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| openstackgerrit | Bill Maxwell proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Implements: Archive publisher allow-empty setting. https://review.openstack.org/62806 | 04:46 |
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| yfried | guys, I need help with this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55146 | 08:58 |
| yfried | It requires the neutron gate to have external connectivity and be able to ping www.google.com | 08:58 |
| yfried | Alternatively it should configure the gate's network's local dns. | 09:00 |
| yfried | can anyone please help me with this? | 09:00 |
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| jog0 | mordred: with regard to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-December/003850.html I think part of the answer is to give operators a place to file a bug (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-December/003954.html) | 19:24 |
| jog0 | mordred: what are your thoughts on allowing for bugs to be filed against openstack? And if yes, how soon can we start allowing it. | 19:24 |
| jog0 | lifeless: ^ your thoughts on this would be apprecated | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | jog0: hi | 19:57 |
| lifeless | jog0: I don't think filing bugs against 'openstack' is a particularly important aspect of the solution, because the bug tracker isn't [today, and unlikely even with storyboard] a good place for extended interactive discussions. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | A pattern that works fairly well in Ubuntu is peer support (e.g. on ask.o.o) with things identified as things to raise being raised by the more experienced peers | 20:01 |
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| jog0 | lifeless: hmm interesting | 20:02 |
| jog0 | from a quick glance at ask.o.o they are very specific issues, not the general operator issues that we are seeing | 20:02 |
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| jog0 | thats an interesting idea that ask.o.o is the place to do it though. | 20:03 |
| jog0 | so from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-December/003945.html it looks like there are a few categories of issues: | 20:08 |
| jog0 | Upgrading is difficult -- we are working on that | 20:09 |
| jog0 | no mechanism to auto restart VMs on other hypervisors -- not clear what this means but sounds like a bug or blueprint in the end. How we get there is the question | 20:09 |
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| jog0 | monitoring frameworks -- sounds like a great ask.o.o discussion | 20:09 |
| lifeless | so my point is more a forum thing | 20:10 |
| lifeless | if you want a broad set of inputs | 20:10 |
| lifeless | or do you want narrow targeted discussion | 20:10 |
| jog0 | both I htink | 20:10 |
| lifeless | generally you go from an experience / desire then iterate into narrow splintered discussions | 20:10 |
| jog0 | we want some braod things like monitoring frameworks | 20:10 |
| lifeless | 'I can't tell when things are going to break' | 20:10 |
| lifeless | -> monitoring | 20:11 |
| lifeless | -> alerting | 20:11 |
| lifeless | -> API changes tos upport that | 20:11 |
| lifeless | as a for instance | 20:11 |
| jog0 | I do like the idea of openstack for bugs for things like | 20:11 |
| jog0 | inconsistent options in command line tools and APIs | 20:11 |
| lifeless | I don't | 20:11 |
| lifeless | I don't think it helps get the work done | 20:12 |
| jog0 | no but lets say we want to fix that issue | 20:12 |
| jog0 | where do we start? | 20:12 |
| jog0 | I guess we can file a single bug against all Openstack projects | 20:12 |
| jog0 | which is better | 20:12 |
| jog0 | your right | 20:12 |
| lifeless | or even separate bugs | 20:12 |
| lifeless | since each project may have different deviations | 20:13 |
| lifeless | one could argue that at the start you don't know which projects are broken | 20:13 |
| lifeless | in which case I'd argue that there is a unit of work against each project to assess it's brokenness | 20:13 |
| jog0 | right | 20:13 |
| lifeless | and a bug somewhere like openstack-qa that we don't test for some standard | 20:13 |
| jog0 | so I think Tim's explination of what he wants is good: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-December/003945.html | 20:14 |
| jog0 | my only concern about using ask.o.o is there aren't enough developers on there and the operator discussions may get lost in some of the more focused questions | 20:15 |
| jog0 | both are fixable though | 20:15 |
| clarkb | fwiw a lot of the current things listed on that thread are very specific and should be submitted as bugs | 20:15 |
| lifeless | yup | 20:15 |
| lifeless | Launchpad bugs/blueprints are bad at handling unactionable bugs | 20:16 |
| lifeless | my point is to avoid that :) | 20:16 |
