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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: trigger devstack-gate test as early as possible https://review.openstack.org/55030 | 00:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Extract setup_project as a single function https://review.openstack.org/55028 | 00:11 |
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| sdague | lifeless: you'll be happy to know I just sorted out enabling this - http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FlySpell#toc2 in my python-mode - hopefully cuts down on comment spelling issues | 00:49 |
| clarkb | sdague: I take it your flight toe the east coast wasn't turned around and sent back to HKG? | 00:50 |
| sdague | nope | 00:50 |
| sdague | I had the cathay pacific flight, and we were all good | 00:51 |
| sdague | honestly, I'm already sleeping better at home than I did any night in HK, so will be curious to see how long the flip back takes | 00:54 |
| sdague | clarkb: your flights work out fine? | 00:55 |
| lifeless | sdague: \o/ | 00:56 |
| lifeless | sdague: thank you! | 00:56 |
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| sdague | heh, no worries. I did poke fun a little on twitter about it. But all in good fun. | 00:58 |
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| clarkb | sdague: yes my flights were fine got home last night then fell asleep for 13 hours | 01:17 |
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| morganfainberg | hallo infra. how's everyone post summit? | 01:17 |
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| clarkb | morganfainberg: tired | 01:17 |
| clarkb | see 13 hours of sleep. That really helped though | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i'll second that one. i am still a little jetlagged but not too bad | 01:18 |
| sdague | yeh, I got about 8 hrs total last night, though in a couple chunks. | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | sdague, ouch. | 01:19 |
| sdague | I think the adrenaline and copious tea kept me running fine on so little sleep at summit | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | hehe. | 01:19 |
| sdague | morganfainberg: that's 50% more than any night that I got in HK :) | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | sdague, 50% more is a big impovement! :) | 01:19 |
| sdague | agreed | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | i know i drank far too much coffee and tea there. | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | it was a mistake to fly out on friday night. should have gotten another night of sleep prior to the long haul flight. | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | next time i will know | 01:20 |
| clarkb | the tea was really good | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, ++ drank so much of it. | 01:21 |
| sdague | yeh, the tea was really good | 01:22 |
| sdague | someone needs to figure out what that was so I can get some :) | 01:22 |
| morganfainberg | sdague, if you do find out, please share! | 01:22 |
| morganfainberg | overall, this has been one of the best summits i've been to. very pleased with the results (and directions) | 01:25 |
| clarkb | ++ I felt like the sessions I went to were very productive | 01:25 |
| morganfainberg | at least for keystone the amount of things we got done ad-hoc was amazing as well. | 01:25 |
| clarkb | and now I need to drink a real beer and watch football | 01:26 |
| clarkb | mordred: we missed the sounders timbers games :( they looked like good ones | 01:26 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i did the real beer thing on the way back from the airport! | 01:27 |
| morganfainberg | i couldn't even wait an hour from when i landed | 01:27 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 01:27 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: I think I somehow completely missed you at the summit, oh well | 01:29 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, perhaps. I don't remeber running across you there either. | 01:30 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i was camping in the dev loung almost 100% of time time i wasn't in sessions. | 01:30 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: I was in sessions almost 100% of the time :) I spent one time slot in the dev lounge | 01:31 |
| clarkb | that is the life of an infra person | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, ah yeah. | 01:31 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, well atlanta isn't that far off, i'll make sure not to miss the people i missed this time there! | 01:32 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: same here | 01:32 |
| clarkb | fungi: ping me when you are ready to start tackling the havana/folsom stuff (eg tuesday) and we can do that together (to make sure we get it in correctly) | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | actually, i think i also totally missed lifeless too | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | damn. | 01:33 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: hi | 01:44 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: 5000 people, hard to say hi to everyone :) | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, hi there! next summit i need to not miss the infra people i have on my short-list to say hi to in person | 01:45 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. i hear ya | 01:45 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: maybe we should have a 'Meet the Infra' session ? | 02:04 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, might be a good idea! you know, without you guys OS would be a very different place. | 02:04 |
| morganfainberg | s/place/project | 02:04 |
| morganfainberg | annndddd 8 % batter on the laptop... i need to get home catch everyone later | 02:05 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: I can't take much credit for Infra - thanks for counting me as one though! | 02:11 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: any reason for using elasticsearch over pyelasticsearch in warehouse? | 04:43 |
| clarkb | we are using pyelasticsearch and sdague has had to do some cleaning around it, curious if that is a common problem | 04:43 |
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| clarkb | doesn't look like elasticsearch would play nice with our proxy method though | 04:45 |
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| clarkb | which is unfortunate that everyone expects elasticsearch to just be open to whatever you have talking to it (fine for pypi) | 04:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add missing running-your-own hidden toctree. https://review.openstack.org/55760 | 04:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Precache Ironic and Ironic client https://review.openstack.org/54569 | 05:08 |
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| mordred | fungi, jeblair, clarkb: btw - since the patch queue is so ludicrously long, I'm +2/+A'ing trivial things- like the 7 line doc patch from fungi and the two above | 05:17 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Flush Gerrit caches after fixing E-mail dupes https://review.openstack.org/53137 | 05:18 |
| clarkb | mordred: go for it, I was going to do similar but got distracted by football and laundry | 05:19 |
| mordred | clarkb: also, small changes related to stackforge projects seem to fit the bill too :) | 05:19 |
| clarkb | mordred: the timbers got absolutely destroyed by RSL tonight too | 05:19 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add coverage jobs to tempest and nova experimental queue https://review.openstack.org/55627 | 05:20 |
| clarkb | also I think the media is seriously confused about what stackforge is | 05:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Allow fuel-core to create branches in fuel repos https://review.openstack.org/54903 | 05:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add ironic translation jobs. https://review.openstack.org/53030 | 05:26 |
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| dstufft | clarkb: elasticsearch is the official client is why I usd it | 05:37 |
| clarkb | gotcha thanks | 05:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Make pypy and python33 gates non-voting for solum project https://review.openstack.org/55109 | 05:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/jeepyb: New headers argument for github.Issue.Issue https://review.openstack.org/51905 | 05:38 |
| dstufft | clarkb: it has a requests and urllib3 transport though, you can probably use a proxy with it | 05:38 |
| dstufft | I use TLS and basic auth for ours though | 05:38 |
