looks for it15:12
clarkbjeblair: tl;dr is we would initially run tests in experimental to prevent blocking anyone else, and nodepool would provision slaves in a cloud that can talk to the baremetal, this will be our entry point to the system15:12
jeblairclarkb: what's the plan to get that running on something that isn't just run by robert?15:14
jeblairclarkb: because we can't have an open infrastructure team responsible for a system critical for the operation of the openstack project that's run on private hardware...15:15
clarkbjeblair: https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster is the etherpad.15:15
clarkbjeblair: right, so a few things there. The tripleo team would be responsible for stuff below the nodepool provisioned node (eg tests break help us to debug and so on).15:17
jeblair"On site hands available if things go sideways - place to file tickets, what is SLA?" from https://etherpad.openstack.org/real-baremetal-testing-requirements is what i'm particularly concerned about since you said "hardware provided by lifeless"15:18
jeblairi don't want to be in a position where if lifeless gets hit by the lottery, we can't test tripleo anymore.15:20
clarkbjeblair: the reason for starting with the experimental queue is in part to learn where friction will happen so that we can sort those things out without impacting others.15:20
clarkbjeblair: right, so I am not sure all of those details have been sorted. I think mordred has some schemes in the works. There was talk of a quick kill switch for the jobs should something go really sideways15:21
jeblairi'm okay with working incrementally and experimentally, i'd just like to know if we're starting on a path that actually has an end.15:21
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mordredmorning all15:54
clarkbmordred: morning15:54
mordredjeblair: the two sides of the coin from my perspective are a) the experimental queue / kill switch, so we can develop the things needed to acomplish this without potentially actually getting the project stuck15:56
mordredand b) growing the resources to a place where robert's cloud is not the only cloud doing this (such as a rack from blue box)15:57
mordredor osuosl15:57
mordredor both15:57
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jeblairmordred: cool, that sounds like a plan.15:57
mordred(long term, I think it would be great if we had something at both osuosl and blue box, because that would be double great)15:58
mordredjeblair: I'm in my own apartment. I'm very confused15:58
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jeblair++ double great15:58
jeblairmordred: you have an apartment?15:58
jeblairmordred: does it come with 500 starwood points?15:59
mordredjeblair: yes!15:59
clarkbha15:59
mordredjeblair: btw - I have officially hit the 125k/diamond now. sad part is - now there are no further status levels to attempt to achieve15:59
mordredI might just stay home for the rest of the year15:59
clarkbthe osl folks hang out in #osuosl perhaps we should hop over there at some point when people are actually working and not doing other things16:00
jeblairmordred: and i thought the point was to _use_ the benefits?16:00
mordredjeblair: thank you. that reminds me why I fly16:00
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mordredlifeless: when we were talking about base nodes for your tripleo testing - I _completely_ forgot that the script that nodepool runs to prepare the nodes is completely configurable/overridable16:01
jeblairclarkb: yes16:01
mordredlifeless: so you can write your own to prep the hosts in whatever way is appropriate (such as pre-caching ubuntu images in the way you want) without jumping through tons of hoops16:01
mordredlifeless: it turns out jeblair designs things to be, well, used16:02
mordred:)16:02
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* mordred goes to add note to etherpad16:02
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mordredok. updated etherpad16:08
jeblairclarkb, mordred: can you decode "T" and "C" and "CT" on that list for me?16:08
mordredjeblair: TripleO, Infra, Combo of TripleO+Infra16:08
mordred(C might have been "clark")16:08
clarkbno it is CI16:09
clarkbpleia2 can help as well we went over that stuff yesterday with zaro and anteaya too16:10
* mordred just expanded names16:11
mordredclarkb: awesome16:11
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Set nodepool boot-timeout to 120 seconds  https://review.openstack.org/4768816:40
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Set nodepool boot-timeout to 120 seconds  https://review.openstack.org/4768816:45
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Made the link to testrepository actually work  https://review.openstack.org/4766916:50
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Add pypy to the list of default envs  https://review.openstack.org/4641616:50
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Add upcall on setUp method  https://review.openstack.org/4765716:50
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jeblairsummer in berkeley just ended -- it's raining17:10
pleia2yeah, here too17:11
pleia2guess I brought it home from Seattle, you're welcome17:11
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mordredoh. wow. there's a dvd drive in the thinkpad docking station17:15
pleia2neat17:15
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mordredpleia2: so I take it you and anteaya eventually made it17:26
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pleia2mordred: heh, yeah, got in around 10:3017:26
pleia2meeting up around noonish today to hash out details for the codechix workshop tomorrow \o/17:26
pleia2good activity for a rainy sf day17:26
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/jeepyb: Fix logic in doc impact  https://review.openstack.org/4672117:28
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Move large-ops test to check pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/4684017:29
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add nodepool to cacti  https://review.openstack.org/4761417:31
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Use templates for Install Guides, Training Guide  https://review.openstack.org/4761317:32