| jog0 | lifeless: I bring this general topic up because, I don't think having a operator summit for a few days twice a year is enough to fix this. the summits aren't enough for us to do all our planning -- same here | 20:16 |
| lifeless | I agree | 20:16 |
| lifeless | entirely | 20:16 |
| jog0 | lifeless: would you mind responding to the thread, with your idea. and I am also happy to spend some of my time working on these issues | 20:17 |
| jog0 | and I imagine many other devs would be happy to work on operator issues as well | 20:17 |
| clarkb | perhaps a specific topic on ask? iirc you can do that | 20:19 |
| jog0 | clarkb: yeah it looks like you can | 20:19 |
| clarkb | "operator feedback" | 20:20 |
| jog0 | ++ | 20:20 |
| jog0 | anyway back to the weekend for me | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | jog0: sure, btw i"m on leave until LCA | 20:42 |
| lifeless | jog0: NZ shutdown period is 23rd -> 3rd | 20:42 |
| clarkb | lifeless: technically for us as well (until the 2nd though iirc) | 20:43 |
| lifeless | so I'm going to be doing LCA prep | 20:43 |
| lifeless | and then trying to detach thoroughly | 20:43 |
| clarkb | though maybe the 30th and 31st aren't. I can't keep track and plan on prepping for my LCA thing too :) | 20:44 |
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| mikal | Oh hai! | 22:37 |
| mikal | jhesketh alleges there's a rpc api in zuul where I can ask questions about patchsets | 22:37 |
| mikal | Is there any documentation for that? | 22:37 |
| clarkb | mikal: http://ci.openstack.org/zuul/client.html | 22:38 |
| mikal | clarkb: ahhh, not 'zactly | 22:38 |
| mikal | clarkb: I have a turbo hipster plugin that is processing a job | 22:38 |
| mikal | clarkb: it needs to know more about the patchset than the job gives it | 22:39 |
| mikal | clarkb: so I'm doing an ssh to gerrit to get the details | 22:39 |
| mikal | clarkb: apparently there's a better way? | 22:39 |
| clarkb | mikal: you can probably write a zuul function to add parameters | 22:39 |
| mikal | clarkb: hmmm, but there's nothing trivial already done? | 22:39 |
| mikal | clarkb: I might stick with ssh for v1 then | 22:39 |
| clarkb | I don't think there is anything trivial already done | 22:40 |
| clarkb | what kind of information do you need? | 22:40 |
| mikal | clarkb: do you know off the top of your head how many positive reviews we do in a day? | 22:40 |
| clarkb | mikal: how many positive reviews from jenkins? | 22:40 |
| mikal | clarkb: this plugin takes patchsets with positive reviews, and checks how recent the jenkins run was. If the jenkins run is "stale" it rechecks the patchset. | 22:40 |
| mikal | clarkb: positive reviews from humans | 22:41 |
| clarkb | I do not know about positive reviews from humans | 22:41 |
| mikal | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022797.html | 22:41 |
| mikal | Is what prompted this | 22:41 |
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| clarkb | I don't think there is anything in zuul that would allow you to do that trivially. zuul does stuff based on events so we would need some sort of event to say "hey this thing is old please test it again" | 22:44 |
| mikal | clarkb: yeah, so I'm triggering on the positive review from human event, and then running checks | 22:44 |
| mikal | I worry that the load of the checks might hurt you guys | 22:44 |
| mikal | Which is why I ask about how many positive reviews you get in a day | 22:44 |
| clarkb | I wouldn't worry about it if we also filtered on last test date | 22:46 |
| mikal | ? | 22:47 |
| mikal | As in I can use last test date as a event filter in layout.yaml? | 22:47 |
| clarkb | no you can't | 22:47 |
| clarkb | :) but you may be able to implement that as part of a function | 22:47 |
| mikal | So, the problem is to get the last test date at the moment I ssh to gerrit. So there's gonna be a bunch of sshes | 22:48 |
| mikal | Ahhh, I see | 22:48 |
| clarkb | or | 22:48 |
| clarkb | and this is a big or | 22:48 |
| clarkb | we do nothing until we upgrade gerrit because gerrit will have cron jobby things for stuff like checking mergability | 22:48 |
| clarkb | the gerrit upgrade is actually moving now. But ran into trouble wit hteh review-dev DB | 22:49 |
| mikal | Oh, so it might be done in the next few days? | 22:49 |
| clarkb | mikal: well probably mid january at the earliest | 22:49 |
| clarkb | since holdiays and lca and stuff | 22:49 |
| mikal | Can't we cancel the holidays? | 22:49 |
| mikal | :P | 22:49 |
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| mikal | clarkb: do you think the cron job thing means I should just hold off on this zuul plugin? It sounds like it might be obsolete in a couple of weeks? | 22:57 |
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| clarkb | mikal: maybe, would need to look at what it does a little more closely | 23:02 |
| clarkb | I know upstream is using it find merge conflicts | 23:02 |
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