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| clarkb | I think pur proxy may be too aggresice killing connections | 05:40 |
| anteaya | I see I am not the only one awake | 05:41 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: why do you say that? | 05:47 |
| clarkb | anteaya: which thing I said? | 05:47 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Upgrade puppetlabs-haproxy to fix concat module. https://review.openstack.org/52708 | 05:47 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Upgrade puppetlabs-postgresql to fix concat module https://review.openstack.org/52709 | 05:48 |
| clarkb | mordred ^ may break git.o.o and postgres unittests :) I dont expect it to though | 05:48 |
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| anteaya | that our proxy may be too agressive killing connections | 05:56 |
| * anteaya reading backscroll | 05:56 | |
| anteaya | <sdague> the review anti-pattern thread makes me wonder if we should really have a gerrit docs tree for some of these project wide policy / culture things | 05:56 |
| anteaya | sdague: +1 | 05:57 |
| anteaya | I'm glad to read that a few of you feel there will be progress on neutron tests in the gate by icehouse-1 | 05:57 |
| clarkb | anteaya: there are timeouts and they bother things that try to pool persistent connections | 05:58 |
| anteaya | I am not that optimistic but I will be glad to be wrong | 05:58 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah okay | 05:58 |
| anteaya | so increase the timeouts? | 05:58 |
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| anteaya | and wow, what a horrible flight experience fungi :( | 06:00 |
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| anteaya | this is a patch to improve the neutron testing environment, it replaces mox with mock: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54044/ | 06:10 |
| anteaya | I know it is a lot to ask because eveyone just got back and is tired, but if anyone familiar with the mox to mock transition has some pity on me, your comments would be most appreciated | 06:11 |
| anteaya | Alex_Gaynor: ^ if you have time | 06:16 |
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| anteaya | where are reviewstats published currently? | 06:50 |
| clarkb | anteaya: http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/ those? | 06:51 |
| anteaya | yup, thanks | 06:53 |
| anteaya | the repo is under -infra in git so I was thinking it was on one of our servers now | 06:53 |
| clarkb | is it in infra? | 06:54 |
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| clarkb | oh hey it is | 06:55 |
| clarkb | I can't keep up | 06:55 |
| anteaya | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/reviewstats/tree/ | 06:55 |
| anteaya | neither can I | 06:55 |
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| anteaya | dis-heartening to see patches merged to neutron with gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops failing | 07:23 |
| anteaya | :( | 07:23 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I am not sure it ever passed | 07:23 |
| clarkb | jog0: would know | 07:23 |
| anteaya | okay thanks, I will look forward to jog0's rendition of the history of this test | 07:26 |
| anteaya | just collecting stats and impressions | 07:26 |
| anteaya | some people are doing a lot of work | 07:26 |
| anteaya | so that is good to see | 07:27 |
| anteaya | as in some people in addition to markmclain and salvatore | 07:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladimir Kozhukalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add Fuel-Provision project to Stackforge https://review.openstack.org/55533 | 08:41 |
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| mordred | anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/55805 <-- there's a follow up to the above neutron patch that removes stubout | 09:32 |
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| ttx | fungi: fwiw I couldn't find your email with the Horizon PTL voters list | 11:45 |
| ttx | fungi: so please re-send if possible | 11:45 |
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| sdague | clarkb: I think it passed for a minute, but it hasn't for a long time | 11:59 |
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| mordred | morning sdague | 12:10 |
| mordred | morning ttx | 12:10 |
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| mordred | ttx: I had a storyboard thought, btw | 12:11 |
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| mordred | ttx: instead of a pure django app | 12:11 |
| mordred | ttx: what if we made a storyboard restful service using pecan/wsme just like all of the other openstack services | 12:11 |
| mordred | ttx: and then used the horizon part of horizon (which is a library to help create django apps on top of rest apis) | 12:11 |
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| mordred | ttx: to build the web app to talk to the restful service | 12:12 |
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| mordred | with folks like tripleo and solum wanting to include the CI story, it seems like having a rest service in the cloud that knows how to provide ticket services would be useful | 12:13 |
| mordred | which could have a default local impl | 12:13 |
| mordred | and potential plugins to connect it to things like existing jira whatnot | 12:13 |
| mordred | ttx: it's also possible that I'm making things too hard - but it feels like we have a lot of pieces of the story for this inside of openstack already | 12:14 |
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| mordred | ttx: also, if olaph wanted to start hacking on storyboard in some spare time, what would be a good next step? | 12:15 |
| sdague | morning mordred | 12:16 |
| mordred | sdague: how's the jetlag? | 12:16 |
| sdague | actually not as bad as I expected | 12:16 |
| sdague | I'm waking up at the right times here naturally, now I just have to get the going to bed at the right times worked out | 12:16 |
| sdague | mordred: I really like the idea of storyboard as rest service first, UI second | 12:17 |
| mordred | sdague: awesome. I'm glad that doesn't sound lke crazypants | 12:17 |
| mordred | I betcha it would not take a TON of effort to take the current code and port it to that format | 12:18 |
| sdague | yeh, agreed. You'd probably just want to start from scratch with the basic models that seem good and build a rest stack on them | 12:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Arx Cruz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Adding support to Fedora and Red Hat https://review.openstack.org/55827 | 12:19 |
| sdague | Does pecan do nested resources? I feel like that was an open question in the room that I can't remember from that oslo session | 12:19 |
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| mordred | I do not know | 12:21 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: hey! didn't you already upload that patch? | 12:22 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: that's a different one | 12:23 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: ok. cool | 12:23 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: tempest was failing on my jenkins because I'm using fedora. | 12:24 |
| ArxCruz | the postgres and mysql path in fedora are different from the ubuntu path | 12:24 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: I am very much in favor of devstack growing fedora support | 12:24 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: :) | 12:24 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: it took me several hours to figure out that the problem was in this check hope you approve this path :) | 12:25 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: I like the path - I just -1'd you on a couple of small things | 12:26 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: sure, just tell me and I make the changes :) | 12:27 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: I put them on the review - I'm trying to be better about doing code review there instead of just telling peope in IRC :) | 12:27 |
| mordred | otherwise, my review stats look like I just like everything... | 12:28 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: hehe, sure, I will wait your review then :) | 12:28 |
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| mordred | ArxCruz: it should be there now | 12:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Arx Cruz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Adding an option to use qpid instead of rabbit or zeromq https://review.openstack.org/55829 | 12:29 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: okay, here's another one :) | 12:29 |
| ArxCruz | ^ | 12:29 |