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add Python 3.3 as Experimental for Oslo-Incubator  https://review.openstack.org/4717017:34
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add an openstack-sos mailing list  https://review.openstack.org/4745417:37
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Adds support to specify a different jenkis_jobs_builder username  https://review.openstack.org/4715617:37
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/gerritlib: Add comments option to query  https://review.openstack.org/4739617:38
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Trigger post-mirror for diskimage-builder, tripleo-image-elements  https://review.openstack.org/4746117:39
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Use templates for old manual jobs  https://review.openstack.org/4769118:19
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Use Jenkins templates for old manual jobs  https://review.openstack.org/4769118:24
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anteayajust had breakfast at the grove18:38
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anteayapleia2, shall I mosey over?18:55
pleia2anteaya: yeah sure :)18:55
pleia2and the grove is wonderful!18:55
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anteayait is!18:56
anteayadoing well on concierge suggestions this trip18:56
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openstackgerritYulia Portnova proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: New project: manila, python-manilaclient  https://review.openstack.org/4691919:09
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack-infra/config: New project: manila, python-manilaclient  https://review.openstack.org/4691919:19
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anteayayay cats19:43
anteayapleia2 has cats19:43
mordredanteaya likes cats19:43
anteayaI do19:43
anteayaespecially when sick19:43
anteayacats are great when I'm sick19:43
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Use Jenkins templates for old manual jobs  https://review.openstack.org/4769120:13
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* hashar eats cats20:38
openstackgerritAlex Gaynor proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Added pypy env to tox  https://review.openstack.org/4769720:41
Alex_Gaynordstufft: timeouts to pypi observed: https://jenkins01.openstack.org/job/gate-requirements-install/249/console :/20:42
Alex_Gaynordstufft: nothing obvious in the timeline on s.p.o20:42
Alex_Gaynordstufft: seeing someting weird, that file downloads fine in my browser, but curl/wget are hanging20:43
Alex_Gaynorerr, they stopped hanging when i removed the #hashtag from the URL20:43
dstufftinteresting20:44
dstufftthrift again20:44
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Alex_Gaynordstufft: FWIW 3 of them all just failed on thrift20:47
dstufftyea something strange about thrift20:47
Alex_GaynorComputers :/20:47
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dstuffthttps://gist.github.com/dstufft/665403420:48
Alex_Gaynordstufft: what does that even mean?20:50
dstufft503 service unavailable is strange20:51
Alex_Gaynordstufft: I'm getting 200s, but sitll the "* <url> malformed" thing20:52
dstufftAlex_Gaynor: immediately you're getting 200's or after a minute or so?20:52
Alex_Gaynordstufft: just issued another request, this one is taking a while (20+ seconds)20:53
dstufftit'll probably give you a service unavaialble at around th e1 minute mark20:53
Alex_Gaynorok, 503 there20:54
Alex_Gaynorok, wtf is going on?20:54
dstufftAlex_Gaynor: can you reproduce using http://pypi.int.python.org instead of https://pypi.python.org20:54
Alex_Gaynordstufft: instant 200s with "* <url> malformed"20:55
dstufftAlex_Gaynor: sent a request to Fastly20:56
dstufftwe'll see what they say20:56
Alex_Gaynordstufft: what's with the URL malformed issue on our end?20:56
dstufftnot a clue what that means20:57
Alex_Gaynordstufft: cool, is there somewhere I can follow the request?20:57
dstufftAlex_Gaynor: do you have a PSF fastly account?20:57
Alex_Gaynordstufft: yeah I do20:57
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Alex_GaynorI'm watching the thing now (why is our hit rate so low?)20:58
dstufftAlex_Gaynor: dunno if it'll work but you can try logging into https://fastly.zendesk.com and seeing if that gives you anything20:58
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dstufftit shows me and noah there but I don't know if they maintain seperate DB's for that or not20:58
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* mordred needs to learn how elastic-recheck works21:44
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Alex_Gaynormordred: I think right now it's just a static list of patterns to check a log against whenever a failure occurs21:45
* mordred wonderis if it could be used to recheck things that are associated with pypi network issues21:46
mordredAlex_Gaynor: (btw, I just rechecked your patch from above)21:46
Alex_Gaynorthanks21:46
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clarkb mordred it could be used for that22:23
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/requirements: Require python-novaclient>=2.15.0  https://review.openstack.org/4718523:33
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Alex_GaynorWhat exactly do the post-mirror jobs do?23:47
mordredAlex_Gaynor: they trigger runs of our mirror script to rebuild our mirror23:49
Alex_Gaynormordred: hmm, I see there's one per version, should I have added apypy one at some point?23:49
mordredhrm. interesting question. we have one per version because the requirements file does transitive depends different based on version (some people say things like "if pyversion < 2.7: install_requires = blah")23:51
mordredwhich, I believe, btw, is a terrible way to do things, but whatev23:51
Alex_GaynorI guess if they're all version based, then no, I don't23:51
mordredso, if you think that pypy might affect the set of things that get downloaded23:51
Alex_GaynorDon't think so23:51
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mordredgood. you represent sanity then23:53
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