| sdague | mordred: so it occurs to me that as ArxCruz heads down this journey of making devstack-gate cross platform... we might try to figure out if there was a sane way to share the functions file from devstack, which has a ton of cross distro bits in it | 12:30 |
| mordred | sdague: yes | 12:30 |
| mordred | sdague: well, in general, I'd love for devstack-gate to do less | 12:30 |
| mordred | sdague: also, I think d-g can always assume the existence of at least one devstack git repo | 12:31 |
| mordred | so sourcing some files might not be out of bounds | 12:31 |
| mordred | sdague: for instance: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55827/1/devstack-vm-gate.sh | 12:31 |
| mordred | sdague: I think honestly that the above ^^ could be potentially moved into devstack to be a thing that stack.sh runs | 12:32 |
| mordred | if you run stack.sh and after it's done the configured database does not have log files, then it's a good indication that something went wrong | 12:32 |
| mordred | in fact | 12:32 |
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| sdague | yeh, let me ping dtroyer about it once he gets home, I think we'd need to clean things a little in functions to make it fully safe to source outside of devstack / grenade. A few too many variables look to be leaked out of it unintentionally | 12:33 |
| mordred | yah | 12:34 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: i have a question, can you please enlighten me ? | 12:34 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: shoot! | 12:34 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: post in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55827/ | 12:35 |
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| ArxCruz | mordred: for documentation purpose :) | 12:35 |
| sdague | mordred: yeh, though that check was there as a specific bit of double book keep accounting, because we actually accidentally made the pg job run mysql for a bit due to a mismatch between d-g and devstack | 12:35 |
| sdague | and it took us a week to realize it | 12:35 |
| sdague | at which point pg was broken | 12:36 |
| mordred | ah | 12:36 |
| mordred | well then. it does make sense to have that in dg then | 12:36 |
| sdague | yeh, I'll come back around once we sort out ArxCruz's patch and explain the reason for that piece of code. I realize there is super important context about why it shouldn't be pulled out, which is only in a few people's head (not a good place for it) | 12:37 |
| sdague | don't want to cause a merge conflict for no good reason first | 12:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Relax silence threshold for ConfBridge https://review.openstack.org/52481 | 12:40 |
| ttx | mordred: yes, we need to make some hard calls on the storyboard architecture early on | 12:40 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Update default location for astdatadir for asterisk https://review.openstack.org/52482 | 12:41 |
| ttx | mordred: a REST + Horizon thing would definitely fit withing the openstack story... although I'd have to look into it more closely to see if the interface would play ball | 12:41 |
| mordred | it _should_ | 12:41 |
| ttx | mordred: I'll admit not to have look into horizon code AT ALL | 12:41 |
| mordred | I learned a good deal more about it this cycle | 12:41 |
| mordred | and at the summit | 12:42 |
| mordred | tl;dr - there are two pieces | 12:42 |
| mordred | one is called horizon, although that part is essentially a library or "django app" that helps write django apps that talk to restful services | 12:42 |
| ttx | my only concern on the technology base is to be appealing to the openstack devs... python/django everyone knows, and Pecan/WSME/Horizon a lot of openstack dudes know | 12:42 |
| mordred | there is another part called openstack_dashboard which is a django application that uses horizon to build the thing we think of as horizon | 12:43 |
| ttx | so I'm pretty fine with either. REST + strong JS client... slightly less attractive | 12:43 |
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| mordred | ttx: no, I think we need to have the web framework be strongly django | 12:44 |
| mordred | but strong js in the UI of that seems like a good idea | 12:44 |
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| ttx | ack | 12:44 |
| mordred | and is something that horizon itself can benefit from perhaps | 12:44 |
| ttx | to answer your last question, not sure where he should focus. He can pick an idea on the etherpad list of TODOs | 12:45 |
| mordred | kk | 12:45 |
| mordred | ttx: where's the etherpad? | 12:45 |
| ttx | but that might be a bit useless if we scrap the whole paradigm | 12:45 |
| ttx | so ideally we would nail that first | 12:45 |
| mordred | I doubt we'll scrap the whole paradigm | 12:45 |
| ttx | i.e. better focus on feature than on UI | 12:46 |
| mordred | I think we can take what you have and basically split the underlying model out | 12:46 |
| mordred | yah | 12:46 |
| mordred | alternately | 12:46 |
| mordred | we could get a v1 up and going so that we can use it | 12:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Arx Cruz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Adding support to Fedora and Red Hat https://review.openstack.org/55827 | 12:46 |
| mordred | and make a pecan/wsme+horizon a v2 thing | 12:46 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-storyboard-basic-concepts-and-next | 12:46 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: I think it's better now :) | 12:46 |
| mordred | and if the _data_ model is the same, and the UI is using bootstrap | 12:46 |
| mordred | we shoudl be able to do that without killing ourselves | 12:47 |
| mordred | olaph: ^^ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-storyboard-basic-concepts-and-next | 12:47 |
| sdague | the other great idea about going REST first, is it would naturally mean multiple UIs, as people could write their own bits that make sense for their context | 12:47 |
| ttx | mordred: also in case you missed it: Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Pagination added to task lists https://review.openstack.org/55813 | 12:47 |
| mordred | sdague: yes! | 12:47 |
| mordred | like "storyboard list" and "storyboard create" command line ui's :) | 12:48 |
| sdague | yep | 12:48 |
| ttx | so it looks like our Russian friends are interested to play with it too | 12:48 |
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| mordred | yes. Sergey told me that they were going to jump in | 12:49 |
| mordred | I think we should schedule a weekly storyboard meeting | 12:49 |
| ttx | yes yes, just too many things to do postsummit != | 12:49 |
| mordred | yup | 12:49 |
| mordred | well, none of my new hires will start before Dec 2 | 12:49 |
| ttx | Now I just need to work on my "happily ignore stuff" program to get more time to do useful work | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/nodepool: add introduction for README document https://review.openstack.org/54796 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/nodepool: Add more details to developer setup in README https://review.openstack.org/53924 | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add gerrit notifications to #solum https://review.openstack.org/55103 | 12:56 |
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| mordred | lovely | 13:12 |
| mordred | nodepool | 13:12 |
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| mordred | sdague: can you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51916 ? | 13:38 |
| mordred | sdague: the change itself looks fine, but I don't want to land it if it's not ok to land | 13:39 |
| mordred | oh - wait. it's in the experimental queue | 13:40 |
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| ArxCruz | mordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55827/ it fails, is this an issue with openstack infra or was my patch ? | 13:44 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: looks like a tempest race: | 13:45 |
| mordred | I noticed tempest failed, I think you hit bug(s): https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1218391 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239856 | 13:45 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: ^^ | 13:45 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: what should I do in this case? | 13:45 |
| mordred | you may want to reverify with one of those | 13:45 |
| mordred | so, leave a comment "reverify bug 1218391" | 13:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/os-loganalyze: fix typo https://review.openstack.org/54816 | 13:47 |
| mordred | sdague: you in stable-maint? there's a bunch of repos, like requirements, where I'm starting to feel like infra should be in the stable reviewer list | 13:48 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: done | 13:48 |
| mordred | cool | 13:49 |
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| ArxCruz | mordred: may I have your +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54196/ ? | 13:50 |
| ArxCruz | :D | 13:50 |
| sdague | mordred: no, I'm not in stable-maint | 13:52 |
| mordred | sdague: I mainly just noticed because there is a patch to set the .gitreview default branch and I cannot land it | 13:52 |
| sdague | right, we should figure out how the stable-maint team wants to handle that | 13:52 |
| sdague | ttx: actually... pending requirements changes should be one of those things which is a standing item on the project meeting, so they don't get lost | 13:53 |
| ttx | sdague: or at least a standing item in some meeting... choosing which depends a bit on which program we would attach "requirements" to | 13:55 |
| sdague | fair | 13:55 |
| ttx | if it's attached to relmgt then yes, the project/release meeting would make the most sense | 13:55 |
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| ttx | I could see it land in oslo or infra though. | 13:56 |
| sdague | I think it's really release management, because the reason's we'd -1 a req add | 13:57 |
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| mordred | yah | 13:58 |
| ttx | yes, although several projects care about dep convergence. I wouldn't mind if it was attached to relmgt, if the other potential homes would agree | 13:58 |
| mordred | I agree | 13:58 |
| mordred | I think it should belong to relmgt | 13:58 |
| ttx | it's not as if it wasn't a three-legged duck already | 13:58 |
| mordred | mmm. duck is tasty | 13:59 |
| mordred | this is sad | 13:59 |
| sdague | I think we need to just agree that relmgt program is different, and build some different rules for it | 13:59 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51974/ | 13:59 |
| ttx | three legs means more duck feet to eat, too | 13:59 |
| mordred | "Make tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops voting | 13:59 |
| mordred | " | 13:59 |
| mordred | apparently, the job used to work | 13:59 |
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| sdague | yeh, I'd wait for jog0 to get grounded again. He's got context on that | 14:00 |
| ttx | mordred: I don't remember if fungi was going back to work this week, do you ? | 14:00 |
| sdague | ttx: I thought yes, but he was on the flight that got turned around over japan | 14:01 |
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| sdague | so completely out of pocket today IIRC from last night's irc | 14:01 |
| ttx | sdague: sounds ike I missed all the fun. What was that about ? | 14:01 |
| sdague | one of the flights back to the east coast of the US apparently had some issue 4 hrs in | 14:02 |
| sdague | and they didn't have authority to land in japan, so they had to go back to HK | 14:02 |
| ttx | nice | 14:02 |
| sdague | fungi was on that flight, not sure who else | 14:03 |
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| mordred | ttx: yes, he is. but he's probably not going to be useful today | 14:08 |
| mordred | due to that flight | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Touch site.pp after git updates. https://review.openstack.org/52548 | 14:09 |
| mordred | wow. ok | 14:12 |
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| mordred | that took forever | 14:12 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Add Fuel-Provision project to Stackforge https://review.openstack.org/55533 | 14:12 |
| mordred | I have cleared my review queue | 14:12 |
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| mordred | I've also landed a bunch of trivial changes, so hopefully other infra review folks will not have quite as long on the queue | 14:13 |
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| Shrews | mordred: great job on the keynote. Wish I could've watched it live | 14:13 |
| mordred | Shrews: thanks! | 14:14 |
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| mordred | cody-somerville: in the scrollback, ttx and I were discussing a few storyboard topics | 14:29 |
| mordred | cody-somerville: most notably a) need for a weekly IRC meeting, as we're about to have a whole new team of folks | 14:30 |
| cody-somerville | ACK | 14:30 |
| mordred | cody-somerville: and b) the idea that we should potentially split it into a REST server project using pecan/wsme like the other openstack projects, and then make the web dashboard a horizon-based rest-consuming web app (horizon used here in the proper form to talk about the django library) | 14:30 |
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| mordred | I _think_ we could defer b) to be a v2 thing if in looking at that it seems like an extreme amount of work | 14:31 |
| mordred | but the idea of being able to have a python-storyboardclient that works like the other projects do is potentially pretty cool | 14:31 |
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| cody-somerville | the first part of b was entirely what I was thinking as well | 14:32 |
| mordred | awesome | 14:32 |
| cody-somerville | it has the added benefit of making the latter less of a commitment | 14:32 |
| mordred | exactly | 14:32 |
| cody-somerville | as it means we can easily throw away UI and can freely iterate | 14:32 |
| mordred | yup | 14:32 |
| cody-somerville | or even provide paradigm-specific UIs | 14:32 |
| mordred | also means that potentially it could grow into a service that could be deployed in an openstack - say with different data storage backends | 14:33 |
| mordred | should an operator want to integrate an issue reporting thing | 14:33 |
| cody-somerville | Yes sir! :) | 14:33 |
| * ttx looks up semantic ui | 14:34 | |
| mordred | (that's not thing #1 - but I know that robert already wants tripleo clouds to contain an infra, so it stands to reason that an integrated task management wouldn't be crazy) | 14:34 |
| cody-somerville | Lot's of great lessons learnt with OpenStack, I say we leverage all that | 14:34 |
| mordred | cool. I figured we'd be on the same page there :) | 14:34 |
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| mordred | cody-somerville: another benefit - we know how to unittest rest servers and data models really well | 14:39 |
| cody-somerville | mordred: ttx: So besides IRC meetings and such which can happen in parallel, I was thinking first steps are to come up with proper problem statement signed off by all stakeholders and then what I like to call a Value-Context-Performance-Hypotheses (VCPH) pack which will help us (and outsides) understand the value of the project, the context of the problem, how we can measure success, and our hypothesis (ie. storyboard). | 14:39 |
| mordred | sounds great to me - although my simple answer to P is "has openstack moved off of launchpad" :) | 14:40 |
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| mordred | but yes - and also documentation of such things is a great thing to have for projects with larger sets of devs | 14:41 |
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| cody-somerville | It's important for us to capture the context of why so that people who aren't familiar can go "ah, I see why they did that". I'm positive people with maybe a vested interest in Launchpad will demand this of us and our argument will look sillier if we don't have the facts to back it. | 14:41 |
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| mordred | yup | 14:42 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: semantic ui looks interesting, I'll have to dig more | 14:46 |
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| ttx | (syntax looks sane and the collection of items is pretty decent) | 14:46 |
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| fungi | clarkb: working on the -folsom/+havana patches are on my to do list for tomorrow as well now, thanks! | 15:00 |
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| ttx | fungi: didn't receive your Horizon PTl voting list. Won't set up the vote until tomorrow afternoon though | 15:04 |
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| fungi | ttx: i've bounced you another copy of the horizon electorate list, but if memory serves we ran into this before. i think rackspace may be choking on/killing the attachment. i'll gzip it and send another that way | 15:08 |
| cody-somerville | mordred: ttx: Once we have sign off on those two documents, my plan is to prepare a report and presentation on what I feel will need to be done during the initial discovery phase. That'll consist of breaking down the problem into an issue tree so we that can identify the constituent parts - and of my goodness it's snowing out - so that we can start delegating parts of the puzzle for people to break into action items. From t | 15:09 |
| cody-somerville | here, we'll plot our action items on a 2x2 prioritization matrix (impact vs. need) and come up with a plan with a defined scope. After which we'll be able to supply to the decision makers an interim report and presentation and if we're in agreement we'll use the tentative mandate from that meeting to move forward with preparing the last bits of the discovery phase where we'll test and verify our hypothesis. The output of th | 15:09 |
| cody-somerville | at will be a final report/presentation with an implementation plan and the data to back up the justification. | 15:09 |
| cody-somerville | I hope this doesn't sound like too much pig-swattle (or whatever, lol) but I feel this project will be especially important to have properly documented for both the project, for new devs, and to justify the cost of investment for member companies helping to develop this. | 15:10 |
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| cody-somerville | There is nothing worse than a project with an existential crisis. | 15:11 |
| soren | I'm confused. Why isn't this being merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55519/ | 15:12 |
| fungi | ttx: resent both ways. let me know which you receive | 15:12 |
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| soren | ...whereas this made it through that whole process in a matter of two minutes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52548/ | 15:13 |
| ttx | cody-somerville, mordred: I fear you may be overthinking this. I expect storyboard to be a very inclusive project with a lot of pass-by contribs from existing developers. Your (well-thought) process seems to apply better to a self-contained team | 15:13 |
| ttx | i.e. some internal dev team | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/55861 | 15:14 |
| ttx | fungi: received the gz | 15:15 |
| ttx | cody-somerville, mordred: so I fear most people would just ignore the well-thought plan and just organically do stuff and get it reviewed... which would mean a lot of project management wasted effort | 15:16 |
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| cody-somerville | ttx: I'm not suggesting coming up with a big project plan or expansive requirements document or anything like that. I'm talking about coming up with a one page report (with additional pages of supporting data as necessary) that clearly describes the problem, the context, the scope, and the expected end product in broad terms. | 15:18 |
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| soren | Oh, mordred didn't hit the "approved" button on it. Got it. | 15:19 |
| soren | It's been so long since I've used this thing, I forgot what the process was. :( | 15:20 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: tried to come up with that when i started https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Task_Tracker_Requirements -- then I figured I should write a POC instead. | 15:20 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: so I welcome a clear project scope definition and mission statement | 15:20 |
| mordred | soren: welcome back! | 15:20 |
| mordred | ttx, cody-somerville: I'm going to agree with both of you real quick | 15:21 |
| soren | mordred: Thank you! | 15:21 |
| * soren goes to dinner | 15:21 | |
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| mordred | I think if cody-somerville expands https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Task_Tracker_Requirements out into a few more documents and blueprints and whatnot | 15:21 |
| cody-somerville | ttx: People are going to demand an explanation of why we're moving off Launchpad and why we're not using something off the shelf. I want to be able to provide that explanation by pointing at something and showing it's been signed off on. | 15:21 |
| mordred | then the 'what should I work on now' becomes easier to people | 15:21 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: ack -- like I said, that's what I tried and failed to do, due to lack of time. | 15:22 |
| ttx | I had to throw code out there so that mordred would not make us use JIRA or something | 15:22 |
| mordred | heh | 15:22 |
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| soren | ttx: Much appreciated! | 15:23 |
| mordred | ttx: I'm hurt that you'd think I'd ever make that choice | 15:23 |
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| * ttx likes to use JIRA and Xml as ultimate insults | 15:23 | |
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| * ttx properly has worked enough for a holiday day today | 15:24 | |
| ttx | s/properly/probably | 15:24 |
| * fungi is caught up on scrollback, but needs to run the errands he couldn't get done yesterday because EUNITED | 15:26 | |
| fungi | bbiab | 15:26 |
| Shrews | mordred, lifeless: I need testr to capture stdout in the logs. What is the standard way to capture that? | 15:27 |
| Shrews | s/capture/enable/ | 15:27 |
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| mordred | Shrews: one sec - lemme find you a link | 15:28 |
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| Shrews | my google-foo failed me :( | 15:28 |
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| miqui | hello...anybody still run into this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36632 | 15:37 |
| miqui | i am using gerrit 2.4.4-14 | 15:37 |
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| Shrews | mordred: nm. managed to figure it out | 15:48 |
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| ArxCruz | fungi: ping | 15:56 |
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| ArxCruz | Shrews: what did you do to capture? rfolco need to capture some testr output | 15:58 |
| Shrews | ArxCruz: https://review.openstack.org/55865 | 15:59 |
| ArxCruz | Shrews: cool! thanks | 16:01 |
| Shrews | no problem | 16:03 |
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| rfolco | Shrews, ArxCruz: actually what I was looking for is how to grep the runtime info for each individual test on Tempest (I am running with tox)... | 16:23 |
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| clarkb | miqui: I don't think we have that problem. maybe try one of our wars? | 16:25 |
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| ArxCruz | mordred: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54777 I believe it's necessary a check in branch_data['debs'] and branch_data['rpms'] because If I ran this on my fedora image here, it will always have a branch_data['debs'] because it gets this from devstack_path/files/apts and it will always try to run apt-get install -d -y (although the script doesn't throw any error or exit because of this) | 16:27 |
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| clarkb | rfolco: it should all end up in the subunit stream. you can pass that to stdout by passing --subunit to testr then you can pipe and grep/parse | 16:27 |
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| mordred | ArxCruz: no - what I mean is | 16:30 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: apt-get -y -d install | 16:31 |
| mordred | simply downloads the package and stores it in the local apt cache | 16:31 |
| mordred | it does not install it | 16:31 |
| ArxCruz | oh, ok | 16:31 |
| mordred | whereas yum install -y installs | 16:31 |
| ArxCruz | mordred: however, it always have the problem I mention | 16:31 |
| ArxCruz | both branch_data debs and rpms will always be not null | 16:31 |
| mordred | ArxCruz: yes - I believe we may need to mkae the logic there better as well | 16:31 |
| ArxCruz | and run_local will always execute both apt-get and yum | 16:32 |
| rfolco | clarkb, ok thanks. Will take a look at --subunit option... not very familiar with tox though | 16:32 |
| ArxCruz | although I didn't saw any error from my side | 16:32 |
| ArxCruz | the run_local don't return any failures for not find apt-get for example | 16:32 |
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| clarkb | rfolco: this would be an arg to testr not tox (you can pass through with tox though using posargs which should already be configured) | 16:33 |
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| rfolco | clarkb, got it. thx++ | 16:38 |
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| NobodyCam | mordred: May i quote you "it's like I spent a week with my hands replaced by eggplants" | 16:42 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 16:43 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 16:43 |
| mordred | NobodyCam: yes. always | 16:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Leon proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add designate dns client (python-designateclient) to requirements https://review.openstack.org/54419 | 17:36 |
| jog0 | anteaya: large-ops does a nova boot --num-instances=150 or so | 17:36 |
| jog0 | anteaya: so neutron is failing that somewhat simple test | 17:36 |
| jog0 | anteaya: I haven't had a chance to hunt down folks to fix the neutron side of that yet, will do that now | 17:37 |
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| jog0 | anteaya: I filed a bug http://logs.openstack.org/44/54044/7/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops/7fdf4a3/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2013-11-11_13_52_48_660 | 17:46 |
| jog0 | err https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 | 17:46 |
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| danger_fo | mordred: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53419 -- sorry for the continued confusion; I confirmed directly with Denny that he had the start/end dates format wrong when he originally added himself to the gitdm config | 18:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add designate dns client (python-designateclient) to requirements https://review.openstack.org/54419 | 18:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-dev/hacking: Remove vim modeline sample https://review.openstack.org/55890 | 18:53 |
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| yolanda | fungi, jeblair, i'm interested in work on some other bug, but not sure on what can be best to choose, any suggestion? i have expertise on gerrit, zuul, jenkins, jenkins-job-builder | 19:26 |
| clarkb | yolanda: have you looked at the list of bugs tagged low-hanging-fruit? those are generally a good place to look | 19:31 |
| clarkb | and if none of those seem appropriate feel free to let us know. I am sure we have more that could be tagged that way that aren't | 19:32 |
| yolanda | clarkb, yes, i've looked at them, but I think i'd need more clarification about them | 19:33 |
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| yolanda | also saw some of them with an old date, so not sure if that makes sense to grab them | 19:33 |
| clarkb | yolanda: any particular examples? I can do my best now to fill in details for a couple | 19:34 |
| yolanda | well, looking at the ones with low priority, because i don't have much time and don't want to block important ones. For example 1235335, 1233846 (if that's fixed upstream, only a backport needed?) | 19:35 |
| clarkb | yolanda: hmm ya, that particular one may need some discussion on how we want to tackle it | 19:38 |
| clarkb | yolanda: if we go the route of a new daemon we probably want that service to handle general bug updates too. We could add that as a meeting agenda item and discuss it with ttx and jeblair and fungi | 19:38 |
| clarkb | (I am talking about 1235335 | 19:39 |
| lifeless | Shrews: got an answer? | 19:39 |
| Shrews | lifeless: yep. thx | 19:39 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | yolanda: for 1233846, my comment is that someone (maybe us) should fix the upstream bug rather than fixing it on our fork | 19:39 |
| clarkb | yolanda: then when we upgrade gerrit we will get the fix for free. I don't believe it is currently fixed upstream and carrying another backport is probably less valuable than working to upgrade | 19:40 |
| yolanda | ok, that should be a good one then | 19:40 |
| yolanda | also i may work on this one 1234959, i can catch up with Diogo about that | 19:42 |
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| yolanda | i think it makes sense for us | 19:42 |
| clarkb | yolanda: yup JJB patches are always welcome | 19:43 |
| clarkb | particularly when they are useful to mutliple groups of people | 19:43 |
| yolanda | mm, i'll assign this and discuss with Diogo, so we are able to test it | 19:44 |
| fungi | ArxCruz: pong (were you just pinging me about the fedora/rhel devstack tweaks above, or something else?) | 19:44 |
| clarkb | yolanda: sounds good | 19:44 |
| yolanda | great | 19:44 |
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| fungi | yolanda: also, any bugs you think look interesting but may need clarification, feel free to just update the bug asking for more info. as to age, we try to get through refreshing them every couple months on a team bug review day, but the low/wishlist level bugs do have a tendency to get less refreshing | 19:46 |
| jog0 | clarkb: as per the summit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55106/1 can be merged without a second +2 right ? | 19:54 |
| jog0 | I ask becuase I missed the e-r session | 19:54 |
| clarkb | jog0: yup go for it | 19:54 |
| jog0 | clarkb: cool | 19:56 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add fingerprint for bug 1242777 https://review.openstack.org/55106 | 19:58 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add django-bootstrap-form to requirements https://review.openstack.org/52361 | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | mordred: awesome thank you for that patch | 20:04 |
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| anteaya | jog0: thanks for that bug report, if you have any suggestions for how I can work on identifying a fix, I am open to suggestions and will dig into it in the mean time | 20:06 |
| jog0 | anteaya: I couldn't find when the job started failing | 20:07 |
| jog0 | anteaya: but I think graphite should show you | 20:07 |
| jog0 | anteaya: if you can find the day when the job started failing it shouldn't be too hard to isolate the offending patch | 20:08 |
| jog0 | anteaya: thanks for doing this | 20:08 |
| anteaya | jog0: I will need to keep hearing that | 20:09 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:09 |
| anteaya | and okay I will head over to graphite | 20:09 |
| anteaya | so if I understand correctly, large-ops did pass at one point and then started failing? | 20:10 |
| anteaya | so far I am not setting a devstack job in graphite labelled large-ops, might it be called something else? | 20:12 |
| jog0 | anteaya: correct, it worked at one point | 20:13 |
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| jog0 | anteaya: hmm looking | 20:14 |
| jog0 | anteaya: http://graphite.openstack.org/graphlot/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1384200922.777&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops.SUCCESS&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops.FAILURE# | 20:15 |
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| jog0 | anteaya: so it failed Oct 31st | 20:17 |
| jog0 | http://graphite.openstack.org/graphlot/?from=-2weeks&until=-1week&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops.SUCCESS&target=stats.zuul.pipeline.check.job.gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops.FAILURE | 20:17 |
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| anteaya | yes, thanks jog0 | 20:19 |
| anteaya | I need to get better at both graphite and weechat | 20:19 |
| anteaya | but I will start will checking on what merged Oct 31st | 20:20 |
| anteaya | with | 20:20 |
| jog0 | anteaya: it took me a while to figure out where we hide things in graphite | 20:21 |
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| anteaya | great, it will take me a bit - but I will get it | 20:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Short proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Add HACKING.rst https://review.openstack.org/55909 | 20:23 |
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| anteaya | if I am seeing this correctly, there were two patches merged to neutron on October 31st, one added some comments to a file and the other: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/commit/?id=1506f26b6563f5b8e69482cb14ad84d00565f6da edited neutron/openstack/common/log.py | 20:24 |
| anteaya | would a logging error bring down large-ops? | 20:25 |
| jog0 | anteaya: I don't think so, but you can just try a git-revert and see what jenkins/gerrit/zuul says | 20:26 |
| anteaya | jog0: I have never done that before, do you know where i might find an example of how to do that? | 20:28 |
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| fungi | anteaya: git revert 1506f26b6563f5b8e69482cb14ad84d00565f6da | 20:31 |
| jog0 | anteaya: what fungi said | 20:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: then 'git commit -a --amend' so that a change-id header gets added to the revert commit | 20:31 |
| fungi | and add some info to the commit message about why you're reverting it | 20:31 |
| fungi | then git review it like any other commit | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Typo serious=>set https://review.openstack.org/55910 | 20:33 |
| anteaya | I'll give it a shot | 20:38 |
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| anteaya | is there any way of testing this git revert locally prior to submitting it? | 20:44 |
| fungi | can you explain what you mean by "testing" it? | 20:45 |
| fungi | you can use 'git show' to see the commit, and confirm that it does the inverse of (e.g. backs out) the 1506f26 commit | 20:46 |
| jog0 | anteaya: you could set up a devstack and run the large-ops test if you want | 20:46 |
| jog0 | but its easier to push it up instead | 20:46 |
| jog0 | and mark as WIP | 20:46 |
| fungi | right, the simulating section of the openstack-infra/devstack-gate readme file is as close as you'll probably get to manually recreating what the large-ops job does, but that's overkill unless you really need to test in private for some reason | 20:47 |
| anteaya | WIP it is | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | was anyone at the "future of design summits" session who has a recap? | 20:53 |
| * annegentle also reads https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseFutureDesignSummits | 20:54 | |
| fungi | we tried to capture all of it there | 20:54 |
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| anteaya | the biggest point of discussion was the timing of the design summit and the conference | 20:55 |
| fungi | the biggest tl;dr is that we'll skew it with conference mon-thu and design tue-fri | 20:55 |
| anteaya | we had to make a decision about both Atlanta and Paris due to contracts for venues for Paris | 20:55 |
| annegentle | fungi: anteaya: ok, that helps | 20:55 |
| fungi | and try to pack more of the technical plenaries into monday | 20:55 |
| annegentle | much excitement around later night? | 20:56 |
| fungi | no, i think that was still status quo | 20:56 |
| fungi | lots of people are doing meetings in the evenings, so it makes conflicts with late-running design sessions more likely | 20:56 |
| annegentle | fungi: oh do people want room provided for hacking into the night? | 20:56 |
| annegentle | fungi: anteaya: any discussion around the types of meeting we had with the boot camp for infra and docs? | 20:57 |
| annegentle | fungi: anteaya: as in, does anyone else plan to do those ongoing? | 20:58 |
| fungi | i don't think we talked about hackerspaces open into the evenings, more just that scheduling design sessions after 6pm was probably not great | 20:58 |
| annegentle | fungi: oh ok | 20:58 |
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| fungi | it does sound like groups expect to also do mid-cycle sprints/hackathons. we've been talking about another one for infra, probably more goal-oriented rather than training-focused though | 20:59 |
| annegentle | fungi: ok. Ours was sort of expected to be training but then we did more of team meeting and getting to know each other, I think. | 20:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove fixed bugs from queries.yaml https://review.openstack.org/55914 | 20:59 |
| fungi | like we pick a bigger project which benefits from several of us beating it into shape together in person, and then invite anyone who wants to pitch in | 20:59 |
| fungi | but yeah, the main point to come out of the future of summits discussion was the conference/design offset by a day | 21:00 |
| fungi | also possibly setting up dedicated project-specific bof breakout spaces for getting things done together during holes people may have in their design summit schedules during the day | 21:02 |
| notmyname | if I had a static real-hardware cluster to do openstack tests, I'd be concerned that per-commit tests would get backed up in a queue. so if I did nightly testing, is there a place other than the openstack wiki (or my own website) where I could public test results? any suggestions on how to close the feedback loop there? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | jeblair: ^ | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Fix functional tests https://review.openstack.org/55916 | 21:04 |
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| mordred | notmyname: hey | 21:07 |
| mordred | notmyname: jeblair is out this week | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ah ok then :-) | 21:07 |
| mordred | notmyname: at the moment, the only 'good' feedback loop we've found for periodic jobs is an IRC bot or email | 21:07 |
| notmyname | kk. I can think of much more horrible ones | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mordred: are there hooks already set up where I could post to an openstack bot, if it had my key? | 21:09 |
| mordred | notmyname: not really - at the moment you'd have to write your own | 21:09 |
| mordred | (it's possible that clarkb or fungi might have better ideas here) | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | mordred: ok, no worries either way, but I'm happy to use infrastructure that already exists | 21:10 |
| mordred | notmyname: yah- seems like the srt of thing we should have | 21:11 |
| notmyname | well, only after the 2nd person wants it :-) | 21:11 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Typo serious=>set https://review.openstack.org/55910 | 21:12 |
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| fungi | we have a need to do some sort of periodic reporting as well as a place to put post-merge job results (for example, coverage reports). i think the backend is probably an uninteresting discussion (or rather an interesting discussion we've already had/are having), but the presentation--how to get people to pay attention and simultaneously be able to find the results they're interested in seeing--seems | 21:15 |
| fungi | to have been our biggest issue over time | 21:15 |
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| fungi | we've been running bitrot and coverage jobs for ages, but typically nobody paid attention when results went out via e-mail, nor looked them up on the web until something was discovered broken through other avenues (and then merely used them to help narrow down the timeframe breakage started) | 21:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: I just tried to git revert this patch: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/commit/?id=c1577c5954ce4103f81708b4a92569e7ab34af8d and got this error: is a merge but no -m option was given | 21:18 |
| anteaya | any hints? | 21:18 |
| fungi | anteaya: ahh, you want to get revert the commit merged by c1577c5 rather than the merge commit itself | 21:19 |
| anteaya | okay | 21:19 |
| anteaya | I will look for that | 21:19 |
| notmyname | fungi: I like the idea of a bot, but if it's running "nightly", who's night and how is that reported for those who are currently asleep. (agreed on the fact that the communication is a hard part) | 21:19 |
| fungi | whose night? ;) | 21:19 |
| fungi | oh, you said that | 21:20 |
| fungi | yeah, agreed. it's a hard problem. if it were an easy problem, we'd have already solved it and moved on | 21:20 |
| notmyname | possessive of who is whose? not who's? WTF English? | 21:20 |
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| fungi | notmyname: i wasn't correcting you, just replying to you before i read everything you wrote | 21:21 |
| fungi | fingers ahead of eyes i'm afraid | 21:21 |
| notmyname | heh. no worries. I was just surprised at that little detail :-) | 21:21 |
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| fungi | yeah, for learning to speak/read only one language, i sure picked a really bad one | 21:22 |
| fungi | anteaya: so if you look at that url, you'll see it links two parent commits. one of those is presumably the one you want to revert | 21:23 |
| anteaya | it was, I did a search using the log message and found the original commit, but using the parent would work too, thanks | 21:24 |
| notmyname | fungi: IRC bot that is quiet until there is a failing test and then proclaims it in a particular channel every hour until there is a passing run | 21:25 |
| fungi | notmyname: a nagbot! i like it ;) | 21:25 |
| lifeless | should I be able to vote on openstack/governance proposals ? | 21:26 |
| lifeless | (it is the TC voting area right?) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | lifeless: no. you are just a figurehead ;-) | 21:26 |
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| * fungi checks the acl on it | 21:26 | |
| notmyname | fungi: of course, you'd have to have a way to manually trigger a new test run (or whatever) so it could be quieted earlier than once a day | 21:26 |
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| fungi | #nagbot shaddup! | 21:27 |
| fungi | though yeah, an irc bot with the power to run arbitrary things gets into dangerzone | 21:27 |
| fungi | lifeless: so, to answer your question, it appears you should be able to -2/+2 | 21:28 |
| notmyname | fungi: no, something like "rerun test" would be sufficient. if it already has scheduling (ie do something every hour), then it would be easy to add "don't do something more than X times per unit time" | 21:28 |
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| fungi | that's granted to the tech-committee group, of which you are a member | 21:29 |
| lifeless | fungi: indeed, I can now, dunno why I couldn't before | 21:29 |
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| sdague | does anyone have the link to upload presentations, I can't seem to find that email anywhere | 21:29 |
| sdague | and I'd like to be a good citizen and get mine up | 21:30 |
| fungi | lifeless: maybe someone pushed a draft patchset? that prevents you from being able to vote on the last visible patchset | 21:30 |
| clarkb | mordred: fungi: notmyname: I don't have many good ideas. this came up in HKG when talking to MS folks | 21:30 |
| fungi | notmyname: right, having it schedule a (near-)immediate rerun would probably be easy to accomplish with minimal privileges | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | fungi: or even let anyone trigger it, but it only runs 2 times per every 10 minutes or something (in my mind, these are swift tests that swiftstack is hosting on a physical cluster in our lab) | 21:32 |
| clarkb | could we do something like the experimental queue in zuul | 21:32 |
| clarkb | where the backend listens for specific gerrit events and reports back on the cahnge generating that event? | 21:32 |
| clarkb | that would be human triggered | 21:33 |
| fungi | though it sounds like this is for tip-of-branch stuff rather than on proposed changes | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ya. for me, I want cluster testing on real hardware of a known config. I can't scale that for every patch proposal, so I think I'd need something to run periodically | 21:36 |
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| clarkb | perhaps you could run jobs on branch/ref updated events then leave comments on the change post merge? (I don't actually like that idea as it doesn't solve the problem of when to run well or the reporting problem) | 21:38 |
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| sdague | clarkb: jog0's holding this one on your sanity check - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55144/ | 21:50 |
| sdague | when you get a few | 21:51 |
| fungi | from what i've seen, nobody actually reads comments on closed changes post-merge | 21:51 |
| fungi | perhaps for very large values of nobody/very small values of somebody | 21:51 |
| fungi | but as a means of publication, it won't reach much of an audience | 21:52 |
| clarkb | sdague: lgtm, but what about the queries internal to e-r. should we update those too? | 21:52 |
| sdague | clarkb: probably | 21:54 |
| sdague | but I figured I'd clean those up in other refactoring once I'm unfogged from the flight | 21:54 |
| clarkb | sdague: wfm I will approve 55144 now | 21:54 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: update queries to new schema https://review.openstack.org/55144 | 21:57 |
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| fungi | heh... summit survey fail | 22:13 |
| fungi | "3. [...blah, blah, blah...] Please choose all that apply." | 22:14 |
| fungi | except... uh... it's a RADIO BUTTON | 22:14 |
| fungi | choose as many as you need, so long as you only need one | 22:15 |
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| ekarlso | are there plans to bump gerrit to latest soon ? | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update query for bug 1225664 https://review.openstack.org/55926 | 23:25 |
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| jog0 | clarkb sdague: can one of you review ^ | 23:26 |
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| jog0 | even though https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-elastic-recheck says I can review it myself I would prefer not to | 23:27 |
| clarkb | ekarlso: yes once we sort out WIP. there is one oustanding chamge to upstream that we need first | 23:27 |
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| clarkb | jog0 sure give me a minute | 23:27 |
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| clarkb | jog0: approved. are we running out of disk on the slaves? we can allocate more to swift/glance/cinder if necessary | 23:32 |
| clarkb | Ideally we would sort out why the disk is being used up though | 23:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update query for bug 1225664 https://review.openstack.org/55926 | 23:34 |
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| jog0 | clarkb: I think its the swift loopback device | 23:36 |
| jog0 | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/3418c1caa5c52fd9989e5829fda0848b4a8dfea7 | 23:36 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1225664 | 23:36 |
| jog0 | or at least that change didn't help | 23:36 |
| clarkb | interesting | 23:37 |
| clarkb | today has been such a weird day. Went grocery shopping, now fighting off a nap | 23:38 |
| jog0 | clarkb: ohh jetlag | 23:39 |
| notmyname | jog0: clarkb: what is the max object size setting in swift.conf? | 23:40 |
| notmyname | jog0: clarkb: then, look at the ring creation to see how many replicas are being used (IIRC, just one). | 23:41 |
| jog0 | notmyname: yeah just one | 23:41 |
| jog0 | notmyname: what is the config option name | 23:42 |
| jog0 | for max object size | 23:43 |
| sdague | jog0: so the output of elastic recheck summit session is self approving of individual query adds is socially acceptable | 23:43 |
| clarkb | devstack grabs values from the default configs provided by projects then overrides some of them with iniset, I would need to track down whether or not that is changed | 23:43 |
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| jog0 | sdague: yeah I am fine with that, just don't want to personally if I can help it | 23:43 |
| jog0 | I like having a second pair of eyes on my stuff | 23:43 |
| sdague | yep, fair, me too | 23:43 |
| sdague | but I realized you weren't in the room :) | 23:43 |
| sdague | so I should share | 23:44 |
| jog0 | sdague: thankfully the etherpad notes are fairly detailed | 23:44 |
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| jog0 | so I figured that one out, but thanks | 23:44 |
| clarkb | notmyname: jog0: looks like max_file_size? | 23:45 |
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| jog0 | notmyname: devstack doesn't touch any config option with the word 'max' in it | 23:45 |
| notmyname | jog0: oh, good. then it's trying to put 5GB files :-) | 23:46 |
| notmyname | jog0: clarkb: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/etc/swift.conf-sample#L24 | 23:46 |
| clarkb | notmyname: which should be fine right? | 23:46 |
| notmyname | jog0: clarkb: well, if you don't have 5GB on the target system, it's not. actually some small multiple of that to account for the test putting objects that size and right under it | 23:47 |
| jog0 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/51794/ | 23:47 |
| jog0 | notmyname: ^ is the bug we are seeing | 23:47 |
| clarkb | notmyname: so setting max_file_size to say 2GB would be safer? | 23:48 |
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| clarkb | or bumping the store to ~10GB? | 23:48 |
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| clarkb | FYI jenkinsci on github apparently had a derp. gearman-plugin repo there may have been affected | 23:54 |
| mordred | clarkb: aroo? | 23:54 |
| clarkb | mordred: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/jenkinsci-dev/force$20push/jenkinsci-dev/-myjRIPcVwU/mrwn8VkyXagJ | 23:55 |
| clarkb | they appear to be fixing it, but worth knowing should something pop up | 23:55 |
| clarkb | zaro: if you want more reasons why I think the whole github <-> gerrit thing is silly ^ | 23:56 |
| clarkb | zaro: I think that derp basically falls under what my existing argument is though. That it adds unnecessary complexity and confusion that results in problems :) | 23:56 |
| fungi | i think we've seen several changes bumping max_file_size already over the past year. the most recent one we shunted over to start managing that via the default in devstack rather than overriding it with devstack-gate config | 23:56 |
| notmyname | clarkb: what's the current setting? 1GB? so how has it ever been working? | 23:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: I don't think that is bumping max_file_size but bumping the backend store instead | 23:58 |
| clarkb | notmyname: 4GB is the backend size currently | 23:58 |
| clarkb | notmyname: I am assuming that tests run serially don't run into problems | 23:58 |
| clarkb | now with parallel tests we can hit swift with mutliple large requests concurrently which causes the failure | 23:58 |
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